I believe Mirza Ghalib said it all about God when he said:
Na tha kuch to Khuda tha kuch na hota to Khuda hota
When there was nothing there was God, and if there was nothing still the God will be there.
Daboya mujh ko hone nay na hota mein to kiya hota
I am doomed because I am but if I weren’t then the concept of God becomes meaningless.
Very true;
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your power and praise you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to appreciate you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your miracles.
So I think I know the purpose of my life, Is it me who is required for the God to be God. Anyways doesn’t matter either way isn’t it?
The earth is not standing still; it moves constantly (27:88).
The sun is a source of light, while the moon reflects it (10:5, 25:61, 71:16). 4. The proportion of oxygen diminishes as we climb towards the sky (6:125). 5. The "Big Bang Theory" is confirmed (21:30).
The "Expansion of the Universe Theory" is confirmed (51:47).
The universe started out as a gaseous mass (41:11).
Evolution is a fact; within a given species, evolution is a divinely guided process (21:30, 24:45, 32:7-9, 18:37, 15:28-29, 7:11, 71:13-14, Appendix 31). 9. The man's seminal fluid decides the baby's gender (53:45-46).
No Nonsense
Equally miraculous is the absence of any nonsense in the Quran. This is particularly significant in view of the dominance of ignorance and superstition at the time of revelation of the Quran. For example, the most respected exegesis among the traditional Muslims is that of Ibn Kathir. In this famous reference, written centuries after the Prophet, we read that the earth is carried on 40,000 horns of a giant bull, who stands on top of a giant whale (see Ibn Kathir's interpretation of Verse 68:1).
Equally miraculous is the absence of any nonsense in the Quran. This is particularly significant in view of the dominance of ignorance and superstition at the time of revelation of the Quran. For example, the most respected exegesis among the traditional Muslims is that of Ibn Kathir. In this famous reference, written centuries after the Prophet, we read that the earth is carried on 40,000 horns of a giant bull, who stands on top of a giant whale (see Ibn Kathir's interpretation of Verse 68:1).
what.... maybe you wanted to post this in my other thread.
Na tha kuch to Khuda tha kuch na hota to Khuda hota
When there was nothing there was God, and if there was nothing still the God will be there.
Daboya mujh ko hone nay na hota mein to kiya hota
I am doomed because I am but if I weren't then the concept of God becomes meaningless.
Very true;
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your power and praise you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to appreciate you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your miracles.
So I think I know the purpose of my life, Is it me who is required for the God to be God. Anyways doesn't matter either way isn't it?
Feeling very depressed.
Just some things I want to point out. The questions that you have raised are from the point of view of God, we can't possibly imagine how God thinks and we shouldn't try to do that. I mean we don't even know what He looks like. Although the questions that you have posed here can be backed up from the Quran and Hadith, it's best to post these verses and sayings here to back up what you are saying. Just to be safe.
Also, you quoted Mirza Ghalib. I've read that he used to drink, that makes me question his character. Think about it this way, Shaytaan most probably knows of Allah better than most people but he still is a Kaafir and we can't trust information from him. So, it's best to take information on these matters from trusted scholars instead of some random poets who may or may not be writing the Truth.
Na tha kuch to Khuda tha kuch na hota to Khuda hota
When there was nothing there was God, and if there was nothing still the God will be there.
Daboya mujh ko hone nay na hota mein to kiya hota
I am doomed because I am but if I weren't then the concept of God becomes meaningless.
Very true;
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your power and praise you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to appreciate you.
What is point of being God if nobody is there to see your miracles.
So I think I know the purpose of my life, Is it me who is required for the God to be God. Anyways doesn't matter either way isn't it?
Feeling very depressed.
He was ALLAH (The God) when there was nothing. He will be Allah when everyone has perished. He is eternal.
Man's a fool to believe that Allah needs him to appreciate His Godliness, and bigger fool to liken Allah to a human, and think that He'd have similar needs as man, just like we need someone to appreciate our power and position, Allah would need someone too.
and Allah is much greater than what a drunkard with a pen and good literary skills reckons Him to be.
Sorry to say Rocki you got the meaning wrong its not about not believing in God.
Let me try, What do you remember about God when you were not born yet? Let me guess, nothing. You became concious or aware of God only when you were born. So as far as you are not born presence or absence of God is meaning less. God becomes God only when a person is born not in a physical sense but when you become aware of God.
I think its generalization, every drinking guy is not a bad man. Just as all religious scholar are not fake, some of them have real knowledge. Almost all the useful inventions in our daily life are invented by drinking people or kafirs, should we stop using these inventions because the inventors are kafirs meaning shaitan is involved.
Man's a fool to believe that Allah needs him to appreciate His Godliness, and bigger fool to liken Allah to a human, and think that He'd have similar needs as man, just like we need someone to appreciate our power and position, Allah would need someone too.
and Allah is much greater than what a drunkard with a pen and good literary skills reckons Him to be.
Please read post # 11 to see what I was trying to say before drawing wrong conclusions.
you are right, just like every kafir isn't bad but that doesn't mean we take issues of religion from a kafir
and yes inventions are created by kafirs (alot of them), but the difference here is these inventions do not effect one's understanding of religion, i wouldn't listen to a kafir about how to worship God but I wouldn't mind going out and buying a car from one
you are comparing situations that are very different
Without humans, God may cease to be a god, but shall always remain Allah. Of what worth should I hold the bacteria on my skin...even IF they are in fact praising me?
Perhaps we shouldn't let our ego get the best of us...
i want to quote a verse from the Quran
"And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie." [6:116]
and we all know that philosophy basically is conjecture
Surah Akhlas: Allah’us Samad (Allah is independent of everything - ALlah beiniaaz hei!)
So, God does not need the birth of a human being in order to be his God. That is one of the qualities of Allah :swt:, i.e. He is As’Samad.
Perhaps, the birth of a human being is just another transition in his already continuing life, from just soul to embodiment in the form we see each other.
Another question: Why did God create humans in the first place?
Nevermind the part where God sees how we continually screw up (and that despite our supposed freewills).
What's the need for humans?
If we are unnecessary, then God did a needless thing.
If we are necessary, then for what necessity?