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*Report: Arctic Ice Shrinking Due to Global Warming
Wed August 13, 2003 09:03 AM ET *

OSLO (Reuters) - Global warming will melt most of the Arctic icecap in summertime by the end of the century, a report showed Wednesday.
The three-year international study indicated that ice around the North Pole had shrunk by 7.4 percent in the past 25 years with a record small summer coverage in September 2002.

“The summer ice cover in the Arctic may be reduced by 80 percent at the end of the 21st century,” said Norwegian Professor Ola Johannessen, the main author of the report funded by the European Commission.

The Arctic Barents Sea north of Russia and Norway could be free of ice even in winter by the end of the century, said Johannesssen, who works at the Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center in Norway.

“This will make it easier to explore for oil, it could open the Northern Sea Route (between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans),” he said of the report, dubbed the Arctic Ice Cover Simulation Experiment.

Moscow and Norway reckon the Barents Sea could be a promising new area for oil and gas. The Northern Sea passage could save shippers about 10 days on a trip from Japan to Europe compared to traveling through the Suez Canal.

Johannessen said that the report, published on the Internet ahead of peer review, also indicated that a recent thinning of the polar icecap was linked to human emissions of gases like carbon dioxide blamed for blanketing the planet.

But the study showed a thinning of the icecap from 1920-1940 was caused by natural climate fluctuations, such as ocean currents and winds, rather than by a build-up of greenhouse gases.

Johannessen said the new survey added to evidence of a gradual thinning of the icecap and gave firmer signs that human emissions, such as exhausts from cars and factories, were mainly to blame.

Climate experts say that polar areas are heating up more than other regions.

more and more such (alarming) insights are being published in recent times. How do you handle such threats to the Earth? do you really do something to help ur bit in preventing warming/polution etc? or do you think that these things will occur after 50 to 100 years, and by then most probably most of us will be dead?

insights? comments? heard of any latest development to prevent this?

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Nes, stop eating so much gobhi!

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^i think it’s the daal which causes extra gas production :hehe:

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maybe that gas can been used for good purposes??? compress it and use it as lighter-fuel :k:

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Oh, great, now we burn on Earth and in hell.

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keeping in mind that Holland is below sea-level, i fear for my beautiful country :(

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The reason little is done with global warming is because its scale is much larger then a current political nation-state system. That is it requires cooperation by more then one country and currently such a system does not work efficiently. Secondly the political systems are not linked to these issue cause they are long term effects. If this were gonna happen in 4 yrs you would suddenly see a strong pressure to figure out someway to fix it. At the moment the cost of doing the right thing is much more then not doing anything for most politicians.

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The reason little is done with global warming is because its scale is much larger then a current political nation-state system. That is it requires cooperation by more then one country and currently such a system does not work efficiently.
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Wait till the Khaliphate crowd hear this!

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*Originally posted by hmcq: *
The reason little is done with global warming is because its scale is much larger then a current political nation-state system. That is it requires cooperation by more then one country and currently such a system does not work efficiently. Secondly the political systems are not linked to these issue cause they are long term effects. If this were gonna happen in 4 yrs you would suddenly see a strong pressure to figure out someway to fix it. At the moment the cost of doing the right thing is much more then not doing anything for most politicians.
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last time I heard, the US was not member of the international organization against global warming. Abundant to say the US is the biggest 'poluter' of the world. In this respect ur right, that such things should come higher on the political agenda.

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Global warming doesn't seem to have had all that much of a negative effect in Britain - less cold winters and hotter summers which is hardly going to be seen as a major disaster in these parts. So what's the significance of Holland being below sea level? Does that mean the Dutch will be sinking like Atlantis soon?

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it's true about gas emissions,,
recently in western australia, environmentalists were protesting on some kind of food product given to animals(cows),, which results in cows emmiting gas,, which is harmful for the ozone layer... hmmmm...
they had a special name for the 'gas' but i forgot..

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I've been hearing this since I was in grade 7. I dont see any city sinking 10 yrz later. I mean facts that time were different, 2day they r different. The ozone hole growing larger & all da greenhouse gases escaping.......when it all happens, I'm pretty much sure, it will be armaggeddon.

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Does that mean the Dutch will be sinking like Atlantis soon?
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yes, as a matter of fact 75% of Holland is below sealevel, and almost the whole of its industrial and economic heart (the Randstand) is below sealevel. If the waterlevel keeps on rising, we will have problems keeping the water outside. Only recently some dams broke and a few parts went underwater: although not alarming yet, this can mean big trouble in future.

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Although there is alot of pollution and unnecessary dumping of waste etc....which is all extremely unhealthy for the environment, there is no evidence to proove that this will result in some kind of apocalyptic ice age etc..which is what would happen if all the sea levels started to rise....

In fact the temperatures now are less than the extremely long heat wave that europe had in the middle ages, when vinyards could be found as far north as scotland-and I am pretty much sure that no cars were dirtying the atmosphere back then.
In the 1900s too....there was a heatwave which potentailly far exceeded what Europe has seen recently.....
Although we should do our best to reduce pullution and the such, we should keep it all in prospective. No-one of your countries is about to drown in the near future.
You have my word.

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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
Although there is alot of pollution and unnecessary dumping of waste etc....which is all extremely unhealthy for the environment, there is no evidence to proove that this will result in some kind of apocalyptic ice age etc..which is what would happen if all the sea levels started to rise....

In fact the temperatures now are less than the extremely long heat wave that europe had in the middle ages, when vinyards could be found as far north as scotland-and I am pretty much sure that no cars were dirtying the atmosphere back then.
In the 1900s too....there was a heatwave which potentailly far exceeded what Europe has seen recently.....
Although we should do our best to reduce pullution and the such, we should keep it all in prospective. No-one of your countries is about to drown in the near future.
You have my word.
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that's the whole discussion. Is the change in weather that we experienced in the last decade due to climatological changes or environmental pollution. The speed with which these changes are taking place indicates more towards the latter.

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Even if it's proven that there is no such thing as global warming, etc.. does that make it OK or somehow tolerable to pollute in the name of economic progress??

In other words, those who argue against environmental protection, even if not lacking in scientific truth, are morally bankrupt.

But what about those peasants in China, right? Without factory work they wouldn't be able to enjoy a modern life?
Who says you need modern crap to enjoy life?

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I don't think we have much of an impact on global cyclicity and even if we do, we’re part of the biosphere, so how can anything we do be deemed to be wrong. Do you question why cows pass so much gas, they add vast quantities of methane (a greenhouse) gas to the atmosphere?

In the great scheme of things anthropogenic effects are small-scale and ‘natural’.