Goa - why?

What hostile action did Portugal take against India to warrant India’s invasion of Portugal and subsequent annexation of the city of Goa and its surrounding?

Or did India attack without provocation?

If India was willing to attack Portugal without provocation, should Pakistan fear that India will attack it even if Pakistan completely disarms so as to pose no threat?

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pray how did portugal sprout in the middle of the indian subcontinent? :hehe:

an artificially annexed colony is all it was while under portuguese rule, and with the british leaving india, it was only a matter of time before it merged with the rest of india like various other tiny dutch, french and portuguese colonies along the indian coast.

indian government made several attempts at diplomatic talks with portugal but were always turned down unceremoniously. goans in goa and outside were frustrated at the indian goverments soft stand. the portuguese killed a bunch of peaceful protestors in 1955 and that sealed the fate of the last portuguese colony on indian soil.

the final invasion in 1961 was swift and met with hardly any resistance from the portguese forces. indian forces were cheered in by the locals.

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Because portugal attacked a small kingdom called Bijapur, which was later extinguished by Aurengzeb.

But how does an Portuguese attack on a small Muslim ruled dictatorial sovereign kingdom in the 1500s count as a provocation against a democratic country formed from British-ruled parts of the Indian subcontinent in 1947?

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provocation is the wrong word, but i guess it does suit the spin you are trying to put on the whole goa story. :hehe:

to put it shortly, goa was nothing more than an important port-colony for the portguese for spice trade - in size, interest and investment. with the decline in colonial power and liberation of colonies, it was only a matter of time before goa got independence, and merged with the rest of india.

off topic, bijapur was by no means a small kingdom, whats goa is just a tiny fragment of what was bijapur. and when the portuguese conquered goa, bijapur was long gone, goa was part of the bahmani kingdom, which again was not small.

anyway, all you need is a map of india and to see where goa is. that should answer your questions. good luck buddy.

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I have asked this question to a Goan,long settled in US....Came here in mid 60's....according to him,Goans wanted to join India...It had nothing to do with Indian aggression...If the people of a state wants to be with some country/nation...you can't do anything about it..just like kashmir,chechnya & Palestine.

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So basically, because India believed that Goa should be part of India (or to rephrase it, Goa Banega Hindustan), and because India believed that Goans wanted to be part of India, it justified India's use of force to seize Goa by force simply because Portugal refused to hand over Goa?

My my ... what a slippery slope to go down. What if other countries were to feel the same about territory that India claimed and which India refused to talk about handing over?

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then they would futilely attempt to take that territory every few decades?

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I think you are just beating about the bush here…Pakistanis wanted to be free from India & Britain…so they got their independence…Goans wanted to be free from Portugal’s COLONIAL rule & had desires to be part of India(just like kashmiris for Pakistan)…so they joined India…

India had an excuse to be aggressor here only because Goans welcomed them…

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LOL

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If these countries think they have the support and backing of natives in these territories, they should do the same. :slight_smile:

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^ Yes China did the same for Arunachal Pradesh in 1962 & may do it again...at your convenience..

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err.. china did what in arunachal pradesh? :hehe:

always interested in “history” lessons from pakistanis,
queer

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Claimed Arunachal in its enterity…Love to give you lessons about your Desh :hehe:

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er right. nevermind that there was no arunachal pradesh in 1962. :hehe:

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Goa.:blush:

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Maddy I attributed better intelligence to you. Err was I mistaken. Do you sincerely believe that Goa was a part of Portugal. It was just a colony. It was only a matter of time before it merged with India.
If India had used force against the wishes of the Goans there would have been thousands of resistance forces and calls for liberation...

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You keep backing up my point. That Indians seem to believe that if a nation thinks that the people in a land controlled by another country want to become part of that nation, then the use of force to achieve it is legitimate.

But the hypocracy comes through, that if a nation next to India thinks that people in a land controlled by India want to join that nation, then Indians complain when force gets used.


Secondly, if it was only a matter of time before Goa joined India, why did force have to be used in 1961 instead of letting that matter of time run its course?

Regardless of what the people wanted, Goa was an internationally recognised part of Portugal. The attitude of India over Goa can be contrasted with that of China over Macao. Both countries had to face, at the time of becoming independent (India from Britain, China from Japanese military occupation and the civil war) Portuguese colonies in the middle of their coastlines.

India, being a consistently aggressive, belligerent nation gave up on peaceful means after a mere 15 years and attacked Portugal without any form of provocation in 1961.

China, on the other hand, constantly approached Portugal for nearly 40 years from 1949 to 1987. In 1987, China’s peaceful overtures were reward with the peaceful ceding of Macao to China, agreed to take place in 1999.

Peace takes time.. but India evidently did not have the patience for peace and instead chose unprovoked war.

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Goa was captured by the Portugese in 1500's and it had remained as a portugese colony till 196i after the Indian forces liberated it.

        To inspect Indian claims in to Goa,one should also look in to the fact that Goa is the land of the people of Konkin Brahmins or they were the aborigins of that place.These people had been thrown out of Goa soon after the Portugese had taken control of that land ,many of them were executed,forcefully converted to Christianity,many of the hundu temples were plundered including idols and other belongings and Goan people had been under oppression by the Portugese.

                  The great Kerala warrior(who was a muslim also),mariner,Kunjhali Marakkar,who was snared at Kozhikkode was taken to Goa and was beheaded publically by the portugese.After the independence,the Indian government had made several demands to the Portugese to evacuate from goa,which is undoubtedly a part of India,which is legally ,morally a part of India but the Indian cries were fallen in deaf ears.So in 1961 Indian government sent its troops to Goa, and after a small skirmishes in which 90-100 portugese soldiers lost their lives,it manages to free Goa.the arrival of the Indian forces was cheerfully welcomed by the local population and that ended the centuries old portugese rule in Goa.

Though Lisbon had disconnected all diplomatic ties with India soon after the war,it came back to India ,knowing that Indian action was completely legal and morally competent. :)

now both the countries enjoy a warm relationship but in Goa ,one can still see the remnants of the portugese rule in all aspects from culture to life.

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Despite seeing a few posts,I am happy seeing that many Pakistanis have started talking abt peace finally ,which is obviously a good sign.

 somebody who was happy to see terrorist attacks on Indian institutions has started talking abt peace and time.Good....

Now he will wait for another 12000 years for Kashmir :)

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What was legal about it? The only reason why India did not face a UN resolution against its invasion of Goa was because the Soviet Union vetoed it!

Portugal’s eventual acceptance of the Goa situation 13 years after India’s invasion of Portuguese land was an acknowledgement of the fact that Protugal lacked the resouces to take back Goa militarily and had a choice between accepting the situation or having no relations with India at all in perpetuity.