If you do not know than shut your mouth unless you know the exact reason why he did that and before agreeing with ahmadis.
nite.
Actually, I can list... on top of my head, more than two people who disrespected AnHazoor (saw).
Lets see; (1) one was the old lady I read about in class 5th who used to throw garbage on him whenever she had a chance, (2) Then it was Abu Jahal who being a scholar was pretty disparage in his speech, (3) not to mention Abu Lahab and his wife (4) I also remember a group of people who had the habit of putting the animal (actually camel) feeder on his back while he will be prostrating before Allah (5) and what about the people of Taif whom sent after him* lafangay* who stoned him out of the city with blood filled in his shoes.
Ok, I can list a few more but lets count how many .. more than a dozen? I am sure others can add to this endless list.
Explain to me why not even one of them was “ordered” to be killed?
Just for the sake of the argument if I believe all you & not nit pick your claim and consider fetahahmad, whom I respect a lot for his knowledge BTW, to be false regarding Kaab bin Ashraf, even then there are these storm of people who disrespected the Holy Prophet (saw) on a daily basis and they were spared. Not single evidence suggests that AnHazoor (saw) ever ordered or even wished for them to be harmed, let alone being killed.
So, common sense dictates that the true “Sunnah” of AnHazoor (saw) was not to kill the blasphemer, on the contrary he was always kind to them so they may change their mind (like the case of the old women who would throw garbage on him) and forgive them and pray for them that may Allah cure them of their ignorance, so maybe their children might come to the right path (like the case of the people of Taif).
And that’s is the true sunnah that I follow .. not the mob mentality of the trigger happy Mullah who consider themselves holier than the Holy Prophet (saw). NaozubillahMinZaliq!
Why don’t you tell me what he did instead of telling me to shut my mouth?
I agreed with him because according to my (sunni)source he was right!
by the way, behave.
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Why don't you tell me what he did instead of telling me to shut my mouth?
I agreed with him because according to my (sunni)source he was right!
by the way, behave.
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I am not the one who is doing cut and paste lenghty replies for defending point and now you are twisting again telling me to read that for you. if you are so interested go buy and read that book and then come here.
I said shut the mouth till you read it and you are so falmed ? Think about the ilam din. hints.
I’m not flamed. What made you believe so?
And I didn’t cut and paste lengthy articles, the only thing I posted were hadiths. If you don’t want to read my post then don’t. If you don’t agree with what I posted then ignore me. No need to get nasty with me.
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I'm not flamed. What made you believe so?
And I didn't cut and paste lengthy articles, the only thing I posted were hadiths. If you don't want to read my post then don't. If you don't agree with what I posted then ignore me. No need to get nasty with me.
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what is the point to ignore you ? and who is arguing with hadeeth you posted ?
you are arguing for a matter that you do not even know. How you are quoting then ? you have any idea what he wrote and who that was ? I said shut the mouth and you said behave. and his book title is Rangeela Rasool and you think he did right according to islam ?
shame.
I didn’t say what he did is right according to Islam. He was a Non-Muslim, right? and according to those who know him or have read about him he wrote this book insulting and making false claims about Muhammed :saw:'s character and life. IMO, he deserved the wrath of Allah but I don’t believe “we” are allowed to punish him just because he did that. If you think so then show me where it says we should kill anyone who mocks or disrespects our Prophet :saw:.
PS.
I don’t think it’s a correct attitude to tell someone to shut up so I told you to behave. If I wanted I could reply you in the same tone but I didn’t.
Anyways, I’m leaving.
Asslamualaikum.
Question, why do we pick the Sunnahs of prophet mohammad :saw:. Why we pick the Sunnahs that we like and reject the ones we dont consider worthy of being legitmate ? What I think, Prophet would have NEVER given the order to kill somone who would have disrespected him. WHY ? Prophet was the perfect being how could have done such thing ?
Ahamad, people might say that I am crazy, but do answer my this question or who ever says that Prophet doesnt teaches us to kill or say anything to that person who disrespects prophet mohammad :saw:
** What do you people do when someone curses your mother or father on your face ? What do you guys do when they keep on doing it purposely again and again ? What do you do when somone comes infront of your mothers and sisters and be vulgar with them? What do you guys do when/if the person writes a whole book of curses and disgusting things and i mean really really low things about your parents, What do you people do ? Smile back and say politely, please dont curse my parents and repent. YEA RITE !!!
You know what If you ask me what I would do ? I would mark my punch right on his eye and make sure that i dont miss it, for saying such things for my family. Then if somone would say anything close to that about my prophet saw? You dont want to know what I would do to that person.
So if any of you who says that we wont do anything if someone curses our parents,sisters then I must say all of you are lieing piece of…****. And when prophet mohammad saw is saying himself that ** The iman of a person is not complete until and unless they love me above their fathers,mothers,sisters and family. **
So, Mr. Ahamad I have a serious problem here ( and i know its only my problem no bodies else), that when people start loving their familes so much and would do anything for their loved ones and when it comes about the love for their dear prophet they bring in ’ Prophet Forgiveness’.
I call those people bunch of hypocrites.
Anyways, I really like the way you say Anh’Hzoor saw. I like the way it sounds.
-Salman
This thread is turned into a war zone by some stupid replies as well as some wise replies to some stupid replies..
umm so CA: what you quoted here is absolutely correct… I agree.. BUT let me tell u one more thing to keep the context of posted ahaadeeth altogether..
Blesphemy law in Islam can only be practiced by the authorities not by individuals… however, if there are no authorities as was in the case of Ghaazi Alam Deen Shaheed :rehm:, it becomes the duty of every muslim to kill the Fitnah before it grows.. and that’s what he:rehm: did..
At this point, I would like to know how many of you know about the fitnah of Muselima Kaddhaab and that if there was a war against him or not about his blesphemous remarks against the finality of the Rasoolulah:saw:** yaa musalmaan ‘tolerate tolerate’ kar kay hee mar gaye thay???.. I wanna know…:)**
(what makes me sad is the exxageration of the concept of tolerence… “There is no tolerence against OPPRESSION and Fitnah”)
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Mr. Anwar Querishi,
War against Musailmah was waged because of his atrocities against the Muslims. Lets take one case:
After his claim of prophethood, Musailmah encountered Habeeb bin Zaid and Abdullah bin Wahb Aslami, two of the Companions of the Holy Prophet, and having captured them, he asked them to acknowledge his prophethood. Abdullah yielded to his persuasion and became an apostate, but Habeeb stoutly resisted and Musailamah had him cut up limb by limb and then burned him.
Do you still think that he was punished only because of blasphemy and not because of his barbaric acts.
Mr Fateh Ahmed
if war against muslaima was only due to atrocities then why hadrat abu bakr raziallah o unho waged war aginst munkereen e zakat , why sahbah razi alla waged war aginst uswas unsi . Mr the only reason was he claimed to be prophet , which was aginst the finality of Anhz Salalaho alihay wasulum
Mr. Afeef_Bhai,
We are currently discussing the punishment for blasphemy and not for munkar-e-Zakat or anything else. Musailman first of all killed innoncent muslims and then defy the authority of central government thus commiting the crime of creating Anarchy. There are so many crimes of that person and How can you claim that he was killed just because he claimed prophethood?
SalmanNY,
If someone curses my parents, I might give him a punch or smile depending on my mood, but I sure wouldn't justify beating him up through Islam.
If you want to kill the person who curses the prophet, go ahead. But don't drag Islam or the innocent Holy Prophet (saw) in it. Don't destroy his Holy pristine image by claiming that you did it out of his love or because that's what Islam teaches you to do. Because Allah knows that even in the gravest of insults AnHazoor (saw) always showed patience. He only taught his followers love and compassion, tolerance and prayers!! And he picked up the sword when Allah commanded him to do so and even then he cried for those who were lost.
I consider those people who destroy AnHazoor (saw) beautiful image with their cruel and inhumane act and then justify their over zealous anger (which BTW is haraam in Islam) which they can't control by claiming to be the followers of his Sunnah, the most blasphemous of them all!
Br. Fateh,
Don't get dragged into their circular discussions. Soon they will be talking about yazeed, then Isreal and soon enough nuclear arms. You should know by now that they have little know how about how to carry on a discussion.
Yeh waqiyaaa kis city me hua.like which place Ilm Deen belong too.
And I hope you or anybody else wouldn’t mind. I am mentioning something off topic. If Quaid took his case, than HE(Quaid) was not LIKE
people(Kawasjee) portrays that he was.
Some people here try to tell us that Quaid was a secular and
kind of like Gandhi. Than why did he took Ilm Deen case.
Taking his case tells us a lot of Quaid and his thinking.
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Yeh waqiyaaa kis city me hua.like which place Ilm Deen belong too.
And I hope you or anybody else wouldn't mind. I am mentioning something off topic. If Quaid took his case, than HE(Quaid) was not LIKE
people(Kawasjee) portrays that he was.
Some people here try to tell us that Quaid was a secular and
kind of like Gandhi. Than why did he took Ilm Deen case.
Taking his case tells us a lot of Quaid and his thinking.
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Brother rehman, Ghazi Ilm Din rehmatullah was from lahore.
ABOUT THE OFFTOPIC
Dr safdar MAhmood have clearly proved dr mubarak , kawasjee and others wrong that quaid was seculer. His books are a must read.
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*Originally posted by afeef_bhai: *
Brother rehman, Ghazi Ilm Din rehmatullah was from lahore.
ABOUT THE OFFTOPIC
Dr safdar MAhmood have clearly proved dr mubarak , kawasjee and others wrong that quaid was seculer. His books are a must read.
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Assalam Aleekum
I read an article by Safdar Mahmood dated 14th Aug 03. This article
tells us a lot about Quaid's personality.
Thanks for the information.
this website have some of dr safdars books..
Along with JJ 's naat …
Assalam Aleekum
Thanks for the article’s web address.I did saved It from Jangs website
lekn tekh save nahee huaa word per. This one is perfect.
I don’t listen to Naats.But thanks.
take care
Brother rehman, if you still dont know about Gazi ilam din shaheed, Or want to know more about him, let me know i have this book if i can find it i will mail it to you.
Dude dont put words in my mouth, I am simply saying one should have the same love and respect as they posses for their childerns,wives sisters and family. You dont have to go and slit the throat of the person right away. The least you can do is raise your voice against that person, do something so the Kuffar can know that the Zammeer of muslims are not dead.
So they can know that they still respect their prophet. It will be an idiot who will just go on and kill somone; if something very small is said about An’hazoor. BUT after various warnings, if the person still plays with the respect of prophet mohammad :saw: and goes out starts publishing books about how prophet did such and such to his family, one SHOULD NOT sit back cowardly and say** " Because prophet taught me to be forgiving so ’ Ja bacha I forgive you for cursing my prophet its no biggie, you have just cursed my prophet and prophets mothers and sisters, no Problem. "**
But when its ones mother or sister, and somone raise a finger in the public and keeps on doing that YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SIT BACK. NO BODY DOES !!!
Yea, and you remain calm when people like Raj Paul write a book Rangeela Rasool What you do ? Just sit back and relax and not only that, tell others to do the same ? Nice going brother
^^ I know it bites !!! And stop talking crap. Since you have so much knowldge you should keep your nose in other very knowldgeable threads dont waste your time with stupid people like me, bohot Mehrbaani Ho Gi Apki.