Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

In plain english Hillary has given some sound advice to Pakistan …

Quoting d’Toqueville at one point, Clinton advised Pakistanis to develop ‘‘habits of the heart’’ that respected other people, tolerated other view points, and developed minority rights. In several nuances remarks, she suggested Pakistan had allowed extremists have a run of the country and that was the root cause of the problems the country is facing.

But is soemone listening …

Giving ‘tough love’ to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir - US - World - The Times of India

WASHINGTON: US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton concluded a turbulent visit to Pakistan on Friday by rejecting Islamabad’s persistent thesis that terrorism could not be contained unless the Kashmir issue was resolved. She basically advised Pakistan to abandon the path of extremism and normalize relations with India using the trade route, without obsessing on disputes.

While promising to support resumption of dialogue with India on all issues, Clinton repeatedly spurned Pakistani efforts to draw Washington into the process, suggesting such an effort may be counterproductive.

“It is clearly in Pakistan’s and India’s interest to resolve [their dispute]. But it isn’t to us to dictate a solution. That wouldn’t last a minute,” Clinton said on the show “Our Voice,” one of several media engagements she had in Pakistan on an extra-ordinarily public and combative three-day visit.

Pakistan’s argument, which New Delhi finds insidious, is that terrorism flourishes in the region because of unresolved issues with India, including the Kashmir problem. In not so many words, Washington is now saying Pakistan’s problems go far deeper than that, and Clinton sought to drive home the message at several engagements.

Quoting d’Toqueville at one point, Clinton advised Pakistanis to develop ‘‘habits of the heart’’ that respected other people, tolerated other view points, and developed minority rights. In several nuances remarks, she suggested Pakistan had allowed extremists have a run of the country and that was the root cause of the problems the country is facing.

Clinton repeatedly refused to be baited by questions on India or comparisons and parity-seeking with India. She ignored charges that the US had ‘‘bent the rules’’ to offer India a favorable nuclear deal and politely declined pleas to give Pakistan the same deal, while offering help in other energy sectors.

She also dismissed Pakistan’s charges that New Delhi was engaging in subversive activities in Balochistan, saying ‘‘we just have no evidence to this effect,’’ and largely ignored some sulfurous observations about India, including a comment from one female journalist that ‘‘even paranoids have enemies and we have an enemy right across our border.’’

The angry remarks played into the new US line that Pakistan’s India phobia is exaggerated and misplaced and is not shared by the rest of the world. It was also reflected in Clinton’s media engagements in Pakistan. At every event featuring Pakistani interlocutors, there were carping questions about the perceived U.S tilt towards India, the nuclear deal. Kashmir, water dispute etc. In five interviews she gave to the western media (PBS, NBC, CNN, CBS, and BBC) during the visit there wasn’t a single India reference.

Broadly, America’s top diplomat seemed to tread the emerging US line that largely de-links India from Pakistan’s neuroses and engages it at a different level, a policy underscored by a state visit to Washington DC by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh three weeks from now. But more than once, Clinton also indicated that Washington will be happier if New Delhi resumed dialogue with Pakistan.

While Clinton was visiting Pakistan, India’s National Security Advisor M K Narayanan was in the US capital tying up details of the visit that officials said would aim to consolidate the gains in the US-India ties in the past decade. Also in town was Education Minister Kapil Sibal, aiming to put academic exchanges on top of the agenda for the PM’s visit when a US-India Education Council is likely to be announced.

Clinton’s Pakistan trip attracted wide coverage in the US, more than a US Secretary of State’s travels typically would. But Clinton herself said at one event that its seldom that a Secretary of State spends three days in a country, and that too with such a large number of public engagements and interactions. While she ostensibly intended it to be a charm offensive, she ended up conveying ‘‘tough love.’’ Not that she was apologetic about it. ‘‘I did not come here to make happy talk,’’ she said in one interview, although she was gracious and good-humored.

But as much as three-day SoS visits are rare, even more unusual was an under-reported three-hour meeting she had with Pakistan’s army chief Pervez Ashfaq Kiyani and the ISI chief, Gen. Shuja Pasha. The meeting came soon after Clinton implicitly accused Pakistan’s military and intelligence services of being in cahoots with terrorists, but it was also an indication who the US thinks can deliver the goods in Pakistan.

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Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Basically Clinton repudiates everything that the majority of Guppies in this forum spout againt India. Nobody in the world believes Pakistan.

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Again what do you sonsider as world???
Amreeka and India, Israel aur kaun? Great Brittain?

Ro ro kar aap loguN ne yeh World Affairs Forum geela kar diya hai

And what would you consider world … here is Russia and China … calling to act against groups banned in UNSC resolutions … where are these groups , i will leave that to you …

Russia, China join hands with India to fight terror

Jahan tak geeley hone ke baat hai … to mana karo apne logo ko rone say :smiley:

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

mere log kya royeingay, woh khud aapke aansuwuN mein doob rahay hain,

aap bas karrain apne aap ko dunya samajhna,
itna oopar urhne ki zaroorat nahiN hai, zameen pe hi raho

Hum to hamesha zamein se judhe hain .... lekin apne bataya nahe ke apke "dunya" mein kon kon hai :D

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Aapki tarrah i do not need confirmation for everything, by digging up articles etc,
neither do i need to answer your question, because its kiddish and i left that period behind me
, aap apni dunya sambhalaiN bas,

Wow! Indians and their media can be summarized as follows.

hazaaroN KHwahishaiN 'eisee ke har KHwahish pe dam nikle
bohot nikle mere armaaN lekin phir bhee kam nikle

Shukaria Shukaria!!! :D

And what would you say to the kashmiri's

Niklana khuld say aadm ka sunte aae they lekin,
bahut be aabro ho kar tere kuche se hum nikle ...... :D

How about Iran and China. Both of them believe Pakistan is spreading terrorism. Even China isues warnings to Pakistan. Here is an example:

First and foremost, the Chinese government considers the country’s 8.5 million Uighurs a threat to national security. Earlier this week, for instance, Chinese authorities declared that most of its domestic Muslim terrorists – that is, the Uighur – have close ties with similar groups operating base camps in Pakistan, which borders China’s northwest Xinjiang province.

Source: FrontPage Magazine - China’s Muslim Problem

More importantly Xinhua (Chinese government newspaper has this report:

Iran warns Pakistan over hosting terrorists:

TEHRAN, Oct. 20 (Xinhua) - Iran’s Intelligence Minister Heidar Moslehi warned the Pakistani government on Tuesday over hosting Jundallah terrorists, the semi-official Fars news agency reported.

Source:Iran warns Pakistan over hosting terrorists: Minister_English_Xinhua

For Xinhua to be reporting this warning by Iran to Pakistan means only one thing. China agrees with Iran.

How many more examples do you want?

Here is another example of Iran’s accustions against Pakistan, right here in GS

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/368792-iran-says-isi-backing-jundalla.html

Here is another warning from Turkey:

Turk general warns Pakistan about Taliban (UPI)](http://www.islamicmovements.com/turk-general-warns-pakistan-about-taliban-upi)
The head of Turkey’s military told a conference in Ankara that cozying up to the Taliban could backfire for Pakistani opposition political parties

source:

http://www.islamicmovements.com/turk-general-warns-pakistan-about-taliban-upi

And bharat matha looks at itself and sings

sab kuchh lootaa ke hosh mein aaye to kyaa kiyaa
dil mein agar charaag jalaaye tho kyaa kiyaa

:D

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Dil Pakistan & mo293 - just look at your posts here. The thread is about Hilary's statements about India Pakistan relationship items and her rejection of Pakistani claims against India. None of your responses even touch upon anyof that - instead you simply launch into your usual irrelevant ramblings.

As a nation, shouldn't you guys do something to stop being thus accused of terrorism practices? Do you understand by using the 'habits of heart' quote she is telling you that such practices have become ingrained and you have to work to change such habits? That is very damning

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Jalaluddin,
I commented on Sarsapasilla's post, post number 2.
Accha ji, or am i not allowed to do so?

Aur aap bas karain lecture dena, you post irrelevant gand all the time. Aap ko kisi ne roka aisa karne se? Nahin na? Bas.
Replying on another guppies post is not irrelevant.

"As a nation, shouldn't you guys do something to stop being thus accused of terrorism practices?"

Our nation is doing everything against terrorism. Kyun khabraiN nai dekhte kya?! Kya horaha hai Swat mein? Ankh Macholi nai kheli jarahi wahaN.

Aap jaise log hi haiN jo na agay janay dete hain na peechhay.
If the terrorists get killed then these humanactivists will come shouting 'ZULM HOGAYA! ZULM HOGAYA! Badsalooqi horahi hai insanuN ke saath!'
If those terrorists dont get killed, you all will assume that we fund them.

And the world accusing us from being terrorists?
Agar yeh chand terrorists ki wajjah se, hum saray PakistaniuN par terrorist hone ki stamp lagti hai,
Then bhaarh mein jayein hammay terrorist kehne walay. That means nothing more than that they are a bunch of brainless bimbos. Keh le jo kehta hai.

Aap yeh apni batain apne paas rakhaiN,
they make no sense at all.

ALLAH HAFIZ!

aghli daffa aap bhi post par hi reply likhna,
ignore other posters msgs.

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

^ Ok Dil Pakistan. As you wish.

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Dil Pakistan is losing temper. . . .

Think this one suits someone else ....... but then

"abhe to adha he lootaa hai ... aur abhi hoshe mein nahe aaye" :D

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

Dil Pakistan didn't answer anything. I gave solid proof that even their close friends think Pakistan is involved in spreading terrorism, not just US, India or Israel as Dil Pakistan asserts. This forum needs Deemag Pakistan not Dil Pakistan.

Re: Giving 'tough love' to Pak, Hillary rejects mediation in Kashmir

^ This forums needs tumhari safai (aapki language mein baat karring).

Coming back to your question,
If 'our' friends THINK that we spread terrorism, then they must come with proof.
And again, thats still not the entire world.

And jaise ke maine apne earlier post mein kaha, Pakistan is doing everything in its fight against terror, and those who accuse us from spreading terrorism are brainless bimbos and layee laggs.

Chalo yeh to manna that Pakistan is fighting terror ... nahe toa loog keh rahe thay ke Pakistan was fighting "America's war" ..... jab tak sab terror groups ka safaya nahe ho jata Pakistan sey .. tab tak ayse batin hote rahenge !!!!

Abhe be groups like Lashkar e Toiba, Jamat ul Dawa, Jaish e mohamad jaise groups hay jo kaam ker rakhe hai ..... inka bhe safaya hona chahiye !!!

Bharat matha sings like an anthem..

sab kuchh lootaa ke hosh mein aaye to kyaa kiyaa
dil mein agar charaag jalaaye tho kyaa kiyaa

And the looting goes on for last 1000 years :D