Isn’t it strange that I deny the existence of god with logic, but I cannot do the same, however illogical, to love.
ps> the thought is a borrowed one.
Oye queer, does this look like a philosophy forum to you, haiN?
Roman,
i know romans are still sore that greeks were better philosophers than them ;-)
but seriously, that quote was meant for the atheists..
It's much as a quote for a theist as it is for an antheist.
Oye, we Romans are rather grateful to Greeks for their contribution and influence in our history. :P
But coming to your quote, I would say Love is universally experienced emotion, God is not. Most of the people proclaim existence of God based on their beliefs and faith. For Love, they don't have to establish a belief to feel or experience it.
And that is not an illogical reason.
very nice! :)
but wouldnt you agree that many a time love gets pretty illogical? love doesnt usually happen with a reason - men often fall in love with women whom they know would never be faithful to them( and vice versa, thought not so often ;)). human nature often defies logic, so how can you expect God, which/who is expected to be an ocean of humanitarian feelings, to be explainable by logic? for all we know, God might not be anything like what we know - he might be like a different dimension, something we cannot percieve with our present senses, maybe logic aint all that great, maybe there are greater tools somewhere out there.
not that it can be considered a basis to believe in God, just that denying His existance might again mean committing to a narrow viewpoint, there is always a possibility.. i dunno..
Oye I thought you were talking about love in terms of humanity and coexistence of people with each other. What the heck romantic love got to do with it, haiN?
Anyway, even for romantic love, there is logic for it. What is an emotion anyway? What are feelings? They basically are neurotic impulses (don't hold me for it, I don't know shit about neurology... I'm only making things up as I'm going :P ) in contrast to logic which is basically a working of a more organized and specialized part of the brain for reasoning and rationality (and I don't know anyting about brain either).
The fact that those neurotic impulses exist is in itself a logical proof of them. However, logical course of action and maneuvers suggested by neurotic impulses may differ. And it's not always feasible to prove something logically. Human emotions and feeling offer important insights as well.
I said this few days back and would quote that
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I personally think that it can (existence of God, that is ) only be believed or not believed in. I don’t know if can be proved or diproved. And I think that’s how it should be looked upon. Some people believe in God, some don’t, it just simply how it is...
...it does not matter if God exists or not, what matters is if I believe (or can believe) he exists or not.
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Who said always to accept something out of logic anyway? There are times when you follow the impulses and be right as well. Whether it's love or God's existence (I won't take my words too seriously though :P ).
P.S. And there are always reasons behind falling in love as well, but ask the impules, not the logic.
Very well out there Roman.
Both of you guys have made good points in here. But I agree more with Roman. Its all about logic and love does not have any logic. It's totally two opposite things that are being compared here. Not the right things to compare here, but the bottom line remains that God Existence can only be reached at by a logical and a rational thinking. Otherwise, like the atheists, you will also be able to start believing in non-existence of amy higher diety.
Think of your brain, think of your heart, and think of how you were created by one sperm and one egg? This cannot be anything but a miracle of the Greatest (ALLAH).
In a world of Secularism, try religion for a change.
yikes! looks like i've managed to confuse myself! :)
but the bottom line remains that God Existence can only be reached at by a logical and a rational thinking.<
i somehow had the idea that the non-existance of God could be argued out logically.. i guess it depends a lot on what we can call "logic", too.
Think of your brain, think of your heart, and think of how you were created by one sperm and one egg? This cannot be anything but a miracle of the Greatest (ALLAH).<
Science offers a simple explanation - mitosis, if you want it in one word.
Roman,
you get them "neurotic" impulses often? ;-) careful, it's a very easy path from being a neurotic to being a psychotic and then mebbe a schizophrenic, hehe.. but i get your point.
'schizophrenic' sounds familiar :)
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Queer,
Your statement , is very interesting, but illogical...You are comparing apples with oranges.....
Let me give a brief definition of God(One of many , as god symbolizes very different things for different ppl).
God is a hypothetical entity, created to hold the meaning that we want to see in the world, but unable to see in the world around us.
Let me give an example....Its a common phenomenon , for alll of us not to be able to se the goodness in ppl we are angry at , and badness, of the ones close to us.....Its over idealization or devaluation to some degree. This is called splitting. God gets to be everything that we need but reality fails to offer. The more we are able to see the world in its completeness, the less is the need to create such a construct.( This is only part of what we use God for, it has many more factors of course)So it is NOT illogical.
I would have to come back for the Love part, cause it is bound to be lengthy....
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