Ghadeer khum sermon and Ummah divide

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Re: Ghadeer khum sermon and Ummah divide

@muqawwee123

Whatever may be the interpretation, followers failed to respect this message leading to various incidents of atrocities towards family of the Prophet.

No denying, infact blame game aginst hazrat Ali r.a. started even before the departue of holy prophet. Sunnis claim that is the reason holy prophet gathered people at ghadeer e khum to advise them to not to go against his family.

Why are you looking for non-Muslim scholars? Will you accept what Lesley Hazleton wrote in ‘After the Prophet’? The issue with Muslim history is that it was written at least a century after Prophet’s death and western scholars also have to rely on such sources.

Reason is simple. in addition to other points in this post, shia people do give references from sunni ahadih selectively but they dont approve other ahadith even if a hadith pass the strict criteria set by imam bukhari. Instead, they dont even tell their audience what is postitive written about hazrat umar(r.a.) and hazrat ameer muawia(r.a.) in their own books like nehjal balagha or alkafi.

Don’t know what do you mean by ‘unaddressed by Shia school of thought’? But I believe they have more material on succession matter than Sunni Muslims. Even Maududi’s ‘Khilafat o Mamlookiyat’ is more acknowledged in Shia factions than in Sunni scholars.

You wont see a sunni saying that war of camel didnt take place, they do acknowledge the ahadith in muslim sharif regarding hazrat umar r.a. approach house of hazrat fatima r.a. but what they say is, it not upto us to decide. I personally not sure what to do here.
I know shia children are taught logic from day one, but that is for defending shia version which is based on emotions just like sunnis hate to see their version being questioned. my experience is shia loose patience while debating.
People with moderate view point like maulana maududi are declared munafiq by shia and rafidi by sunnis. Shia demand claiming why maududi did not “abused” sahaba while knowing and writing about their wrong doings. Same is true for many sunnis as they would hate to listen anything against sahaba.

going by what is written in the history, mistakes of hazrat usman(r.a.) are mentioned so is about hazrat ali(r.a.). Its not my belief but would it not make better case of malookiat if holy prophet had asked ummah to make hazrat ali(r.a.) leader and he would do mistakes like not doing justice for murderer of hazrat usman (r.a.), as history also say murderers of hazrat usman joined hazrat ali’s army? an account written in nehjal balagha suggests the same.

May be its not about the size of audience, it is more about representative audience. Who were the audience at Ghadeer e Khum? Were all the three caliphs who preceded Hazart Ali present there?. If they heard the sermon at Ghadeer, then I believe the message was conveyed to the representatives. The incidents just after prophet’s death like power struggle at Bani Saqaf said there were some motives for not getting issue of succession clarified from the Prophet, when it was time to do so.

all the representatives were not there atleast hadith does not mention the names of prominent sahabas, neither the sources approved by shia nor by sunnis. One poster here said hazrat bilal(r.a.) announced that holy prophet would give that sermon while another popular shia version is holy prophet stopped at ghadeer khum then he sent for all people who have been ahead in the way, to come back and waited until all pilgrims who fell behind, arrived and gathered.
but question remain why majority didnt deserve to take this important sermon.