Speaking on a strictly personal basis, I’d give up some of my “human rights” in order to have a safer life…ie., searches, interview/interrogations, coming to an immediate halt when asked to do so by police (or be shot)…
If that type of thing helps to remove the scourge of terrorists then its ok with me…
how about you?
If you are against this type of thing, then what do you think will stop terrorism and hatred, what will make public transportation safe, how to ensure that planes won’t be slammed into buildings etc? Yes foreign policy needs to be changed but no western country will give in due to terrorism so thats not the answer IMHO.
“Racial Profiling” gets so much bad press. But when you look at things with an objective eye…if black people commit most murders, cops will tend to look there when a murder is committed. When suicide bombings are mostly committed by south asians, it follows that the cops will tend to look to south asians when another one occurs, right? It isnt fair and it isnt right but there it is.
I really dont understand what you're getting at here. But yes McVeigh was a very evil terrorist, caught and punished as appropriate. But, again, he was an exception, yes? If you look at all the bombings that have taken place, he is way way more the exception than the rule.....but in all cases, authorites try to avoid profiling until there is at least a thread of evidence.... from the news that I've read anyway.
You offered really nothing useful here, just more resentment of the west....how about something constructive? Come on, Lajo, reach down into your brain and offer something useful here....
Racial profiling is another word for religious/ethnic discrimination, therefore sud never be accepted by the civilized ppl.
I personally experienced racial profiling on every US visit, I can tell u quite frankly it is a waste of your tax payers money, time and effort. Not only does this policy harrass Muslim populace, it has created an acceptable form of discriminatory procedures against muslims on the pretext of security concerns. Fact is, successes achieved by the US against terrorists and potential attackers has been done thru intelligence gathering and coordination with friendly countries. Whereas racial profiling has only succeeded in alienating millions of Muslims who are harrassed and humiliated every time they enter and leave the US.
Security is a genuine concern and warrants special care under the abnormal environment of international terrorism. But, this not mean that u sud sacrifice your values and way of life, cause that is exactly what OBL wud want u to do.
I reached into my brain and a picture of thousands upon thousands of dead Iraqi men, women and children came to mind…The ravaged cities, disease, malnutrition and starvation…All for nothing…
All thanks to America…
What conceivable useful input can I give?
Your president said that either you were with us or with the terrorists…
Well, seems there are many who are with the terrorists…Just sow the rewards of your nation’s actions and see where it goes from here…
Richard Reid was white in appearance, not South Asian.
One of the accused alleged London bombers was black in appearance, not South Asian. In fact, the accused alleged 21st July bombers were predominantly Somali.
Israel began racial profiling to try and stop arab bombers, and they simply switched to appearing Jewish.
If you are going to go around accusing Muslims of being behind terrorism, then you must alse acknowledge the fact that Islam is a belief, not a race or appearance. If you’re going to go around accusing Muslims of being behind terrorism, then you will need to face the fact that you cannot look at someone and tell if he or she is Muslim because there are Muslims that look just like you.
Racial profiling serves just one purpose: empowering racists.
And people who advocate racial profiling are just racists who haven’t admitted it yet.
As much as I repeatedly point out that the USA’s founding father were traitors to their King and Country, one of them, Benjamin Franklin, made an extremely good point that all countries of the world should remember always.
“They that can give up essential liberties to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”.
There is nothing that cheezes me off more than some TSA agent in the airport frisking some Japanese grandmother. I have seen old women in wheelchairs, and Finnish tourists pulled aside for random expanded searches. What a waste of time money and resources.
I do not feel an ounce of fear from Japanese grandmothers, cripples and Finns. "Statistical" profiling focuses resources where they are most likely to find something. Complete waste of Myvoices tax money to pretend to be politically correct.
When the Russains aimed thier nukes at South Dakota did they aim directly for the b-52 base or did they target random spots around South Dakota to be politically correct? This is the New Cold War, proper aim is always appropriate.
And, lets start to accept some other facts. It is politically incorrect to say so, but other than WMD attacks, terrorists are pretty much a pinprick to the West. It is the reaction to terrorism that causes the economic and psychological damage. Time for the west to accept that bombs will go off, and people will be killed. As long as the government can stop the "Big Ones", no one can expect that every attack can be stopped. Focused efforts can prevent the big ones.
Mamaof3: When police/agencies raid your home, do searches and pick any member of your family without disclosing his/her ‘crime’ under ‘secret evidence law’ there is no difference between the so called Developed world and the “third world”, because this is what happens in Pakistan/Saudi Arabia, people are “abducted” by so called Law Enforcement Agencies and disappear (very likely from planet earth). After 9-11 many a people were rounded up whilst their families clueless as to where they were and what there ‘crime’ was. In case there are a few more terrorism incidents, the number of such “roundups” will go higher, I’m not sure if you have read details of such accounts.
Giving up your “human rights” only makes you live like “third world” citizens while paying “first world” taxes.
Mamaof3 you're the reason we'll become a Police State.. just cuz you and many like you will accept however the Govt tries to treat you just thinking that they are actually doing it to make you 'safer'.
Remember the correct approach would have been to just search 'desi' looking guys and spare everyone the trouble .. BUT since the ultimate objective is not to terrorize the desis but the general American population.. they want to search your 80 yr old gramma too.. the target is very much YOU .. not just me.. the desi male.
My only chance of survival rests with YOU.. if you stick your ground and stay a freedom loving American, and not become just some drooling push over consumer to corporate goods, then and only then would there be accountability of Govt actions, and a chance of ME not getting strip searched at every port..
But still the vast majority of suicide bombers are south asian or of south asian appearance, typically male and between the ages of 18 and 35. Doesnt it make sense that these are the types that will be looked at by law enforcement?
Nazi germany wont happen again, I think we are far too civilized for that in this day and age....maybe I'm being naive but that is my wish, my thinking and my hope for humanity. Lajo seems to be implying that its time for us "amrikkkans" to experience the horror of concentration camps. Pity to his poor soul if thats his beleif. No human should ever have to face that. There are many, many things not right in the world....so how to make them better rather than worse???? That was the point of this thread anyway. Maybe Ben Franklin was right...maybe not. But HOW to make things better????
The examples given are already allowed. Seaches are done with warrents, police can interview/interrogate you but you needn’t give them anything other than your name, address and date of birth. And when a police officer tells you to stop, you have to stop.
You disappoint me, not one of the 9/11 hijackers were of South Asian origin, they were all Arabs (Saudi, Egyptian). More importantly, lets not generalize here cause thats what the Nazi’s did with the jews right?
How to make things better? Well thats easy. US Govt has two options:
(1) Change your foreign policy ie stop supporting regimes responsible for crimes against humanity, OR
(2) Go all out war with the forces US considers evil ie just finish it off irrespective of the costs.
kaleem i swear on my 3 boys that this is me, mamaof3, wifey of Verizon saab....not that it makes much difference but lets at least get THAT straight! Mr Verizon is at work and really doesnt come here anymore, but well here I am, still keeping on.....
I care much about this issue thats why I ventured into WA, otherwise I stay out....the people in here are usually way too radical and filled with hatred for me....
FG, I'm surprised at the nonsense you're spewing....
change foreign policy to soothe the terrorists and make them stop blowing up innocent people -OR- get into all-out war and obliterate people we dont see eye-to-eye with. Sad. If these are the best answers that we can come up with then I am sorry to my boys for this sorry planet I brought them into.
didn’t US invade Iraq? Yes, really sad, what the world has come to. First US invades Iraq, then people retaliate and get labelled “terrorists” and now US won’t get out of there as it would soothe the terrorists , the circus.
Yes foreign policy needs to be changed but no western country will give in due to terrorism so thats not the answer IMHO.
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well there you have it. No western country is willing to change the cause of terrorism, and no terrorist is prepare to give in due to the foriegn policy. its a never ending cirlce and cuz of the idiots from both ends, the innocent will always end up paying.
didn’t US invade Iraq? Yes, really sad, what the world has come to. First US invades Iraq, then people retaliate and get labelled “terrorists” and now US won’t get out of there as it would soothe the terrorists 
, the circus.