Does daish follows this:
عورت Ù…Ù„Ø§Ø²Ù…Û Ø±Ú©Ú¾ی اوربعد Ù…یÚº اس سے اتÙاق کرلیا Ú©Û ÙˆÛ Ø§Ø³ Ú©ی لونڈی ÛÙˆÚ¯ی - islamqa.info](عورت ملازمہ رکھی اوربعد میں اس سے اتفاق کرلیا کہ وہ اس کی لونڈی ہوگی - اسلام سوال و جواب)
Re: Ghulami
I don't know what Daish follows, but slavery practice is probably the most horrific crime against humanity
Re: Ghulami
If you read the fatwa in detail, the learned scholar is saying that muslims should revive jihad, and then start taking slave man and girl which is what ISIS doing right now. He is complaining about the UN sanctions on slavery!
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Peace @Mostar95,
Slave (ghulami) condition is now out of date, in the true spirit of Islam. Reviving Jihad for the purpose of taking slave men and women are seems like cherry-picking. That is not Jihad in true sense.
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The contents go the fatwa does prove that Islam promotes violence and hatred.
All my life I have been made to believe that Islam is a religion of forgiveness and love.
So we have a different Islam in Pakistan than the one true one on ksa & isis
Re: Ghulami
Religion is what you make of it, muslims, like everyone else, can choose if they want to promote violence and intolerance in the name of religion or not.
Some muslims do promote violence and intolerance, some don't.
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Religion is what you make of it, muslims, like everyone else, can choose if they want to promote violence and intolerance in the name of religion or not.
Some muslims do promote violence and intolerance, some don't.
The vast majority don't. If it werent a majority, then you would have far more violence and terrorism then there is today.
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The contents go the fatwa does prove that Islam promotes violence and hatred.
All my life I have been made to believe that Islam is a religion of forgiveness and love.
So we have a different Islam in Pakistan than the one true one on ksa & isis
I feel bad to put it this way, but if you really go through whole Bukhari, you will come out shivering of all the atrocities that you may read about. The real history of Islam does not paint a picture as glorified as we were made to believe.
I take Islam, not as a revolution, but just an adjustment of lifestyle of people within the Arab culture. The culture itself was very cruel and cutthroat type. Slavery was one of the aspect of that culture. Like many other things that Islam did not touch - it did not alter much of this practice either.
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You guys have to watch yourselves whom you are taking the interpretation of Islam from
These people of innovation who run terror organisations such as ssp and isis with their manhajs, are the same people who are pushing an innovated belief on Tawheed and Shirk -something that i myself can even refute them on
Also it has, contrary to ahul bidahs encouragement, been stated by mainstream scholars that lay people should stay away from independently reading hadith. It is known and warned against practice. The companions even burnt their hadith collection for fear of misinterpretation. Yet we now have groups which encourage this. They also are not too keen on following our scholarship -which is a known way of taking knowlwdge away
However there is on this thread a couple of issues at least which need answering. I see these issues as 1 Islam promotes violence, hatred and atrocities 2 the issue of slavery
Unfortunately i am not able to refute these allegations right away but my post is more about misguided groups with misguiding opinions
Hence if you do get an answer regarding these issues do not go back to those same people for your next fatwa
Re: Ghulami
Islam does not either promote or accept Slavery. It was a practice at the time by the Arabs and was commented upon in the Quran. Instead of an outright banning of the practice which would have left masses unemployed, without homes, and ostracized as happened in the U.S., the way Allah suggested to get rid of it was by rewarding people sawaab for freeing slaves, for using freeing slaves as a method by which you could absolve certain sins, and you were encouraged to marry your slaves and give them the same rights that free believing spouses had, and giving them freedom once a Muslim child was born of the union.
So nowhere in these Quranic verses do I get the sense that Slavery was encouraged or people were asked to make slaves of people that previously were not slaves. In fact, every line in the Quran about slaves revolves around their freedom or giving them rights and slowly absorbing them into your own families, so they're not "free while sitting out on the street being discriminated" against. This approach dissolved slavery slowly.
If later historically people didn't practice it right or came up with stupid fatwas, it doesn't negate what is God's word in revelation which trumps any Hadith.
And btw this is why I've warned against Hadith. That is a dodgy quagmire of literature and only reflects what people were saying after the prophet Muhammad SAW died about the things they Remember he did and said. They aren't direct quotes from the historical time period and each Hadith has its own historical context and some are included in the collection for the sake of academic history rather than policy making.
Fatwas mean nothing when they contradict Quran.
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^so all the Sahaba e karam of sunni or eimma of shia and Tabeen didn't know the true spirit of islam yet 21th century muslims do ?
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^ Are you saying these people actively enslaved free people? They did not. They were setting slaves free actually.
As a result, the practice of slavery actually doesn't exist in Mecca and Medina today. In fact, the people of these areas look clearly like they have African blood in them, based on their hair and skin tones and facial features.
The practice was slowly gotten rid of. Slowly. Slaves were increasingly given rights and freedoms, and as they married into families and converted into Islam, they were set free. Hence, no slaves in the Hijaz to this day.
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And the ones who did continue to keep slaves till the day they died, they can deal with God. I know what I'm reading in the Quran, and if I had slaves, I'd be setting all of them free and either marrying them, or marrying them into my family or helping them find spouses and employment.
So I don't live my life based on some dude who lived back then who might have chosen to not follow a particular aspect of Islam. That was their choice. Regardless, their progeny set the slaves free if they didn't.
Slaves are not in existence in Makkah or Madina. And for a long time now. Slavery was gone from that area while slaves were held in America. So that should tell you a lot.
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^ Are you saying these people actively enslaved free people? They did not. They were setting slaves free actually.
As a result, the practice of slavery actually doesn't exist in Mecca and Medina today. In fact, the people of these areas look clearly like they have African blood in them, based on their hair and skin tones and facial features.
The practice was slowly gotten rid of. Slowly. Slaves were increasingly given rights and freedoms, and as they married into families and converted into Islam, they were set free. Hence, no slaves in the Hijaz to this day.
I'm sorry read about the lives of Sahaba and their wives and children and you will get your answer. ....yes they liberated slaves but slavery was never outlawed by any means was thriving industry throughout the period of the caliphate...it was finally abolished becauae European Navy's basically put an end to it for their own reasons.
capturing slaves in war was never illegal in islam it's just that in present day it cannot be openly done
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And the ones who did continue to keep slaves till the day they died, they can deal with God. I know what I'm reading in the Quran, and if I had slaves, I'd be setting all of them free and either marrying them, or marrying them into my family or helping them find spouses and employment.
So I don't live my life based on some dude who lived back then who might have chosen to not follow a particular aspect of Islam. That was their choice. Regardless, their progeny set the slaves free if they didn't.
Slaves are not in existence in Makkah or Madina. And for a long time now. Slavery was gone from that area while slaves were held in America. So that should tell you a lot.
Typical muslim arrogance! Read about the Barbary pirates aND their slave trade ...not to mention in Turkey and Saudi Arabia slavery existed until 20th century.What the Europeans did was also immoral but that does not mean Everyone in the Middle East was buying slaves just to set them free.
Those "Some dudes" Sahaba are the pillars of faith without them there is no hadith and no fiqah
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I feel bad to put it this way, but if you really go through whole Bukhari, you will come out shivering of all the atrocities that you may read about. The real history of Islam does not paint a picture as glorified as we were made to believe.
I take Islam, not as a revolution, but just an adjustment of lifestyle of people within the Arab culture. The culture itself was very cruel and cutthroat type. Slavery was one of the aspect of that culture. Like many other things that Islam did not touch - it did not alter much of this practice either.
Agreed. We are taught a lot of things that are really not true or are sugar coated. When I picked up the books myself, I was disheartened and felt like everything I had known and was taught was a lie.
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I feel bad to put it this way, but if you really go through whole Bukhari, you will come out shivering of all the atrocities that you may read about. The real history of Islam does not paint a picture as glorified as we were made to believe.
I take Islam, not as a revolution, but just an adjustment of lifestyle of people within the Arab culture. The culture itself was very cruel and cutthroat type. Slavery was one of the aspect of that culture. Like many other things that Islam did not touch - it did not alter much of this practice either.
Brother TLK
I heavily contest the idea that:
a) There were atrocities done by the best of people.
b) That in some sense of personal superiority that we are in any way better than them.
Slavery had different kinds and forms and this is what Islam had done with slavery
a) Islam promoted the freeing of slaves - this in modern day mindset is understood in a way where people think slaves were kept by the early Muslim community in shackles and tied up with ropes and to free them they cut their tethers and let them run off in to the distance much like a cage animal would do. This is a limitation of our own minds.
Slaves of the early Muslim community were the first brand of modern employee. What we know as the term employee today is actually the manifestation of the concept of Islamic slavery or vice versa ... Islamic slavery is modern day employment.
Setting slaves free is actually to be understood in our minds today as giving your employee a start-up business and cancelling the contract they have with you thereafter. This is why many slaves didn't want to be freed. They enjoyed employment and didn't want to take on the risk of having their own businesses. Look to the Feudal system. There are landowners and on those lands are people living there and in exchange of living on those lands they work the soils for the owners. This is actually slavery - but the English speaking world call it something else. The English speaking world separate peasant life and slavery into two groups and they further classify employees and servants differently to either peasants and slaves.
The types of slaves kept by the West - i.e. in the Black African slave trade to America and the versions of slaves understood by Greek and Roman history is completely alien to Islam. When Islam speaks of slaves it speaks of peasants and employed servants. The difference between a slave of the early Muslim community and a noble was - risk. The noble took the risk of the extra cost at the benefit of ownership (of lands) whereas the slave was saved from the risk of insecure income for the price of being accountable to another person - in the same way as an employee is accountable to his hiring manager.
Daesh slavery is idiocy and alien to Islam.
b) The earliest Muslim community are the best of the believers and have the highest of ranks in Jannah. How can a person entertain the idea that we are more ethically advanced than them yet reach lower heights in rank in the spiritual world. If a person says they are better than the Sahabah then that is a different matter. But if you truly believe they were the best then come on ... Give them some credit!
It is a disease to think we live in the pinnacle of human moral society today ... We don't ... The best people have lived earlier and we are interpreting their lives with our own corrupt perceptions. They were the best for reasons which envelope the very reasons we have of loving nature, being kind and Godly, honest and hard working - except they were better at it than us.
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If they were the best the would have not killed each other in Jamal!
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If they were the best the would have not killed each other in Jamal!
Lol dear brother you don't boil your blood over this
Ofcourse we all know that ibn saba and his delta force was parachuted by Israeli airforce between the camps of muslims and they went about methodically killing muslims spreading false rumors and provoking a war this is well documented.