a conversation in SS led me to ask..
if my God, your God and the third persons God is everywhere, and He sees and hears everything we do no matter where we are… then why does it matter if u pray to Him from a Masjid, Mandir or Church?
faith should come down to niyat not ur physical location.. should it not?
why create unnecessary borders?
Muslims can pray in a church if they dont find another location for praying. Though I am uncertain what the reception would be like if one tried this.
at the uni my bro went to.. theres a church and around the church there are several rooms.. and one of those rooms is given to muslims for prayer :) its a very spiritual place.. cus another room is for hindus to pray i think.. its just nice
Re: God is everywhere
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
a conversation in SS led me to ask..
if my God, your God and the third persons God is everywhere, and He sees and hears everything we do no matter where we are... then why does it matter if u pray to Him from a Masjid, Mandir or Church?
faith should come down to niyat not ur physical location.. should it not?
why create unnecessary borders?
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He is not just everywhere, He also knows all that goes on in the heart....
so why pray????
He knows whats in ur heart....
after all.... faith should come down to niyat not ur physical actions.. should it not?
Where does it say God is everywhere?
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He is not just everywhere, He also knows all that goes on in the heart....
so why pray????
He knows whats in ur heart....
after all.... faith should come down to niyat not ur physical actions.. should it not?
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yes... it does come down to niyat but the fact remains that if your Lord has ordered us to do something (let's use prayer as an example), then who are we to question it? after all, He created us, He put us where we are today without Him we'd be in loss, so rather than bring up minuscule stuff like this... do shukar!
futhermore, your niyat can only get you so far... your physical actions will get you even further!
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
a conversation in SS led me to ask..
if my God, your God and the third persons God is everywhere, and He sees and hears everything we do no matter where we are... then why does it matter if u pray to Him from a Masjid, Mandir or Church?
faith should come down to niyat not ur physical location.. should it not?
why create unnecessary borders?
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sadzz i truly believe in what you said. everyone knows that it is the truth but sadly no body follows it.
I go to churches, mazars, mandirs, shirnes, gurudwaras, jinalayas and every where i find that spiritual energy in myself.
As they say in india "Sabka malik ek"
thanks kaka :k:
a conversation i had lastnight with a few relos has left me totally disheartened.. i dont know what people are being taught these days… its all about hating the next religion.. if people would just concentrate on their own faith instead of worrying about another faith being wrong.. things would be a lot easier
Allah (SWT) is on His (SWT) Throne above the heavens. He (SWT) is present everywhere by His (SWT) Knowledge.
Hence, it would be wrong to state that He (SWT) is present everywhere (physically) as many claim that He (SWT) lives in our heart, etc. (Astaghfirullah).
Churches, maandirs and the like aren't places of worship for Muslims.
The masses that I've attended, the God prayed to is either in the form of the trinity or Jesus. So eventhough I have 'hail Mary' or "our father who art in heaven" memorized, I cannot bring myself to read them because in my heart I know it is not right :)
If you mean just going into an empty church, and praying your farz namaz because there is not other place then I personally don't see a problem with that. In hospitals, they have non-denominational prayer rooms where I've prayed numerous times.
yeah, this is what i meant :k:
To Saddiya,
It looks like that you are trying to limit Allah to a have a finite physical presence (sitting on the throne above the heavens). My question to you would be that if Allah (Naozobillah) has a finite physical presence then we should be to pinpoint his location somewhere in the universe. Can you prove from Holy Quran about a physical location of Allah somewhere in this universe?
My believe is that Allah has no limitations and thus is not bound by the physical laws of nature (these laws itself created by Allah). He cannot be limited to any dimension. What we know about God is that just as He is there on the heavens so He is there on the earth as well.
fatehahmad, hopefully the following will help you better understand what I was talking about.
Praise be to Allaah.
It is proven in the Qur’aan and Sunnah and by the consensus (ijmaa’) of the salaf (early generations) of this ummah that Allaah is above His heavens on His Throne, and that He is the Exalted, Most High. He is Above all things, and there is nothing that is above Him. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah it is He Who has created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them in six Days. Then He rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). You (mankind) have none, besides Him, as a Wali (protector or helper) or an intercessor. Will you not then remember (or receive admonition)?”
[al-Sajdah 32:4]
“Surely, your Lord is Allaah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things [Yoonus 10:3]
“To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it (i.e. the goodly words are not accepted by Allaah unless and until they are followed by good deeds) [Faatir 35:10]
“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him) [al-Hadeed 57:3]
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “You are the Most High and there is nothing above You…”
There are many similar ayaat and ahaadeeth. But at the same time, Allaah tells us that He is with His slaves wherever they are:
“Have you not seen that Allaah knows whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth? There is no Najwa (secret counsel) of three but He is their fourth (with His Knowledge, while He Himself is over the Throne, over the seventh heaven), — nor of five but He is their sixth (with His Knowledge), — nor of less than that or more but He is with them (with His Knowledge) wheresoever they may be” [al-Mujaadilah 58:7]
Allaah has combined mention of His being above His Throne with mention of His being with His slaves in one aayah, where He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose over (Istawaa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, and what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you (by His Knowledge) wheresoever you may be [al-Hadeed 57:4]
Saying that Allaah is with us does not mean that He is mixed with (or dwells in) His creation; rather He is with His slaves by His knowledge. He is above His Throne and nothing is hidden from Him of what they do. With regard to the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge)” [Qaaf 50:16]
- most of the mufassireen said that what is meant is that He is near by means of His angels whose task it is to record people’s deeds. And those who said that it means that He is near explained it as meaning that He is near by His knowledge, as is said concerning how He is with us.
This is the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, who affirm that Allaah is above His creation and that He is also with His slaves, and they state that He is far above dwelling in His created beings. With regard to the denial of all Divine attributes as voiced by the Jahamiyyah and their followers, they deny that His Essence is above His creatures and that He rose above His Throne, and they say that He is present in His Essence everywhere. We ask Allaah to guide the Muslims.
Source: Allaah is above His Throne and He is close to us by His Knowledge
Evidence that Allaah is exalted high above His creation and that He is above the heavens <<< Do read this as well.
I read the copy/pasted article, but I dont think it answered Fateh's question at all. Maybe the word 'above' has a higher meaning, not just pointing above to the sky. Remember, our knowledge about the universe, dimensions etc is very limited and nothing compared to the wisdom of Allah.
I think for a believer its helpful if he knows Allah is everywhere and knows everything that goes on, even the intentions of the person's heart, for this knoweledge would prevent him from committing sin.
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
a conversation in SS led me to ask..
if my God, your God and the third persons God is everywhere, and He sees and hears everything we do no matter where we are... then why does it matter if u pray to Him from a Masjid, Mandir or Church?
faith should come down to niyat not ur physical location.. should it not?
why create unnecessary borders?
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All you need to do is get some self respect. there is no need to humiliate your self by kneeling in front of some non-existing entity.
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum sis Sadiyah.
Jazakheeallaahu Khayr for the reply.
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Allah (SWT) is on His (SWT) Throne above the heavens. He (SWT) is present everywhere by His (SWT) Knowledge.
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I don't think it is right to say He Azza wa Jall is on His throne.
I never have heard any of the Predeccessors say so. We just say Istawaa over His Throne. We say He is above the Heavens. Above the Throne. And leave it at that.
At-Tawheed, my bad. Thanks for the correction.