Alrite, this had to come up now or later…why not now?
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. (Al-Nisa 171)
Here is a popular example of a qawwali:
“Bhar dey jholi meri ya mohammad
lot kar na jaoon ga khali”(Ghulam Fareed Sabri Qawwal)
just look at the words here…i’ll be back with more later.
[This message has been edited by X_Communist (edited December 11, 2000).]
ok, so how many of us participate in such religious procedures?
moreover, how many of us can prove to the others that it is right?
(no intention towards starting an argument, just seeking, seeking, and seeking…right gfq
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This is interesting… I am still waiting for your interpretation of the qawwali…
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Plus, in your second post, you asked about how many of us participate in ‘such religious procedures?’… which ‘procedures’ are we talking about?
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By the way, what does the word ‘Ghuloo’ means…?
PS. I somehow have a feeling that we don’t have many qawwals here.
If you are asking what do I, personally, feel about qawwalis… then, I think they have been borrowed from Hindu traditions of chanting by gurus to please the hindu gods… I don’t believe they have anything to do with religion. Other than the probability that they have some religious message.
Then again, I am probably not a good person to say anything, bcz I do feel that there is a good case for not listening to music at all, and still I do listen to music. Similarly even if you prove to me that qawwalis, because of their religious undertones are worse than normal music, I’d probably agree, but will continue to listen to good ones, just bcz I like them.
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Re: Hamd, naat and other forms of praise for Allah Ta’lla or the Prophet Muhammad (Saleh Allah Wasalam), I think it will be a very hard case to prove that they are prohibited. Frankly I don’t think they are. And I will be a poor listener to ppl making out a case on that, bcz I don’t feel this is such a big deal.
Re: ghuloo… did you answer the question or just started a “It Pays to Enrich your Word Power” sorta thing…
The word Ghuloo comes from the word mubaligha,poets often do it.In naats and other poetry meant for praising people this can be very dangerous as it would be a sin.I don't think X-communist is trying to prove hamds,naats or even qawalis wrong,she is only addressing the issue of guloo in them.
The word ghuloo i think is specifically used when the status of someone is raised-in religious terms-from what it factually is.Am I correct in this?
Anyway despite the specific usage I think the general meaning is clear now.
alrite, alrite, you can take it taht way, ahmad....yes, thats a good angle to look at it....
but my question is: is the naat i posted above (in wording) correct?
Lets look at ghulloo from teh modern standpoint--how is is right in anyway?
it is at its extremes and yet our muslim brothers/sis's attend practice it....
see where im going with this?
this is something i've always wondered about...
what exactly would you term as being ghuloo..?
In this CONTEXT, ghulloo for religious practices.....
or in english....extensiveness (negative) in religious practices.