Some questions about Ghadir Khumm
- Where is this place located?
- What importance it holds?
- Does Quran, Ahadith or History speaks about this place?
What is ghadir khumm? I would give some information, if I knew what that word(s) is.
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Watcher - what can anyone expect from you about Islam.
You only knows things that have been drilled into yr head by yr Umayah masters.
Gadir Khum is that blessed place where the holy prophet (pbuh) - under strict commandment from Allah (swT) "And if you do not tell forth this command, then it will be as if you have done nothing for the Risalat"
told an audience of tens of thousand who were parked in the middle of the desert under the heat of Arabia -
"That for whomsoever I am the Master, Ali today is his Master"
Upon which the Lord Almighty declared " And today, I have completed yr religion for you, and have named it Islam"
i.e Before this command by the holy apostle was issued, the religion was IN-COMPLETE
Amazing, we call ourselves muslims and we don't even know what the foundations of this deen are.
Check this out and search the internet for “Ghaddir humm”: http://www.hal-pc.org/~crusader/ISWEB/wilayat1.htm
You will find what you want to know.
Gadir Khum is that blessed place where the holy prophet (pbuh) - under strict commandment from Allah (swT) "And if you do not tell forth this command, then it will be as if you have done nothing for the Risalat"
told an audience of tens of thousand who were parked in the middle of the desert under the heat of Arabia -
"That for whomsoever I am the Master, Ali today is his Master"
Upon which the Lord Almighty declared " And today, I have completed yr religion for you, and have named it Islam"
i.e Before this command by the holy apostle was issued, the religion was IN-COMPLETE
Amazing, we call ourselves muslims and we don't even know what the foundations of this deen are.
Ali Haq Imam
And what things are those? Sir, I always put forth references in my all posts from QURAN and sunnah. I have not seen that happening from your side. You saying if somethings are drilled into my heads does not mean anything and won’t mean anything. It does not make you any right or better than me. Follow quran not your hearts. Face the truth not flee the truth.
What is this deal with umayahs ulimah? Why don’t you stop judging me according to your standards sir.
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still did not answer my question about what is ghadir khumm? Please do provide references, it will help. Thank, take it easy sir.
PS: If you wanna pick fights, with your tone it seem as if you really want to than I have news for you, I do not become an idiot with an idiot.
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Originally posted by a1shah:
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Amazing, we call ourselves muslims and we don't even know what the foundations of this deen are.**
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I don't believe there is amazement from the Sunni camp. There is no concept of dynastic progression of the Prophecy in the Orthodox Islam. If that is not true, then before Hazrat Ali was ever declared the master, Prophets (sws) sons wouldn't have been taken by Allah (sbwt). Sunni's amazement is on the thought that somebody, knowing what happened to the Prophet's (sws) sons and his (sws) comments to his daughter to not belive that she would go to the janna because she is the Rasool's (sws) dauther, would actually believe that the Prophet (sws) would actually declare someone to take care of business.
Anyway this is a moot point and only to cause noise. Both Sunnis and Shias are very firm in their beliefs and should move on from their stands on this issue and actually discuss issues that both, together, can solve.
Janu;
And what surprise is there in the holy prophet (pbuh) declaring a vicegerent after him ?
After all, every prophet had previously declared or gave indications of the one to come after them.
The sunnis have no problem for Abu Baker giving the leash of Caliphate to Umar and him to Usman, but it sure stabs them when Imam Ali (as) is the one who was and is the righteous Imam of the Ummat.
What do the sunnis accept - that the holy prophet (pbuh) who was incharge of the deen of Allah (swt) would trust its future to a bunch of thugs.
If it weren't for the holy imams, sunnis would have no one but the likes of Yazid as their hero - or is he already their hero ?
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If you want to talk about dynastys, why not mention Hazrat Ibrahim passing on the prophethood to his sons, Hazrat Ismail and Isaac ? Why limit it our holy prophet (pbuh).
Prophethood and Imamat are ordained by Allah (swt) only. There is no "it is hard for the sunnis to believe" type of crap that should be involved.
The Umayads were power hungry. They hated the prophet (pbuh) high distinction and they sure weren't going to see the Imamat being passed on to the ahl bait.
Simple, and in line with the thugs true nature.
Ali Haq Imam
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Originally posted by a1shah:
**Gadir Khum is that blessed place where the holy prophet (pbuh) - under strict commandment from Allah (swT) "And if you do not tell forth this command, then it will be as if you have done nothing for the Risalat"
told an audience of tens of thousand who were parked in the middle of the desert under the heat of Arabia -
"That for whomsoever I am the Master, Ali today is his Master"
Upon which the Lord Almighty declared " And today, I have completed yr religion for you, and have named it Islam"
i.e Before this command by the holy apostle was issued, the religion was IN-COMPLETE
Amazing, we call ourselves muslims and we don't even know what the foundations of this deen are.
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A1shah and others..One thing I do not like from you guys is you quote thing without refernces. secondly you pick one line from a 4 line sentence and try to prove you point from one line quote by Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) and and thirdly you dont see the sermon as whole in context in which it was deliverd.
Stop twisting and playing with word of Quran and Hadith and start reading the whole Hadith and Quran and try to understand meaning of Hadith in broad meanings.
All I could say is may Allah guide you to right path and show you the truth of Islam. It is Allah and only Allah who can give guidance to whoever he pleases.
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Hey A1shah you arent the same as A11shah?
If you are welcome back!
About the place All that A1shah said is about Ghadeer-e-qum!
P.S A1shah wht did you change the nick?
The question by rag.tag.boy was about Ghadr-e-Qum, and the response was provided by a1shah and others.
I don't think it is appropriate to start a shia-sunni tirade on this topic.
The term was also new to me, as it is primarlity and undoubtedly a part of shia faith. So if Watcher or anyother didn't knew about it, there is no point in picking up on them for this. We must realize that we are just students of Islam and surely do not have complete knowledge about everything.
This should make us more careful and we should not criticize anyone for asking simple questions. If we know or don't know the answer doesn't mean that we are superior or inferior muslims.
Adios!
insaaniat i have given many references..and after that i dont hear anything from anyone..why is that? u are right we should give references
see pristine one of the most important part of my faith is not known to you guys and you still claim to know about what is wrong with me! when will you(watcher and co.) guys open your eyes!
The credibility of one's accuracy regarding Quran and refrences, must be kept in mind, specially when quoting from the Quran. Show me where in Quran it says what you have quoted:
Posted by A1shah:
"That for whomsoever I am the Master, Ali today is his Master"
Questioning your credibility was because of your previous history regarding serious issues and events in the history of Islam. Secondly, your quotation
Upon which the Lord Almighty declared " And today, I have completed yr religion for you, and have named it Islam"
is way off the line. It had nothing to do with what you have associated it with. And by the way your translation is also incorrect. The right translation is:
"This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." (5:3)
When quoting from the Quran one must be very careful in regards to addition and subtraction of words. This verse was the last one chronologically revealed to the Prophet Muhammad SAW marking the completion of Quran. Emphasizing on the fact that Islam is complete and is NOT open for additions and subtractions.
Another thing, when addressing Sahabas and Sahabiyats, one must pay respect. I think if u can use RA for Hazrat Ali, you surely can use that for Hazrat Umer (PBUH) and Hazrat Usman (PBUH) and Hazrat Abu Bakr (PBUH)as well. They are not your childhood friends rather major figures of Islamic history.
Posted by A1Shah:
The Umayads were power hungry. They hated the prophet (pbuh) high distinction and they sure weren't going to see the Imamat being passed on to the ahl bait.
And how do u know Umayads were power hungry did they whisper it to you? Ahl e bait Ahl e bait! You can seriously sit here and tell me u care about Ahl e Bait, after having made the kind of comments that u did about Hazrat Ayesha (PBUH)? Ahl e Bait includes the Prophet SAW's wives, father in laws, friends, everyone who was there in that point and time. Get your figures straight.
I have NEVER said there is anything wrong with you. Did I (or do you)?
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Ofcourse I don’t know EVERYTHING about shiites. What to talk about shiites, I don’t even know EVERYTHING about sunnis as well. I am just a student of Islam, just as I presume you are. And we are learning of new things all the time. And that is one of the purposes of my visiting these forums.
I was just pointing out that rediculing to someone who asks a simple question is probably not the right strategy. We have all got the answer.
BTW, I have checked 3:67, and so far have found no reference to Ghadir Khumm in any of the religious books I have. I am continuing my research, but it seems, this incidence is only available in shia books/websites and not in any other book on Islam. Still it could have happened (only I am not able to verify it) and Allah Knows Best. Stay cool!
Adios!
yaar desert fox,
Let pristine do research and seek truth himself. Just chill. He is a sensible guy. Just give him references because he has an urge to understand, ignore the weirdos like watcher.
adios!
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shair.
I would love to talk about my faith! The shock that came to me was that Watcher claims to know every bad thing about us(when there are none unless you think Quran is bad)and when the most important thing was asked about us.Watcher did not know! How can he claim shais are bad when he does not know anything about us(other than his fake stories inspierd by Greek myths, hindu tales and cristain saints!) Watcher really is a weirdo(a weirdo with a big fat mouth)
You know pristine there really is nothing different between us than We are followers of Ahle-bayt and you are with the Sahabas!!!
I promised you guys I am continuing my efforts about Ghadir Khumm. I finally got something. The reason I was having problem was bcz I didn’t have the spelling correct (Khum or Khumm, whatever). Anyway, I got something.
My shia brothers, I have no problems with your beliefs on what happened, as you have been told about those events by the scholars you trust, which is fine.
The link below provides some info on Ghadeer Khum. Actually Ghadeer is the name of a well in a place between Makkah and Madeenah which is called Khum.
This is for the benefit of those sunni brothers and sisters who were intially confused about the title and wanted to know more. One version of this incident was already provided by A1shah. This is the sunni version.
Adios!