GLOBAL ECONOMIC RECESSION

Dear All!

I am not much of an economist and thats why I need some answres. Please can anybody enlighten me as to the cause/causes of the Economic Recession / Depression on a global scale?

  1. Is it becuase of Interest Based Banking?

  2. Is it affecting only Capitalistic countries?

  3. Is it also because of Al-Qaida / Terrorism?

  4. Is it something to do with American invovement in Iraq / Afghanistan?

  5. Is it becuase of Oil / Gold price hike and vice versa?

  6. Are the communist countries being spared or not?

Regards for all!

Like you, I am not an economist either, but I can give it a shot :)

Current bust in lending market is because of interest based financing as people borrowed to buy properties (sometimes additional/investment) on ARM on speculation of value appreciation. ARM rate shot up in last few months (years?) which made affording of houses more and more difficult resulting in more bankruptcies. This resulted real-estate values in a free-fall, banks were unable to recover their money by selling those houses. Banks faced bankruptcies. So yeah, this bust is result of interest-based financing IMO.

I think it would affect countries wherever real-estate financing took place in the above-mentioned fashion.

I don't think so, but "real estate pricing inflation" has not been "investigated" completely yet :D

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1. Is it becuase of Interest Based Banking?
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it is not because of interest base banking but it is because of abuse of interest base banking and greed. (subprime mortgage) ppl who cant afford to buy houses and have bad credit were given mortgages on 0 dollar down payment for 40 ye?ar period. (one of the probs)

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2. Is it affecting only Capitalistic countries
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NOP its affecting the whole world. china (communist country) is the biggest exporter to USA but there r not enough buyers in USA now and china is loosing revenue cuz of that, and china's is the worlds biggest lender of money, who is it lend in bad economy?
Cuba (communist country again) get most of the tourists from north america, ppl dont have enough money to go for vacation, and even if they have they r scared to spend it.

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3. Is it also because of Al-Qaida / Terrorism?
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No way. its all greed and mismanagement.

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4. Is it something to do with American invovement in Iraq / Afghanistan?
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Not really but the billions of dollars they r spending in Iraq should have spent to improve their own economy and for the welfare of americans .

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5. Is it becuase of Oil / Gold price hike and vice versa?
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It is opposite. oil and gold priced hiked cuz of global recession. ppl out of fear took out money from financial markets and invested in oil and gold thinking of em as safe heavens.

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6. Are the communist countries being spared or not?
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as i wrote in question 2 its not just for capitalist countries, its for the whole world, even the emerging and communist markets. its a global village now, dependent on each other.
and i also gave example of china and cuba.

i hope i was able to explain it.

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^ Respected ehtasab and EcoShan, a big bundle of thanks for you very kind input on the subject.

Thanks once again.

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anytime bro

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We should be talking about depression now not recession.

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^ Edited as desired, Sir.

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let me explain the difference between recession and depression in layman's term. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose your job.

U wont see one insha allah.

So banks/financial institutions going bankrupt is not happening in China/Cuba though, correct? Besides, China is probably not as much "communist" now, they have adapted "capitalism" to an extent IMO.

Don't you think real investors would know that in "recession" oil demand would go down?

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^^ bro m sorry m very dumb and cant really understand that ur questions are sarcastic or u r asking for the sake of knowledge, in either case i will answer to be best of my ability, and if they are sarcastic i will be embarrased, or even if they are rhetoric.

i hope u r not doing for the sake of argument.

so here i go.

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So banks/financial institutions going bankrupt is not happening in China/Cuba though, correct? Besides, China is probably not as much "communist" now, they have adapted "capitalism" to an extent IMO.

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The question was is only capital states are gona suffer or communist aswell, and my answer was big NO, i also gave reasons for that. there is no TRUE communist state on the face of the earth in the current times so which states are close to communism? obviously China and Cuba, i dono of any third one, might they exist but i dono. and yes chinese banks are also suffering but i dono of any bank going bankrupt in canada, i might be wrong but i never miss the news but still i dont know of a single bank going bankrupt over there. but still there industry and financial markets are suffering cuz they are biggest exporters and lenders to the USA. And i really salute chinese economists cuz they passed the same bailout plan in February that USA just passed few weeks ago, they predicted the future right. and Cuban banks, i dont really follow, so i don wana tell u something wrong but it is a fact that the whole world is gona suffer no matter they are communist or capitalist.

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Don't you think real investors would know that in "recession" oil demand would go down?

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hmm i dono wat u mean by "real investor" is there any fake investor aswell?? there are always buyers and sellers in the market and both are called investors, now when oil made its all time high at 148.75 this year there were many investors selling and buy it, and when it came down they guys who sold it made money and the guys who bought it prolly sent there portfolio into the negative territory. now both were professional investors doing trading for there living, which ones were real? ofcourse both of em, but at that particular moment who had the right judgment won the cake. and there are always ppl with two diffrent point of views in the market, thats how it is working, and both are real, and both think in the opposite direction. if both have the same analysis there would just either buyers or sellers.

Leme also add, 6 months ago noone even could think that dow would drop to 8000 zone and S&P 500 into 800 zone, noone could, even warren buffet said few months ago that USA is not gona go into recession, we r doing well. so ur queston that dont "real investors" know that in recession oil demand would go down. so my answer is:

when oil and gold prices hiked, no sane guy thought that crisis are gona be this deep, the general predictions amongst the investors were that its gona be a slight financial crisis thats gona end in the late 2008 or early 2009, and in cuz of that dollar started falling, and the rule of thumb is when dollar falls buy gold and oil, and ppl did, i myself made a fortune outa gold,i bought at 850 and sold at 965. then bought again at 925 sold at 950. then bought again at 790 and sold at 913 (i never invest in oil cuz its too volatile for my pocket).
and in the same period of time china and india were consuming an insane amount of crude oil, that gave speculators a reason to take advantage of a demand supply thing which also caused the oil to go up, and saudi arabia also said its not gona increase the production.
and then israel said its gona attack iran's oil fields, it also caused the oil to go up.

and continous attacks at the oil pipe lines in nigera caused it to go up

attitude of venezeula's president also caused it to go up

and then last but not the least, the hurricans.

yeah so doesn matter u r an analyst or an investor, the general analysis was that oil was gona go upto $200 dollar a barrell. so no "real investor" could tell that oil was gona drop so rapidly.

and m still stuck to my point that we didn go into recession cuz of oil and gold prices hike, infact oil and gold went up cuz of recession.

i hope m not too confusing but m dumb, so please accept my apology if i couldnt understand ur questions, u can ask em again and i would be more than happy to answer u cuz i do it for living.

Nothing sarcastic, my questions are for knowledge/discussion, thanks for detailed reply :)

I agree the question was "affecting capitalist countries only", I probably mistook the question and thought of it as "banks bust in capitalist countries only".

I completely understand why countries trading with US (or other "bank-bust suffering economies") will also suffer.

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hmm i dono wat u mean by "real investor" is there any fake investor aswell?? there are always buyers and sellers in the market and both are called investors, now when oil made its all time high at 148.75 this year there were many investors selling and buy it, and when it came down they guys who sold it made money and the guys who bought it prolly sent there portfolio into the negative territory. now both were professional investors doing trading for there living, which ones were real? ofcourse both of em, but at that particular moment who had the right judgment won the cake. and there are always ppl with two diffrent point of views in the market, thats how it is working, and both are real, and both think in the opposite direction. if both have the same analysis there would just either buyers or sellers.
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haha, I refer to people who sorta blindly "invest" in a rising market as "gambler" instead of "investor". In Pakistan common man started to "invest" when markets were going up as "your money will get doubled in no time" and they started buying shares but when market tumbled they ransacked stock markets..... "investors" don't do that, gamblers do.

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i hope m not too confusing but m dumb, so please accept my apology if i couldnt understand ur questions, u can ask em again and i would be more than happy to answer u cuz i do it for living.
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Thanks for your reply and no you are not dumb :)

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haha, I refer to people who sorta blindly "invest" in a rising market as "gambler" instead of "investor". In Pakistan common man started to "invest" when markets were going up as "your money will get doubled in no time" and they started buying shares but when market tumbled they ransacked stock markets..... "investors" don't do that, gamblers do.

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lolzz my chachu also gambled in karachi stock exchange lol , he is an army officer and doesnt know even a bit about trading lol, he lost everything that he saved for the wedding of his kids.

thats wat i always tell ppl that done get too stupid to invest ur savings specially if u havent done the proper training and practice, and if u wana waste money, then only waste the extra money u got, not the savings

There are many sad stories like that, my own friend got 'handshake' out of one of govt orgs and invested all his 'golden' money there and now talks about committing suicide!

Anyway, I think these are the types of investors who become fuel to a markets fire (going upwards) and they are the ones who contributed to oil prices surge as well.

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yup i do agree

Yeah probably not in Canada but definitely in US.

but you are!

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:D, good one!

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