So while few would confuse me for a fan of India, even I was offended by this racist rant from the master of Douche Bagery, Glen Beck himself! Enjoy !
He says Mumbai clinic in Punjab…
Thats the least of his errors… He apparently doesn’t know that a good portion of Americas docs are Foreign Medical Graduates. Countries many havent even heard off, with reputations far worse the India’s.
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
Copenhagen is country? lol
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
I'm surprised he has so many listeners and I can bet most of his followers are racist skin heads who don't like the "foreigners". I'm surprised Indian community is not bothered by this.
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
dude knows he has to appeal to a specific demographic, and that demographic is happy in its ignorance so keep feeding that ignorance, keep making them feel that they know more than others :D and laugh all the way to the bank.
India and China are easy targets due to the offshoring of manufacturing and support functions.
so Glenn laughs all his way to the bank, India is not really affected because who cares what an ignorant segment here thinks, as if they can change ground realities anyways. India laughs all the way to the bank benefitting from its well deserved position, who is the loser ... the same viewers whose frenzy glenn beck is feeding.
Let them simmer in their own ignorance, xenophobic and jingoistic mindset.
Thats the least of his errors... He apparently doesn't know that a good portion of Americas docs are Foreign Medical Graduates. Countries many havent even heard off, with reputations far worse the India's.
AFAIAC not to confound my self as even a fan of Glenn Beck, but he still seems to make great deal of sense in this particular video ---------- for the first time though ---------- other than that, I would still consider him an ultimate schmuck.
Now getting to the main point, since he(Glenn Beck) was talking in reference to the American Healthcare System, before a wise analysis can be made here the cause and effect and the opportunity cost of attending the Med School in the U.S. must be taken under consideration.
An average student pursuing an MD degree in the U.S. falls under financial obligations of a whopping $250,000 to $350,000 i.e just to break even, not to mention eight to ten years of their lives spent on education, on the top of that if specialization is needed which of course has become a necessity just to stay competitive in the market place ---------- if one decides to go the specialization route ---------- which most people do ---------- another one to seven years of hard work and countless dollars are needed depending on the track chosen.
The U.S. Produces approximately fifty four thousand MDs per year ---------- now as far as IMGs are concerned most of them are not even able to pass USMLE part one, for years and eventually drop out to work blue collar or in some cases even odd jobs ---------- the remaining ones who are able to somehow pass all USMLEs can only work as either general physicians or pediatricians within the United States and that is the Law of the land.
People who reach out to an extent of taking out such huge amounts of loans and spending long periods of their lives would definitely have a right to recover their initial investments plus the long term profits ---------- don't they????? If they do not want to work for peanuts like Indian Doctors they would be righteous and justified to chose not to do so and should not be forced to do otherwise ---------- now should they????.
Within the past decade in order to gain access to the U.S. and European markets India has embarked on a liquidation strategy, it has been somewhat successful in the domain of the IT, but I don't see it happening to the realm of the healthcare ---------- of course it is my personal opinion and I could be wrong.
I neither know the cost of education in India nor am I interested in finding out.
Nuff said!
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
^^^ What are you talking about? You can't go in hospital in the US and not find an Indian doctor and many of these doctors are foreign graduates. Glen Beck is a racist schmuck.
^^^ What are you talking about? You can't go in hospital in the US and not find an Indian doctor and many of these doctors are foreign graduates. Glen Beck is a racist schmuck.
Absolutely true I would categorically agree with you on Glenn Beck being a schmuck as a matter of fact my opening sentence clearly states the idea!!!!!
As far as IMGs are concerned sure there has been a certain ratio of them working within United States for a long time but, you seem to be a little bewildered here ----- may be I was not articulate enough to convey my message across ----- it is not about IMGs or USMGs any more ----- it is about stealing jobs from U.S. workers ----- yesterday it was IT ----- today it is Healthcare ----- what's tomorrow?
Nuff said!
Peace.
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
US healthcare spending is numero uno
results however paint a different story.
and as far as stealing healthcare jobs stuff, there is a lot of hue and cry about shortage of doctors in US.
last time I checked US was not a third world country that had no ability to sort a shortage out that persists decade after decade.
as far as offshoring of healthcare jobs, already started..will continue, and its going to be insurance companies that will drive hospitals to find cheaper options to do work that can be done remotely.
as far as the whopping costs of medical education, sorry, if it can be delivered for cheaper in other countries then it can be done here too.
Sure enough the U.S. Healthcare system absolutely contains feature that mars its perfection but, there is absolutely no analogous relationship between U.S. and Indian healthcare systems thus status quo of Indian Healthcare System must not be considered a quid pro quo to U.S. Healthcare System.
Certainly there is not only a big shortage of doctors at present but it is also going to get worst within next decade or so especially when baby boomers get around to getting up for retirement, it is somewhat true that this shortage has been self created to control the healthcare industry but, that's a totally different ballgame which is beyond the scope of this thread.
, it is somewhat true that this shortage has been self created to control the healthcare industry but, that's a totally different ballgame which is beyond the scope of this thread.
it is an overlapping issue, because this manufactured shortage is creating pressure to find other eays to meet demand, and this demand is only going to increase due to demographics, and access to healthcare for more people in near future.
so if there is a shortage then there are only 3 ways to handle that shortage, and I am not talking healthcare specifically, but anything
1) increase capacity organically...and of course increasing capacity will in future generate pressure on US physicians salaries, you have to make infrastructure investments ike have more facilities or increase capacity of existing programs to graduate more docs..etc etc
2a) increase capacity inorganically- by importing practitioners
2b) increase capacity inorganically- by outsourcing/offshoring jobs e.g. for some radiologists
3) have nurse practitioners and medical assistants handle more routine stuff, like we now see at CVS pharmacies where for simple stuff like cough, flu, ear and eye infections, the nurse practitioner can see a patient
of course we also have option 4, which is to do nothing and let it be.
lastly while status of US Vs. India can not be considered quid pro quo, there is no harm in learning from what has worked in other places and what has not rather than discounting it wholesale.
AFAIAC not to confound my self as even a fan of Glenn Beck, but he still seems to make great deal of sense in this particular video ---------- for the first time though ---------- other than that, I would still consider him an ultimate schmuck.
Now getting to the main point, since he(Glenn Beck) was talking in reference to the American Healthcare System, before a wise analysis can be made here the cause and effect and the opportunity cost of attending the Med School in the U.S. must be taken under consideration.
An average student pursuing an MD degree in the U.S. falls under financial obligations of a whopping $250,000 to $350,000 i.e just to break even, not to mention eight to ten years of their lives spent on education, on the top of that if specialization is needed which of course has become a necessity just to stay competitive in the market place ---------- if one decides to go the specialization route ---------- which most people do ---------- another one to seven years of hard work and countless dollars are needed depending on the track chosen.
The U.S. Produces approximately fifty four thousand MDs per year ---------- now as far as IMGs are concerned most of them are not even able to pass USMLE part one, for years and eventually drop out to work blue collar or in some cases even odd jobs ---------- the remaining ones who are able to somehow pass all USMLEs can only work as either general physicians or pediatricians within the United States and that is the Law of the land.
People who reach out to an extent of taking out such huge amounts of loans and spending long periods of their lives would definitely have a right to recover their initial investments plus the long term profits ---------- don't they????? If they do not want to work for peanuts like Indian Doctors they would be righteous and justified to chose not to do so and should not be forced to do otherwise ---------- now should they????.
Within the past decade in order to gain access to the U.S. and European markets India has embarked on a liquidation strategy, it has been somewhat successful in the domain of the IT, but I don't see it happening to the realm of the healthcare ---------- of course it is my personal opinion and I could be wrong.
I neither know the cost of education in India nor am I interested in finding out.
Nuff said!
Im a foreign med grad myself and I know a number of people who graduated on their first atempt with above 90 grades. One student I know personally scored a 98. Aother recent Indian graduate scored a 96 on Step 1 and a 99 Step 2.
I know students from Pakistan who aced their boards and got residency with ease.
The 1st time pass rate for FMG's according to statistics is less then that of US students, but not considerably.
And much of the time its due to problems with English being a second language.
My experience is that at the end of the day, FMG's are as qualified and knowledgeable as most US students.
In fact, I would go so far as to say that direct clinical experience of many of these foreign students is on par or better then most US students. Consider the fact that developing countries being as they are, allow students far greater direct contact with patients then at US hospitals.
Absolutely true I would categorically agree with you on Glenn Beck being a schmuck as a matter of fact my opening sentence clearly states the idea!!!!!
As far as IMGs are concerned sure there has been a certain ratio of them working within United States for a long time but, you seem to be a little bewildered here ----- may be I was not articulate enough to convey my message across ----- it is not about IMGs or USMGs any more ----- it is about stealing jobs from U.S. workers ----- yesterday it was IT ----- today it is Healthcare ----- what's tomorrow?
Nuff said!
Peace.
Many of those so called FMG's stealing jobs, are American citizens themselves!
Many of these Caribbean med schools get their bread and butter from American students.
Im an American citizen myself, as were most of my class. In fact, most of the people I know who are currently in residency and went to FMS's are all, and always have been American citizens.
Residency programs actually look for two things these days more then anything else when you are a FMG. You Step 1 and 2 grades, and your VESA STATUS!
Hospitals dont just give jobs away.
And there is one over arching reason why Americans go to these foreign schools... THEY ARE CHEAP!
These arent non US citizen meds sneaking across the border, these are red blooded Americans crossing the border the opposite direction...:)
And Beck isnt attacking the premise that jobs are being lost to foreigners, he is defending his talking point. He is told by his FOX executive masters to support a talking point and he will do his utmost to do so... American health care is apparently the best in the world, and all he has to defend his BS is denigrating Indian medical system, and by extension, all FMG's. He obviously doesnt know any of the facts regarding FMGs in the US. I wouldnt be surprised if the docs who treated him for his Hemorrhoids a few years ago, themselves werent FMGs.
^^^ What are you talking about? You can't go in hospital in the US and not find an Indian doctor and many of these doctors are foreign graduates. Glen Beck is a racist schmuck.
Right on!
Right on!
Yeah tell that to the Aussies!!
Many of those so called FMG's stealing jobs, are American citizens themselves! Many of these Caribbean med schools get their bread and butter from American students.
Im an American citizen myself, as were most of my class. In fact, most of the people I know who are currently in residency and went to FMS's are all, and always have been American citizens.
Residency programs actually look for two things these days more then anything else when you are a FMG. You Step 1 and 2 grades, and your VESA STATUS! Hospitals dont just give jobs away.
And there is one over arching reason why Americans go to these foreign schools... THEY ARE CHEAP! These arent non US citizen meds sneaking across the border, these are red blooded Americans crossing the border the opposite direction...:)
And Beck isnt attacking the premise that jobs are being lost to foreigners, he is defending his talking point. He is told by his FOX executive masters to support a talking point and he will do his utmost to do so... American health care is apparently the best in the world, and all he has to defend his BS is denigrating Indian medical system, and by extension, all FMG's. He obviously doesnt know any of the facts regarding FMGs in the US. I wouldnt be surprised if the docs who treated him for his Hemorrhoids a few years ago, themselves werent FMGs.
**Set aside Glenn Beck, his needless and uninvited, racist and bias remarks against whole nation of India ----- absolutely rubbish.* *
Sure as shooting, most Americans, and, or immigrants, who attain medical education abroad as compare to people attending Med schools at home are not only equally witty, adroitly impressive and strikingly competent but also in some cases proven better. There are many outstanding Med Schools all across the globe ----- which, not only have strove for being competitive with U.S. Med schools for decades but also continue to make strenuous efforts to be the finest of the finest, in spite of being at their best for their state of the art ways to impart knowledge and skills and excellent modus oper-andi these schools are also relatively cheaper as compared to Med Schools within United States.
There seem to be a little jumble that is perhaps taking us adrift and off course from the gist of the argument here, as I have previously mentioned in my posts that it is neither about IMGs and USMGs nor Glenn Beck and his racist views and nor about India for that matter, but essence of this discussion is offshore outsourcing US jobs.
I do not mean to be disrespectful here but let me ask you an honest question, since you are a Med School graduate, you have obviously worked very hard and spent loads of dollars to get where you are right now, after so many years of hard work and taking such a huge pecuniary burden ----- would you want your patients to go abroad to get medical treatment regardless of financial aspects of these actions and the quality of the service they get ----- I would assume that you would not, but please correct me by all means if I am wrong here ----- and that's exactly I was referring to in my earlier posts.
I would not consider overwhelming majority of Americans going to India or any other country for medical treatment but certainly there are some who would go to these countries completely overlooking the risks factors involved and without having to consider the opportunity cost that needs to be paid in the future.
Offshore outsourcing was thought to be America's ultimate competitive advantage in the past, but it has proven to be a grave challenge today, after trying to beat each other in the contest of speed that led to the knee jerk acceptance to offshore outsourcing by corporate America ----- just to save few dollars ----- America has experienced a huge setback in manufacturing sector where 2.7 million jobs have been lost since 2000, IT industries which is defined to include four major segments 1) Computer Hardware, 2) Communications Equipment 3) Communications Services 4) Software and Computer Services have been the hardest hit since early 2000s where 14 million U.S. jobs were at risk of being exporting over the next 15 years and guess what ----- these jobs are gone ----- just for the IT industries from $800 billion to $900 billion in wages each year have already moved offshore.
Banks, insurance companies, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, airlines, utility providers and many more are among the corporations that offshore outsource American jobs such as data entry, call centers telemarketing, accounting, human resources and help desk.
Major U.S. corporations such as Bank of America, Dell, American Express, Citicorp, Chrysler, IBM, Oracle, Delta Air Lines and many more have thousands of employes in India, Philippines, China, Russia, Ireland, Israel, Poland, Malaysia and even Canada, thus the bottom line is that the loss of our manufacturing, services and IT jobs is real and it is causing pain to our workers. The problem is complex and has to be addressed properly and immediately.
P.S. I was not able to type word Modus oper-andi due to the abusive language restrictions of GS so I have added a DASH in the middle of the word, I am sure that none of you would have any problem understanding the word but if you do just remove the DASH!
I guess above English word sounds like a bad woman in Urdu!
Nuff said!
Re: Glen Beck taking a swipe at Indian Med system and India.
GoodMd2B, You are absolutely right. Outsourcing everything has destroyed North American economy. Walmart is cutting off the tree branch on which it is sitting.
**Set aside Glenn Beck, his needless and uninvited, racist and bias remarks against whole nation of India ----- absolutely rubbish.* *
Sure as shooting, most Americans, and, or immigrants, who attain medical education abroad as compare to people attending Med schools at home are not only equally witty, adroitly impressive and strikingly competent but also in some cases proven better. There are many outstanding Med Schools all across the globe ----- which, not only have strove for being competitive with U.S. Med schools for decades but also continue to make strenuous efforts to be the finest of the finest, in spite of being at their best for their state of the art ways to impart knowledge and skills and excellent modus oper-andi these schools are also relatively cheaper as compared to Med Schools within United States.
There seem to be a little jumble that is perhaps taking us adrift and off course from the gist of the argument here, as I have previously mentioned in my posts that it is neither about IMGs and USMGs nor Glenn Beck and his racist views and nor about India for that matter, but essence of this discussion is offshore outsourcing US jobs.
I do not mean to be disrespectful here but let me ask you an honest question, since you are a Med School graduate, you have obviously worked very hard and spent loads of dollars to get where you are right now, after so many years of hard work and taking such a huge pecuniary burden ----- would you want your patients to go abroad to get medical treatment regardless of financial aspects of these actions and the quality of the service they get ----- I would assume that you would not, but please correct me by all means if I am wrong here ----- and that's exactly I was referring to in my earlier posts.
I would not consider overwhelming majority of Americans going to India or any other country for medical treatment but certainly there are some who would go to these countries completely overlooking the risks factors involved and without having to consider the opportunity cost that needs to be paid in the future.
Offshore outsourcing was thought to be America's ultimate competitive advantage in the past, but it has proven to be a grave challenge today, after trying to beat each other in the contest of speed that led to the knee jerk acceptance to offshore outsourcing by corporate America ----- just to save few dollars ----- America has experienced a huge setback in manufacturing sector where 2.7 million jobs have been lost since 2000, IT industries which is defined to include four major segments 1) Computer Hardware, 2) Communications Equipment 3) Communications Services 4) Software and Computer Services have been the hardest hit since early 2000s where 14 million U.S. jobs were at risk of being exporting over the next 15 years and guess what ----- these jobs are gone ----- just for the IT industries from $800 billion to $900 billion in wages each year have already moved offshore.
Banks, insurance companies, mortgage lenders, credit card companies, airlines, utility providers and many more are among the corporations that offshore outsource American jobs such as data entry, call centers telemarketing, accounting, human resources and help desk.
Major U.S. corporations such as Bank of America, Dell, American Express, Citicorp, Chrysler, IBM, Oracle, Delta Air Lines and many more have thousands of employes in India, Philippines, China, Russia, Ireland, Israel, Poland, Malaysia and even Canada, thus the bottom line is that the loss of our manufacturing, services and IT jobs is real and it is causing pain to our workers. The problem is complex and has to be addressed properly and immediately.
P.S. I was not able to type word Modus oper-andi due to the abusive language restrictions of GS so I have added a DASH in the middle of the word, I am sure that none of you would have any problem understanding the word but if you do just remove the DASH!
I guess above English word sounds like a bad woman in Urdu!
Nuff said!
Ofcourse, I would obviously want more patients to be staying in the US to have treatment.
And for the most part they do. Most of our bread an butter services are noninvasive procedures that can be done in US.
Other more expensive services can be covered by insurance, and for the most part we haven't seen a huge loss because of medical off shoring.
On the on the other hand, the ethical side of this debate has to be taken into account. The fact IS that many people really cannot afford life saving surgery in the US, even with some form of insurance.
So if a patient can get adequate service in a foreign country, then that is not something we should be fighting.
Its one thing to deny a person who wants to fix their computer the pleasure of speaking to an American, its quite another to deny a patient who cant afford necessary surgery in the States the opportunity to have it done abroad.
The problem is not in whether people should or shouldnt go to foreign country for service, after all, open markets capitalism dictates that people will go where the price is cheapest, the problem is whther we in the US can make health care more affordable and thus encourage people to seek care within the US.
No one will want to go to a foreign country if the can help it, because they know the quality over all, in the US, is far superior then say in India or even Mexico. The challenge is in providing these people affordability so they no longer need to go offshore.
Ofcourse, I would obviously want more patients to be staying in the US to have treatment. And for the most part they do. Most of our bread an butter services are noninvasive procedures that can be done in US. Other more expensive services can be covered by insurance, and for the most part we haven't seen a huge loss because of medical off shoring.
On the on the other hand, the ethical side of this debate has to be taken into account. The fact IS that many people really cannot afford life saving surgery in the US, even with some form of insurance. So if a patient can get adequate service in a foreign country, then that is not something we should be fighting. Its one thing to deny a person who wants to fix their computer the pleasure of speaking to an American, its quite another to deny a patient who cant afford necessary surgery in the States the opportunity to have it done abroad.
The problem is not in whether people should or shouldnt go to foreign country for service, after all, open markets capitalism dictates that people will go where the price is cheapest, the problem is whther we in the US can make health care more affordable and thus encourage people to seek care within the US.
No one will want to go to a foreign country if the can help it, because they know the quality over all, in the US, is far superior then say in India or even Mexico. The challenge is in providing these people affordability so they no longer need to go offshore.
You seem to be a man of a noble mien who is willing to sacrifice a few dollars for the sake of the humanity, magnanimous indeed.
Keeping the characteristics pertaining to deal with principles of morality in mind, the citizens of the civilized nation such as The United States should not even have to be vexed with burden of the cost of healthcare themselves, instead it should be taken care of by the government and its ilk ----- similar to the mode of action that has been taken by the government of our next door neighbor Canada ----- where all the medical expenses are covered by the government ----- no questions asked ----- which eventually led Canada to have content and pleased citizens, better paid doctors and seemingly solvent and trustworthy government ----- perhaps it is not only possible but also, about time for us to follow in to the foot steps of our neighbor by stop spending whopping 4.5 billion dollars a day on needless wars instead, trying to reach congruity by confabulation and spend our money on public benefits such as Healthcare System etc ----- don't you think so?
Nuff said!