Re: Ghamdi on Hazrat Isa (AS)
@ Numb bhai
Best of Creation? Best maybe in having a straight walk, able to speak, hear, eat etc. Yeah no doubt, but Best in deeds? No, even lower than the animals you mentioned!
Because I'm a human it doesn't mean I'm superior over Allah's creation!
Mera bhai Numb, people are the Best of Creation not my words Allah’s words, and we are not better than animals because of the things you mention. Some animals can see better than us, others hear and smell better than us. We can speak but other animals can fly.
We are better than animals because we are conscious of our design purpose and able to seek forgiveness if we go against the law. Animals cannot break their code of life. We are better if we choose good and worse than animals if we choose bad. Anyway I wasn’t talking about me or you we are possibly worse kind of people, but I was talking about Maryam (AS) the best of the female gender of the Best of Creation. You are saying that she developed a male by asexual reproduction a feature of lower animal life forms and then you claim it is rational to believe this. Did you know that asexual reproducers are either all female or they switch gender. Now neither Maryam (AS) switched gender nor is Isa (AS) a female.
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Why shall I make a exception? I need the documentary of the Qur'an that a man can leave the world alive!
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The reason why I asked you to make exception is because you have made an exception already for virgin births, so on the same merit there could be a very rare law of God that allows people to rise to heaven. Now you want evidence in the Qur’an that shows people can leave this world alive. Okay … apart from being stated in the actual verse where Isa (AS) is taken up, it is also stated in another verse … Surah 55 Ayat 33
O company of jinn and men, if ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth; then penetrate (them)! Ye will never penetrate them save with (Our) sanction.
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I mean, investigating you and your counter arguments show me that you don't believe what you post but utter words of your forefathers and so called Ulema who say that divorce is legit even if wife didn't hear it!
When it's mentioned that all human being have to return to Allah, from where come your Scholars and your different intepretation? To understand Religion my friend you also need to see what is happening around you, not just to open a book and read it!
This is why Allah has given you a brain. To make you think about this World, not to live for yourself but fulfil all the duties laid upon us. This is why Allah says don't read the Qur'an, study it, for it has countless blessings waiting for you!
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Off topic … No other comment
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I cannot make a exception, because I have too many reasons you and your fellow simply ignore ALL THE TIME!
I list it for you step by step and then we see if you can answer or not, don't try to use the backdoor, please. Stand up and speak for your belief, otherwise it is no belief, but a lie to yourself and you hurt yourself with it!
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Okay these terms are acceptable to me.
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Objection one!
- If Isa (ra) returns - A Prophet to the House Israel - he will not break the Seal, but when a man Man from the Muslim Ummah will be raised, it will be broken!
is this just?
Please explain this contradicition!
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The seal of prophethood is linked with the covenant of Ibraham (AS). In this covenant Ibrahim (AS) is told that he will have a legacy of prophets in his progeny. This legacy ended with Muhammad (SAW). No more prophet will be born into this world. A sign for this is that Muhammad (SAW) had no male heir.
The other aspect is that of revelation. Scriptural revelation has ended with the advent of Qur’an. The return of Isa (AS) means that he will not be born in to the world after Muhammad (SAW) and that he will not receive any scriptural revelation. Hence our belief in Masih does not break the Seal, but the Ahmadiyya concept breaks both aspects of the Seal that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Saahib was born and he received scriptural revelation. Additionally it appears too similar to reincarnation which is a non-Islamic concept.
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Objection Two:
All Prophets have a Mission. From well documented History and from the Bible we find that Isa (ra) always said that he was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel, he was not sent to change the laws of the Tora, but to revive the old teachings which had been lost over the year by greedy and brutal leaders! He was a thorn in their eyes. The jews accused him of abrogating their law (like the muslims accuse ahmadies, what a random function ) and forced the Roman Empire to cruxify him!
Now if we think, that Allah had lifted him up, his Mission would remain unfulfilled!
Does that make sense? Now your rational thinking comes into the game!
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Numb many prophets were unsuccessful in sorting out their people. Nuh (AS), Lut (AS), and Yahya (AS) are but three examples. It does not mean their missions are not fulfilled. According to the Bible now I am talking about the whole Bible not just the New Testament, the Messiah will be a military leader and deliver the Jews from the clutches of the Romans. However, in the New Testament clarification is given that he has two missions, the first one is just for the House of Israel so they conform to their own scriptures and nature of the religion. The second part is that military mission that will be fulfilled on “sheep of a different fold”. Ahmadis interpret this to mean the people of the Kashmir region, but I believe it to mean the Muslim Ummah in a time near Judgement Day.
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Objection Three:
Muhammad Mustafa (saw) called the Meccan Mosque the last Mosque on this Earth!
Still Mosques were built in the entire World.
contradiciting that no one said anything against Mosque built in the entire World, but the defenders of Islam say that when Muhammad Mustafa (saw) said he is the last Prophet no one can come after him. Then why did 1000 of Mosques come after the "Last Mosque built in the World"?
Answers please. I have many more objections, but to that later!
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Numb bhai, this is either a fabrication or a gross misunderstanding, without you citing the reference of this I cannot say anything.
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Objection Four:
My Rational Test goes to All
Allah and Muhammad Mustafa (saw) declared the lives of ALL human beings as SACRED
Now a Prophet comes who will kill the swine and break the cross
that would mean bloodshed and violence!
does that make sense?
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Numb bhai, it is not of our concern to question the wisdom in prophecies unless we can substantiate that there is foul play in the narration. To answer the rational question you simply need to read about the story of Khidr (AS). He kills a boy who has done no wrong and Musa (AS) questions him.
In your question the killing of swine you state that it will cause human bloodshed. You also state that human life is sacred. In fact all life is sacred and particular importance is given to the life of humans and even more importance is given on the life of believers. If by killing an animal that causes harm to the souls of people is considered a bad thing by you then I don’t understand why you think this is not rational? Also, it is not necessary that people will need to get involved. With one du’a Isa (AS) could have the swine killed without harming any human being. Please read the New Testament, Isa (AS) has already killed swine before. There is a man who is possessed by many Jinn, they call themselves Legion, he prays hard and all of those demons go in to swine and the pigs go mad and drown themselves in the river.
