God Bless America

Well said Umair... People fail to realize that guys like that Mollah Omer are strengthening the US even more by brainwashing freaks and potential mollahs like UKhalil etc... Its about time the Muslim youth start progressing towards the right direction...

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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
Give the guy a break!
Just remember it isn't the normal American citizens like you and me who is aiding Isreal but the government, no guppie in here is tough enough to stand up to what is going on in Palestine.
Just stay here in some message boards and talk trash about your enemies and do nothing when you go outside your house, what kind of Muslim are you.
Celebrating on deaths of 3000 people isn't going to stop the unfairness against Palestine, that would urge the americans want to take sides with Isreal more and more.
Just remember, if there was no September 11, there would be peace in Palestine rightnow.
Blame that Mulla SOB, who is responsible for this thing and all his followers even the people in Gupshup.
Everyone can talk to talk but no one can walk to walk.

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umair,

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ever heard of the hadith if you see anything wrong in front of you the best you can do is stop it with your hand, if you cant do that then stop with your tongue if you cant do that then stop with your mind!
so suddenly if we cant do anything to directly help the muslims around the world we r suddenly on these kafirs side?? as far as this is concerned at least ppl here are speaking up for what they believe is right, and not turning a blind eye on those suffering around the world!! (unlike certain individuals)

http://www.gupistan.com/gallery/1/freedom_swings.jpg

Oye!!! Bush kee na’jaez aulaad…

ye apnay baap ko khush karnay kay liyay lagaee hei??

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Can the mods please remove it

[This message has been edited by Shehzaada (edited April 24, 2002).]

First....there are good and bad in every community.

There are good Americans and there are bad Americans. Just as there are good Pakistanis and there are bad Pakistanis.

The only thing that is wrong with this thread is that Ali has intentionally posted inflammatory material. He wanted to see everyone jumping up and down screaming how wrong he is. Mission accomplished.

If he truly believes in what he says then he should/would step up to the plate and discuss with reasoning and logic. He would prove his point by supporting it with facts. He has not done this.

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Originally posted by Muzna:
**First....there are good and bad in every community.

There are good Americans and there are bad Americans. Just as there are good Pakistanis and there are bad Pakistanis.

The only thing that is wrong with this thread is that Ali has intentionally posted inflammatory material. He wanted to see everyone jumping up and down screaming how wrong he is. Mission accomplished.

If he truly believes in what he says then he should/would step up to the plate and discuss with reasoning and logic. He would prove his point by supporting it with facts. He has not done this.

**
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Agreed...I realized Ali wanted nothing but trouble as soon as i saw this post.

I also agree that there are good and bad americans. And for the most part the american public is not to blame. The government however is guilty as sin for massacring muslims and others worldwide.....

Muzna, I agree with you about good and bad being everywhere... but answer me this, why does Ali have to justify how he feels about his country? Everyone else here posts pictures of dead Palestinians or pak air force pictures, I find those offensive, but no one posting those pictures seems to justify their feelings towards their country/religion/beliefs... why the double standard?

I agree with Ali, God Bless America...

Great Post Ali !

Mind your language Shahzada, this is not the way to talk here… We seem to find this picture very funny. Watching osama hang like this would be more interesting than lewis vs Tyson!!

You however, can express your feelings in a rational manner, and YES, BEFORE RANTING, YOU SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT THIS PICTURE WAS ALREADY REMOVED WHEN YOU POSTED!!!ANKHEIN OPEN KAR POST KIYA KAR.

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[This message has been edited by Banda-e-Nake (edited April 23, 2002).]

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Originally posted by AliBeta:
*lol!
Just cant believe the ignorance surrounding gupshup! Lagay raho! I am really enjoying this! *

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SHARIM MUGGER TUM KO NAHIN ATTI
AFSOOS SUD AFSOOS HA TUMARI HALAT A'-ZAR PER

ahmed,

I didn't say that Ali has to justify his beliefs.

But if Ali does not want his beliefs discussed and potentially countered then Ali wouldn't post them.

Those people that post anti-American threads usually participate in the discussion and either substantiate their positions or simply state that this is my opinion and that's that.

They don't sit back and take thrills from watching reactions.

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Originally posted by AliBeta:
*lol!
Just cant believe the ignorance surrounding gupshup! Lagay raho! I am really enjoying this! *

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[This message has been edited by Muzna (edited April 23, 2002).]

Before making assumptions Muzna, the first thing you need to do is go back and check what has been going on this forum. I have discussed plenty with the Mullahs on this forum. Lekin kutay ki dun tharihi ki tairhi hi rahi hay.

Once again let me tell you what my point of view is! Alhamdullilah I am Muslim and Pakistan, but I love America because millions of people have been coming here to seek a better future. America is a melting pot forMuslims and many other religeons, ethnic backgrouds, culture. I love this country and certainly my belief is not going to change because it supports Isreal as this because of the presence of a very influential Jewish lobby in the US. It is too bad that majority of the Muslims are uneducated, illeterate and are in backward state and instead of influencing America they think SUICIDE BOMBING and TERRORISM is the answer to the opression towards them.

My Question to you is, IS THIS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES?

Well everyone has there own opinion and views about everything. What I dont get is the hypocrites over here, who live in West (Canada, continental Europe even the US) and then blame the US for supporting Isreal.

The ignorance that Canada and the European countries are not supporting Isreal is just sad! That is the reason I posted this!

I stand by my words! I fully support every decission made by the President Bush and General Pervaiz Mushrraf since after September 11th and think what actions he took were excellent. As terrorism is not what Islam teach and the roots of this menace should be removed. Even with the consequence of destroying 'Hamas' and other organizations.

May Allah bless Pakistan and the USA!

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Originally posted by Muzna:
**First....there are good and bad in every community.

There are good Americans and there are bad Americans. Just as there are good Pakistanis and there are bad Pakistanis.

The only thing that is wrong with this thread is that Ali has intentionally posted inflammatory material. He wanted to see everyone jumping up and down screaming how wrong he is. Mission accomplished.

If he truly believes in what he says then he should/would step up to the plate and discuss with reasoning and logic. He would prove his point by supporting it with facts. He has not done this.

**
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Originally posted by AliBeta:
**Before making assumptions Muzna, the first thing you need to do is go back and check what has been going on this forum. I have discussed plenty with the Mullahs on this forum. Lekin kutay ki dun tharihi ki tairhi hi rahi hay.

Once again let me tell you what my point of view is! Alhamdullilah I am Muslim and Pakistan, but I love America because millions of people have been coming here to seek a better future. America is a melting pot forMuslims and many other religeons, ethnic backgrouds, culture. I love this country and certainly my belief is not going to change because it supports Isreal as this because of the presence of a very influential Jewish lobby in the US. It is too bad that majority of the Muslims are uneducated, illeterate and are in backward state and instead of influencing America they think SUICIDE BOMBING and TERRORISM is the answer to the opression towards them.

My Question to you is, IS THIS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES?

Well everyone has there own opinion and views about everything. What I dont get is the hypocrites over here, who live in West (Canada, continental Europe even the US) and then blame the US for supporting Isreal.

The ignorance that Canada and the European countries are not supporting Isreal is just sad! That is the reason I posted this!

I stand by my words! I fully support every decission made by the President Bush and General Pervaiz Mushrraf since after September 11th and think what actions he took were excellent. As terrorism is not what Islam teach and the roots of this menace should be removed. Even with the consequence of destroying 'Hamas' and other organizations.

May Allah bless Pakistan and the USA!

**
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I have told you before...

DONT BRING ISLAM IN THIS

**
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Originally posted by militant:
**here are my two cents worth. make ur own conclusion about the influence of jews in america after reading the article. I first will quote an ayah form Quran:
The Meaning of The Noble Qur'an. Surah:5. Al-Ma'idah. Ayah 51

51.O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
**

Damn right... it clearly says not to be friends with jews and dont trust them, .. and like i said alibeta before, DO NOT BRING ISLAM! YOU'RE NOT EVEN FOLLOWING ONE BASIC RULE OF ISLAM AND YET YOU BRING ISLAM! FIRST OF ALL YOU FIX YOUR SELF UP THEN BRING ISLAM!

You're saying respecting other religions is a rule of islam yet and you're following that yet why wont you follow in this rule! God, I haven't met anyone in my life so far which supports america for its evil acts YET you're a muslim(or that's what you claim)

A true muslim would never go and support america. A country which has killed millions of muslims and yet america itself said its worth killing muslims!

Imagine if one of your relatives died in the american bombing? Would you suppport america then too? And if you still would, then I dont wanna hear it!

Damn right Islam teaches to respect other religions BUT that shouldn’t be coming out of your mouth! Dont even bring Islam in this cause you’re not even following the simple rules of Islam!

Does Islam teaches to go and support other countries who kill your own brothers? NO!

Does Islam teaches revenge? YES!

Does Islam says when a muslim is hurt, every muslim should feel the same pain? YES! And what are you doing? Supporting the country that’s the main cause for all of this.

Remember, you cannot change islam! You will have to change yourself!
Was the fact true that Israel Controls america? YES! But ignorants like you cannot take it since america has blinded you by it’s media and its propaganda.

So please dont bring Islam in this, you’re far BEHIND my friend. First follow some basic rules of islam then talk about it.

Second of all, you still haven’responded to my message and just showed you’re an ignorant by talking about your own arguements and yet ignoring what other people think!

Please, I wanna hear your respond to this!
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The surat you have posted Sailor, Subhanallah, Thanks alot my friend!
Bluebell and Quasimodo Thanks a lot for posting those pics!

So alibeta, you support those pictures? I bet you since you dont give a damn what happens to them, and who did this all? The country you support so much. The country which just wants to finish the islamic faith. Think about it my friend, you’re being blinded by american propaganda.

Use Ajee’s example, he was just like you and later he realized it’s all a propaganda.

You cant let yourself become like kuffars.
You can’t change Islam. You’re gonna have to change yourself.

Now you also disagree with the fact that Israel controls America.

Like Reza Khan said:

“Alibittay what else proof do u need tp confirm that israel controls america, when their leader themself says that his people do end of story.”**

Is that so hard to understand? And the above statement aint coming from my mouth. It’s coming from another muslim brother who knows what’s wrong and what’s right unlike you who is just simple blinded by the american media and the american propaganda.

If osama was in any other non-muslim, by god there was no way america would go and open bomb that country in the name of “terror”.

Alibeta, you also talk about humanity? That shouldn’t be coming from your mouth. You’re just a simple nutcase when you talk about humanity.

**Did USA did humanity in Afghanistan? Did USA did humanity in Iraq by killing 500,000 iraqi children and many more and also by banning any food/clothes going into iraq. So they can just starve and die. Is that humanity? Did USA did humanity when it gave his own weapons to Israel so they can go and kill more muslims? Man, you have no mercy for any muslim out there. You just have mercy for kuffars.

One more thing, Do you support The war on terrorism? If yes, then I’ll give you proof that this war is a fraud and yet that an UK’s second largest newspaper said this war is a fraud. I will give you a URL to that so you can go see that UK is saying and yet you’re a muslim supporting america.

So please do not talk about humanity cause you are making yourself look bad when you talk about humanity from that mouth of yours!

Please do not get offended by any of this and it’s time to FACE THE FACTS!

khuda hafiz

God Bless DEEN AL-HAQQ


"By Allah I long to escape the prison of my ego and lose myself in the mountains and deserts , these sad and lonely people tire me" ---Rumi

[quote]
Originally posted by UMAIR316:
Give the guy a break!
Just remember it isn't the normal American citizens like you and me who is aiding Isreal but the government, no guppie in here is tough enough to stand up to what is going on in Palestine.
Just stay here in some message boards and talk trash about your enemies and do nothing when you go outside your house, what kind of Muslim are you.
Celebrating on deaths of 3000 people isn't going to stop the unfairness against Palestine, that would urge the americans want to take sides with Isreal more and more.
Just remember, if there was no September 11, there would be peace in Palestine rightnow.
Blame that Mulla SOB, who is responsible for this thing and all his followers even the people in Gupshup.
Everyone can talk to talk but no one can walk to walk.

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i totally agree with u. wat r u going to get when u celebrate the death of 3000 ppl who weren't even related to israel. the normal ppl here in the US ALL r NOT supporting israel...wat did the ppl on the WTC have to do with israel or US supporting israel. People died here too and those were humans too who have a brother, a sister, a son, a mother. i am not supporting US or israel but you have to know tht these were also innocent people and all the regular ppl r not supporting this idea. the government takes action and these ppl HAVE to agree with them.


aTTiTuDeZ R coNtAgiOuZ....MiNe mITe KilL yOU

[This message has been edited by emaregemini (edited April 23, 2002).]

Kiddo!
Who are you to tell me if I am following basic principles of Islam! Would you mind showing my your documents where power is vested in you to judge someone's religeon!

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Originally posted by ukhalil11:
** I have told you before...

DONT BRING ISLAM IN THIS

**
[QUOTE]
Originally posted by militant:
**here are my two cents worth. make ur own conclusion about the influence of jews in america after reading the article. I first will quote an ayah form Quran:
The Meaning of The Noble Qur'an. Surah:5. Al-Ma'idah. Ayah 51

51.O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
**

Damn right... it clearly says not to be friends with jews and dont trust them, .. and like i said alibeta before, DO NOT BRING ISLAM! YOU'RE NOT EVEN FOLLOWING ONE BASIC RULE OF ISLAM AND YET YOU BRING ISLAM! FIRST OF ALL YOU FIX YOUR SELF UP THEN BRING ISLAM!

You're saying respecting other religions is a rule of islam yet and you're following that yet why wont you follow in this rule! God, I haven't met anyone in my life so far which supports america for its evil acts YET you're a muslim(or that's what you claim)

A true muslim would never go and support america. A country which has killed millions of muslims and yet america itself said its worth killing muslims!

Imagine if one of your relatives died in the american bombing? Would you suppport america then too? And if you still would, then I dont wanna hear it!

**
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Yes, "true Muslims" hijack planes and crash them into buildings.

"True Muslims" support killing innocents in the name of Jihad and war.

"True Muslims" give their kids bomb belts so they can blow themselevs up in a kafir cafe.

"True Muslims" kill their sister or mother if she is raped.

"True Muslims" charge blasphemy against kafirs and have them sentenced to death.

"True Muslims" stone women to death who have been raped.

"True Muslims" cut hands of theives trying to feed their poor family.

"True Muslims" are those who kill Muslims of other sects if they don't agree with them.

Thank Allah, I am not such a hypocrite "true Muslim"!

The evidence is overwhelming what these "true Muslims" really are all about.

True Muslims, wake up, before the fake "true Muslims" completely take your place.

Whoa suffering major anti-American blowback here

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In all fairness, most people hating America do have valid points in regards to their opinion towards American foreign policy.

However, a lot of that hatred is just pure jealousy by the Euros, Canadians, Middle Easterners, because of America’s economic and military strength.

As Muslims, we must clean our house first and yes that house is in diorder. When members of our Ummah are blowing themselves up, being persecuted, and are disunited.. it is because we are doing SOMEthing. How many times have I seen blind rhetoric and unnecessary arguments (like those here), when there is work to be done to make sure our children are being educated, our brothers/sisters in Islam are being supported and we are truly working to better ourselves. The biggest jihad is within oneself.

I would rather work on becoming a better Muslim, obtain a better education/place in society so that I can represent the true face of Islam-- one of a tolerant, progressive way of life.


The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.

excellent points Rajput fury!