Ghazwa-e-Ohad

[Nussairee]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

next time i will post questions on ur wall Nussairee bahi. Thanks

don't do urself a disservice.........ask somebody who actually knows and is in the position to enlighten others.........

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

Peace,

I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc.

As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna???

And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply.

Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me.

Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.

[Nussairee]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

^finally....words of wisdom........

[Surdar_Asif]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

Peace,

I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc.

As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna???

And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply.

Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me.

Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.

Well, all you are asking for is a little bit of objectivity but sometimes it is too much to ask particularly from the 'religious' folks. Towards simple facts, they will resort to distortions, confusion, twist and everything else under the cloud to stretch and make it in compliance with their own set point of view or the world-view propagated by the mullahs who are already on someone's payroll. Controlling history has been key to controlling the present and the future. Unfortunately history for us has more been like 'shush-tory'.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

Peace Surdar Asif,

That is why said "Or Deen ki samjh rakho".

[aqeel123]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

@Ibn_Sadique

One of the prominent Companion who fled from the battle was Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra)

Narrated Uthman: (the son of Muhib) An Egyptian who came and performed the Hajj to the Kaba saw some people sitting. He enquire, “Who are these people?” Somebody said, “They are the tribe of Quraish.” He said, “Who is the old man sitting amongst them?” The people replied, “He is Abdullah bin 'Umar.” He said, “O Ibn 'Umar! I want to ask you about something; please tell me about it. Do you know that 'Uthman fled away on the day (of the battle) of Uhud?” ..

Ibn 'Umar said, “Yes.” The (Egyptian) man said, “Do you know that Uthman was absent on the day (of the battle) of Badr and did not join it?” Ibn 'Umar said, “Yes.” The man said, “Do you know that he failed to attend the Ar Ridwan pledge and did not witness it (i.e. Hudaibiya pledge of allegiance)?” Ibn 'Umar said, “Yes.” The man said, “Allahu Akbar!”

Ibn 'Umar said, "Let me explain to you (all these three things). As for his flight on the day of Uhud, I testify that Allah has excused him and forgiven him; and as for his absence from the battle of Badr, it was due to the fact that the daughter of Allah’s Apostle was his wife and she was sick then.

Allah’s Apostle said to him, "You will receive the same reward and share (of the booty) as anyone of those who participated in the battle of Badr (if you stay with her).’ As for his absence from the Ar-Ridwan pledge of allegiance, had there been any person in Mecca more respectable than Uthman (to be sent as a representative).

Allah’s Apostle would have sent him instead of him. No doubt, Allah’s Apostle had sent him, and the incident of the Ar-Ridwan pledge of Allegiance happened after Uthman had gone to Mecca. Allah’s Apostle held out his right hand saying, ‘This is Uthman’s hand.’ He stroke his (other) hand with it saying, ‘This (pledge of allegiance) is on the behalf of Uthman.’ Then Ibn 'Umar said to the man, ‘Bear (these) excuses in mind with you.’

From Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 48

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَلَّوْا مِنْكُمْ يَوْمَ الْتَقَى الْجَمْعَانِ إِنَّمَا اسْتَزَلَّهُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ بِبَعْضِ مَا كَسَبُوا ۖ وَلَقَدْ عَفَا اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ {155}

(As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Shaitan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3:155]

What is the purpose and gain for you to question the deeds of those who Allah (swt) has forgiven out of His Mercy?

Are you disappointed with Allah’s (swt) decision? Or are you accepting it grudgingly with some reservations deep in your heart.

@Ibn_Sadique

Salaam aqeel

I got the following from the Net:

Following extracts clearly show that Hz. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) was with the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the heat of the battle at the most critical time.

*At those awkward moments of that day, a group of Muslim heroes gathered around the Prophet [pbuh] forming a shield to protect him from the idolaters. Some of them were Abu Dujana, Mus‘ab bin ‘Umair, ‘Ali bin Abi Talib, Sahl bin Haneef, Malik bin — Sinan the father of Abu Sa‘îd Al-Khudri, Umm‘Amara, Nusaiba bint Ka‘b Al-Mâziniya, Qatada bin An-Nu‘man, ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab, Hatib bin Abi Balta‘a and Abu Talha.

Muhammad bin Maslamah brought him fresh water to drink. The Prophet [pbuh] drank and supplicated Allâh to provide him with good things. [As-Seerat Al-Halabiyah 2/30] Owing to the wounds and their bad effects on his body, the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] led his followers in prayer in a sitting posture and so did the Muslims. [Ibn Hisham 2/87]

When the preparations of the idolaters for departure came to an end, Abu Sufyan went up the mountain and called out: “Is Muhammad [pbuh] among you?” They did not answer him.

Then he asked “Is Ibn Abi Quhafah (i.e. Abu Bakr) among you?” They did not answer.

He asked again: “Is ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab among you?” They did not answer him; for the Prophet [pbuh] forbade them answering him.

He only asked about those three. That is because he and his people knew quite well that the call to Islam depended to a large degree on those men.

Abu Sufyan then said: “As for those three, we have relieved you of.” ‘Umar could not help but talking, so he said, “O enemy of Allâh, those whom you have just mentioned, I tell you that they are still alive. Allâh has maintained what you hate.”

Abu Sufyan answered: “The mutilation of your killed is something I did not order it; but it did not displease me.” Then he shouted: “Hubal (an idol), let it be sublime!” The Prophet [pbuh] said: “Why do you not reply?” “What shall we say?” They asked him. “Say: Allâh is more Sublime and Exalted and Mightier as well.”

He said: “Al-‘Uzza (i.e. an idol) is ours but you have no ‘Uzza.” “Why do you not reply?”

The Prophet [pbuh] said. “What shall we say?” They inquired. He said: “Say Allâh is our Protector, but you have no protector.”

Abu Sufyan said: “Well deeds! Today is a vengeance for Badr Day. This for that. War is attended with alternate success.” ‘Umar’s reply was: “No. They are not the same. Our killed men are housed in Paradise; but yours are in Fire.”

Then Abu Sufyan said: “Come on, ‘Umar!” The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] said: “Go and see what the matter is.”

He went there. Abu Sufyan asked him: “I beseech you by Allâh’s Name to tell me the truth: Have we killed Muhammad [pbuh]?” ‘Umar said: “O Allâh, ‘No’ and now he is listening to you words.” He said: “For me, you are more truthful than Ibn Qami’a, and even more reliable.” [Ibn Hisham 2/93,94; Za’d Al-Ma’ad 2/94; Sahih Al-Bukhari 2/579]

Ibn Ishaq said: When Abu Sufyan and those who were with him were leaving he called out notifying: “We will meet again at Badr next year.” The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] said to one of his men: “Say: ‘Yes, it is an appointment for both of us.’” [Ibn Hisham 2/94]

*witness-pioneer.org

*The Quraish charged with full force, but the Muslims held fast. Then in the counter attack the Muslims broke the enemy line, and the Quraish fell back. At this stage the contingent of the Muslim archers, contrary to instructions, left their position in order to plunder the camp of the retreating Quraish. Khalid who was still a non-Muslim, and was fighting on the side of the Quraish rushed with his contingent and occupied the position vacated by the Muslim archers. The Quraish rallied, and launched an attack on the Muslims both from the front as well as the rear.

In the confusion that followed, many Muslims were martyred. Even the Holy Prophet was wounded seriously, and he fell in a pit where many of his followers lay dead. Thereupon a cry rose from the ranks of the enemy that they had killed the Prophet of Islam.

When the news of the Holy Prophet’s death got wind, panic seized some of the Muslims, and thinking that all was over, they fled to Madina According to tradition when Umar heard the news that the Holy Prophet had died, he flung his arms declaring that it was no use fighting any longer.

It is related that Anas b Nadar passing by Umar asked him how it had fared with the Prophet. Umar replied that he had heard that the Prophet had been killed. Anas observed that the Prophet’s death should not prevent him from fighting in the way of Allah, for Allah was alive. Saying this Anas rushed at the infidels, and was martyred after having received seventy wounds.

Later, the Holy Prophet was found lying in a pit. At this stage Ali, Abu Bakr, Umar, Talha, Zubair, and Harith gathered round the Prophet, and removed him to a place of safety.

Abu Sufiyan the leader of the Quraish climbed a hillock and shouted, “Is Muhammad there?” The Holy Prophet asked his companions to remain quiet.

Abu Sufiyan then called for Abu Bakr and Umar. No reply was made, and thereupon Abu Sufiyan shouted, “All of them have been killed.’

At this Umar could not restrain himself, and shouted in reply, “O enemy of Allah, all of us are alive.”

Abu Sufiyan in a mood of exultation cried, “Hubbal glory to thee.”

Umar retorted, "Only Allah is Most High and Great.”

Abu Sufiyan said, “We have Uzza with us, and you have no lord.”

Umar retaliated, “Allah is our Lord, and you have no lord.”

When the two armies withdrew from the battle-field, seventy Muslims lay dead on the battle-field. In the battle the Quraish had the upper hand. They felt satisfied that they had avenged their defeat at Badr. The Quraish were in no mood to press their advantage to march to Madina. They chose to return to Mecca.*http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=220585094618158

Thanks bro

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

^ You are welcome

Peace, I don't understand, the questions asked by OP is quite straight-forward and it may be answered with 'Yes', 'No' and/or with details (with references if any) rather than stating each others as Sunni, Shia this that etc. As those who feel uncomfortable why a shia member raised this question. Let say a sunni member would like to know the answer of these questions. Now what? is that sunni member is spreading fitna??? And those who face lil bit difficulties answering these question are free on their own wills either to post/reply or NOT. Nobody forced them to reply. Lastly, pardon me writing this off-topic comments. No need to reply my post but if you wish to do, you are welcome to pm me. Again, I request you all let stay on OP's POV, answer in general, leave sunni shia a side (as OP didn't posted it as related to any sunni or shia). We seek knowledge lets have it. What is good take it what is not leave it.

Peace lethal kamikaze First of all allow me to commend you the way you are moderating over here – it is a very difficult and thankless task because I think, nay I’m quite sure that religious section generates most heat than any other section leaving Political section poor second, way behind.

Poster s here open threads for 2 reasons:

1) To gain knowledge or clear some doubts or misinformation they have.
2) To provoke others and get reaction from them.

A week ago a poster queried about list/names of Badri Sahabah (may Allah (swt) pleased with them all and reward them immensely): those who knew about the information provided it and with ‘Jazakallahs’ and ‘Thank yous’ the thread was done.

Brother Aqeel got inspired by the above thread and opened the thread about the Battle of Uhud, not only inquiring about list but wanted know about impact of the war; names of companions who stayed with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who ran away.

Unlike the query about Battle of Badr – Battle of Uhud has Shia/Sunni undertones/ implication because some Companions of The Prophet (peace be upon him) ‘ran’ away when they were ambushed from the rear.

That’s why there was no simple Yes & No answer.

This thread falls into the second category.

Brother Aqeel was well aware what he was doing and heat that is going to generate.

Dynamics of battle of Uhud can classified as follows:

1) The Muslim force numbering around 700 initially routed the Makkans numbering about 3000 forcing them to flee leaving all their possessions behind.

2) Some of the Muslims very over confidently sensing sudden victory gave up the chase and started collecting the war booty.

3) Importantly some of the archers whom the Prophet (peace be upon him) had tactfully assigned the task of manning the hillock and had expressly told them to hold their position abandoned it joining with others in collecting the war booty.

4) At this critical juncture, Hz Khalid ibn al-Walid (ra), (not having accepted Islam as yet) military genius that he was, saw the opportunity and exploited it well and with Hz. Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl (ra) (not having accepted Islam as yet) outflanked the Muslims and attacked with Calvary from the rear.

5) This unexpected attack caused a great confusion and panic among Muslims and scattered them all over. As the Makkan riposte strengthen many Muslims were killed, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was wouded, there was also rumour that The Prophet (peace be upon him) had been killed. Muslims regrouped and held the ground and repulsed the enemy away.

6) A small faction of Muslims was completely cut off and had to make its way back to Medina to seek refuge, many of these were killed. Hz. Uthman Bin Affan (ra) was among this group (who reached Medina.) Allah (swt) forgave 'misdeeds' of all the Muslims.

If Allah(swt) has forgiven them and the Qurannic ayahs is evidence of it - We as Muslims should accept this without any rancour or misgivings
*
(As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Shaitan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3:155]*

lethal kamikaze you are doing a great job – Headaches for you are part of ‘Moderatorship’. :)

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

Well, all you are asking for is a little bit of objectivity but sometimes it is too much to ask particularly from the 'religious' folks. Towards simple facts, they will resort to distortions, confusion, twist and everything else under the cloud to stretch and make it in compliance with their own set point of view or the world-view propagated by the mullahs who are already on someone's payroll.

Now on whose payroll are you? And whose agenda are you pushing? Leave the Mullahs alone they don’t own Islam.

Controlling history has been key to controlling the present and the future. Unfortunately history for us has more been like 'shush-tory'.

History always has two versions.

First version is always written by those who are in overwhelming majority thus having the ‘power’. They seem to have a bit of superiority complex and confidence and in themselves. They are the ones who mostly dictate the events in history by their action or inaction.
**
Second version *of history is always written by the fringe minority who seem to suffer from inferiority complex. To find solace and consolation in their ‘sidelined position’ they tend demonise the ‘Heroes’ of the Majority and giving deifying powers to their own Heroes and elevating them to divine levels. Believe you me, most of the distortions take place in this version of *'shush-tory' **

Islam is practiced by following commands of Allah (swt) from the Quran and Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him). This is sufficient. Nothing more and nothing less.

We don’t take Islam from *'shush-tory' *.

[aqeel123]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

^ You are welcome

Peace lethal kamikaze First of all allow me to commend you the way you are moderating over here – it is a very difficult and thankless task because I think, nay I’m quite sure that religious section generates most heat than any other section leaving Political section poor second, way behind.

Poster s here open threads for 2 reasons:

1) To gain knowledge or clear some doubts or misinformation they have. 2) To provoke others and get reaction from them.

A week ago a poster queried about list/names of Badri Sahabah (may Allah (swt) pleased with them all and reward them immensely): those who knew about the information provided it and with ‘Jazakallahs’ and ‘Thank yous’ the thread was done.

Brother Aqeel got inspired by the above thread and opened the thread not only inquiring about list but wanted know about impact of the war; names of companions who stayed with the Prophet (peace be upon him) and those who ran away.

Unlike the query about Battle of Badr – Battle of Uhud has Shia/Sunni undertones/ implication because some Companions of The Prophet (peace be upon him) ‘ran’ away when they were ambushed from the rear.

That’s why there was no simple Yes & No answer.

This thread falls into the second category.

Brother Aqeel was well aware what he was doing and heat that is going to generate.

I totally agree with the highlighted part... I knew people will be offended and some unrelated posts will be there but i chose to ignore them

I am 26 and i have heard about ohad often; mostly from shia fellows. A fact about this battle is that some sahaba escaped and were forgiven other fought bravely and didn't leave Prophet s.a.w alone in battle field.

Before opening this thread I might have header about this battle 100 times in my life time but because of sunni/shia issues i dont remember hearing a single name beside umar bin khatab running away from ohad. On the other hand i cud only recall few names (Imam Ali a.s, hazrat Abu Dajjana r.a and Hazrat Hamza a.s who was Martyred) that stayed with Prophet s.a.w and fought. Out of 700 people i didnt know about 7 people who stayed or ran away so i asked for more.

On the other hand i had a argument with a sunni friend about Khalid bin Waleed. He claimed that Khalid bin waleed didnt lose any war in his life time. Even the one he fought against Muslims.

Now if i mentioned Khalid bin waleed, more people wud have came forward and said we lost the war indeed. However it wasn't the case. I believe Muslims didnt let them succeed hence they lost. I wanted to know what others thought about the result of the war.

When i posted this thread i was originally here to ask about itekaaf and when i saw the thread related to Badr i thought of asking about ohad as well.

[shardmanny]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

there was no simple yes/no answers to the intial questions. even the terms used by op require alot of explaination the knowledge of which was not present in the questions

[shardmanny]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

**Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers.
Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

**Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.

we cannot look at this without looking at the religion (motivation) of those who refuse to forgive and accept them as believers

[aqeel123]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

**Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers. Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

**Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.

Can you please put the surah and ayya number.

[shardmanny]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

its two interpretions, pickthal/khan, of 3:152

aqeel please watch video to see the actual aqeedah of those continue to mock the verified believers

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

@aqeel123

I totally agree with the highlighted part… I knew people will be offended and some unrelated posts will be there but i chose to ignore them
I am 26 and i have heard about ohad often; mostly from shia fellows. A fact about this battle is that some sahaba escaped and were forgiven other fought bravely and didn’t leave Prophet s.a.w alone in battle field.
Before opening this thread I might have header about this battle 100 times in my life time but because of sunni/shia issues i dont remember hearing a single name beside umar bin khatab running away from ohad. On the other hand i cud only recall few names (Imam Ali a.s, hazrat Abu Dajjana r.a and Hazrat Hamza a.s who was Martyred) that stayed with Prophet s.a.w and fought. Out of 700 people i didnt know about 7 people who stayed or ran away so i asked for more.

Salaam Aqeel Thanks for the feedback – We are lucky in this day and age that we have the Internet. You must read as much from all versions of history so that you can get as much information as possible. Do not rely one source.

You must understand the dynamics of the Battle of Uhud.

1. Muslims routed the Makkans and the Makkans turned their heels and were on the run.

2. Muslims prematurely started celebrating the victory and let their guard down.

3. Some of the archers abandoned their strategic positions on the hillock against the express wishes of the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him)

4. Cavalry attack by Khalid bin Al Waleed scattered the Muslim army formation and Muslims were divided into 3 groups.

a) Those who were near the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) joined him

Following is the names of those were the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) And I have got it from a reputable Shia site.

http://www.al-islam.org/history/history/ohod.html

Note Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) is among them

Who remained with the Prophet (s)?

The companions fled away, concerned only with their own safety. History recorded seven exceptional Meccans (Ali, Abu Bakr, Abdul-Rahman Ibn Ouf, Saad Ibn Abu Waqass, Talhah Ibn Obeidah, Al-Zubeir Ibn Al-Awam, Abu Obeidah Ibn Al-Jarrah); And Seven exceptional Medi- nites (Al-Hubab Ibn Al-Munthir, Abu Dujanah, Sahl Ibn Huneif, Assim Ibn Thabit, Saad Ibn Mu ath, As-ad Ibn Hudheir or Saad lbn Abadah and Mohammad Ibn Musli- mah).

b) Those who fled from the Hz. Khalid bin Al Waleed’s and were pushed far away from Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) and were disheartened when heard the rumours of Prophet (saw) ’s death and later found their way back to him. Hz. Umar bin Al Khattab (ra) was from this group. In one of my previous posts I have quoted from Net about Hz. Umar (ra) answering back Abu Sufyan on Prophet (saw) ’s behest.

c) This group were completely cut out from main body of Muslims and only refuge for them was fleeing to Madinah – Hz. Uthman bin Affan (ra) was from this group.

@aqeel123

On the other hand i had a argument with a sunni friend about Khalid bin Waleed. He claimed that Khalid bin waleed didnt lose any war in his life time. Even the one he fought against Muslims.

Technically this is true – Hz. Khalid bin Al Waleed (ra) was exceptionally talented Military genius.
Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) honoured by the following title Sayf-Allah al-Maslul (the Drawn Sword of Allah)

@aqeel123

When i posted this thread i was originally here to ask about itekaaf and when i saw the thread related to Badr i thought of asking about ohad as well.

I hope that you find the following links useful.

**List of Shuhadah of Badr (Martyrs Of The Battle of Badr)

http://iqra.net/articles/muslims/badr.php
**
ASMÂ AHL BADR MUSLIM WARRIORS OF THE BATTLE OF BADR RADY ALLÂHU 'ANHU

Muslim Warriors of the Battle of Badr

MUSLIM MARTYRS OF THE BATTLE OF UHUD ASMĀ’ SHUHADĀ’ UHUD Rady Allāhu ‘Anhum

http://iqra.net/articles/muslims/uhud.php

I am sure you will find the following interesting.

The Battle of Uhud: Victory - Not Defeat

http://www.huda.tv/articles/prophet-muhammad/361-the-battle-of-uhud-victory-not-defeat

[Nussairee]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

its two interpretions, pickthal/khan, of 3:152

aqeel please watch video to see the actual aqeedah of those continue to mock the verified believers

plz use your head before trying to quote Quran......

[Nussairee]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

@shardmanny

**Therefore He made you flee from them, that He might try you. Yet now He hath forgiven you. Allah is a Lord of Kindness to believers.
Then He made you flee from them (your enemy), that He might test you. But surely, He forgave you, and Allah is Most Gracious to the believers

**Allah SWT calls them believers and is kind to them.

we cannot look at this without looking at the religion (motivation) of those who refuse to forgive and accept them as believers

very believable, isn’t it!
in case u have not watched already there r tens and hundreds of vdos of Sunnis turning Shia…Muslims turning Christians… meat-lovers turning vegetarians and so on on the internet…http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sunni+convert+to+shia&suggested_categories=22%2C1%2C27&nfpr=0

[shardmanny]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

nussairee do you a have religious point to make? if you do state it here, if not stay out

verse 152.....Allah did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,-until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you but He forgave you: For Allah is full of grace to those who believe.

[FairysAngel]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

@aqeel123

salam

Inspired by other thread “BADARI SAHABA RAA” i have two questions about ghazwa-e-ohad ?

1. Do we consider that war lost ? did muslims lost the war ?

2. Is there a list of Muslim mujahids who took part in the war. Is there a list of Sahaba’s who stayed with Prophet s.a.w when Kufaar’s came back and attacked again or is there a list muslims who ran away ?

Thanks

I was reading a book ‘Stories in Quran’ and found these information which I would like to share. Its only a short summary about the battle of Uhad and its classification is as under:

• 3rd Hijri
• Abu Sufiyan was the leader of its army i.e. Mushrakeen’s battalion.
• Hazrat Abbas R.A. sent a Letter about planning of war by Quraish to Prophet Muhammad .
• 5th Shawwal 3rd Hijri, Prophet Muhammad sent Hazrat Uns and Harzat Mons R.A. sons of Hazrat Aadi bin Fadhala R.A. for verification about war where they both informed that the battalion of Quraish reached at ‘Areedh’ (near madinah).
• On Friday night of 14th Shawwal 3rd Hijri Hazrat Saad bin Maaz, Hazrat Aseed bin Hadhir, Hazrat Saad bin Abadah R.A. alongwith some ‘Ansars’ given night duty in case if opponents attacked.
• Prophet Muhammad handed-over the flags to Hazrat Aseed bin Hadhir R.A., the flag of tribe Ows, Hazrat Habab bin Manzar R.A, flag of tribe Khizrij, and Hazrat Ali R.A. given flag of Muhajireen and went out with battalion of 1000 men.
• Prophet Muhammad saw a battalion coming towards them and He asked: who are they? Peoples replied: They are Jews allied with Abdullah bin Abi. The Prophet refused their assistance. They returned with 300 mens by saying that the Prophet didn’t accepted his advice.
• Some peoples of ‘Banu Salma’ from Khizrij tribe and ‘Banu Harsa’ from Ows tribe decided to accompany Abdullah bin Abi but Allah SWT fulfilled theirs hearts wih love of Islam so they stayed. Its mentioned in Surah Al-Imran.
• The battalion of Prophet Muhammad was 700. 100 were loaded with armour out of 600.
• The battalion of Quraish were 7000. 700 were loaded with armour, 200 horses, 3000 camels and 15 womens.
• When Prophet decided to retun youngers among them, Hazrat Rafieh bin Khadij R.A. stood on his toe to looks in equal height of others participant. This is how he was allowed. Hazrat Samrah R.A. told he can beat Hazrat Rafieh and he did. Both were allowed to participate.
• Quraish were reached at Uhud on Wednesday 12th Shawaal Hijri 2.
• The battalion of Prophet marched on 14th Shawwal Shawaal Hijri 2 after offering Friday prayers.
• Hazrat Bilal R.A. given Adhan of Fajr on Saturday 15th Shawaal Hijri 2 and they all offered their Fajer prayers then went at battle place i.e. Uhud.
• Hazrat Akasha bin Muhsin Asadi appointed at rightside, Hazrat Abusalma bin Abd al asad khizravi at leftside, Hazrat Abu Obaida bin Al jarah and Hazrat saad bin abi waqas in frontside and Hazrat Miqdad bin Umar at rear.
• Hazrat Abdullah bin Jabeer was appointed as Officer-in-charge of 50 archer and he was ordered to stay on hilllock and donot leave the spot in any circumstances.
• From Quraish side Khalid bin waleed appointed at rightside, Akarma bin Abu Jahl at leftside, equestrian were under the lead of Safwan bin Umaiya, Abdullah bin rabieh was the chief of archer. Talha bin Abu Talha from tribe bani abduldar was incharge of whole battalion.
• When Prophet saw the incharge of whole battalion is from tribe bani abduldar, He appointed from His side Hazrat Ma’asb bin Ameer R.A. incharge of His whole battalion.

Fights:

• Abu amir owsi chief of tribe owsi run-awayed from battle of uhud
• Talha bin abi talha killed by Hazrat Ali
• Usman bin abu talha killed Hazrat Hamza
• Sabagh Ghabshani killed by Hazrat Hamza

Some names of the Participants:

• Hazrat Abu Dajana R.A.
• Hazrat Saad bin Abi Waqas R.A.
• Hazrat Huzaifa R.A.
• Hazrat Uns R.A.
• Hazrat Kaab bin Malik R.A.
• Hazrat Haris bin Sama R.A.
• Hazrat Qatadah bin Nauman Ansari R.A.
• Hazrat Malik bin Sanaan R.A.
• Hazrat Umar R.A.
• Hazrat Aisha R.A.
• Hazrat Um Salim R.A.
• Hazrat Um Salit R.A.
• Hazrat hind R.a.
• Hazrat Um Umarah R.A. (original name Nasibah)
• Hazrat Zaid bin Asim R.A.
• Hazrat Amarah bin zaid R.A.
• Hazrat Abdullah bin zaid R.A.
• Hazrat Safia R.A.
• Hazrat Zubair R.A.

**Some names of Martyrs:
**

• Hazrat Hamza R.A. by a ‘Habshi’ by order of Jabeer bin Matam
• Hazrat Hanzala R.A. by Shadad bin Al-Aswad
• Hazrat Abdul bin Jabir R.A.
• Hazrat Yamaan R.A.
• Hazrat Maasab in Ameer by Ibn-e-qaima (Hazrat Maasab’s looks like Prophet Muhammad ). Ibn-e-qaima thought he actually Martyred Prophet (Naozbillah) and announced where upon the battalion of Muslim were fell a part into three (1) some run-aways and reached near Madinah (2) some stayed there (3) some were still fighting with enemies. Hazrat Kaab bin Malik announced that Prophet Muhammad is still alive where upon muslims rejoined and fighted again.
• Hazrat Uns bin Nazar
• Hazrat Sabit bin Wahdan by Khalid bin Waleed
• Hazrat Ziad bin Sakan alongwith five Ansars.
• A muslim martyr who was eating dates.
• Hazrat Umro bin Jamoh Al Ansari alongwith his son and his brother-in-law
• Hazrat Saad bin Al Rabeh

**Some Mushrakeen killed in this war were:
**

• Sawab
• Osman
• Abu Said
• Musafeh
• Talha bin Abi Talha
• Abi bin khalf maluoon
• Abu amir fasiq
• Kaab bin Ashraf

Total 70 Muslims were martyred. 4 were muhajarin and rest were was Ansar. 30 Kuffar were killed in this battle.

[Nussairee]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

nussairee do you a have religious point to make? if you do state it here, if not stay out

Shardmanny..selective reading can be a dangerous thing.....
U ve quoted me but u may or may not have noticed the context or reason I had referred to verse 152 which was to show that Uhud was not a defeat..........if u want to use the verse to prove a diff point then plz do not omit or skip verses related to the new point........I am not going to assume u deliberately did it......may b it was presented that way on some website that u got ur info from.........anyways.......for the point that u r trying to make suggesting all the Uhud participants were equals in faith then u r better to present extended set of grouped verses frm 149 to 155.........share with us ur observation about them......And we may go frm there....

[shardmanny]

Re: Ghazwa-e-Ohad

like i said, make your point here so we may all see it and see you