German plane crash: Copilot under medical conditions involved

Surprised we havent got a thread for yet but here we are. Summary is that the recording of crashed plane two days back revealed that the pilot was locked out of cockpit while the co-pilot for still inside and apparently was breathing normally. He didnt open the door and push the button to make the plane dive resulting in crash.

Now, as more is digged in, they found that the copilot had a medical history which he hid from airlines.

And this whole thing is making the air travel so scary now. People would hv less trust now, not that they have any choice though.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/world/europe/germanwings-crash-andreas-lubitz.html?emc=edit_na_20150327&nlid=50181468

Co-Pilot in Germanwings Crash Hid Medical Condition From Employer, Prosecutors Say

By MELISSA EDDY, DAN BILEFSKY and NICOLA CLARKMARCH 27, 2015

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Flowers at the monument in memory of the 150 victims of the Germanwings crash in Le Vernet, in the French Alps, on Friday. CreditAlberto Estevez/European Pressphoto Agency

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — Documents show that Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot who is believed to have deliberately crashed a Germanwings jet into the French Alps on Tuesday, had a medical condition that he hid from his employer, prosecutors here said on Friday.
Prosecutors said that among the items found at Mr. Lubitz’s home was a doctor’s note excusing him from work on the day of the crash, and another note that had been torn up. These documents “support the preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues,” the prosecutors said in a statement.

The German investigators said they had not found a suicide note or “any indication of a political or religious” nature among the documents from Mr. Lubitz’s apartment. “However, documents were secured containing medical information that indicates an illness and corresponding treatment by doctors,” Ralf Herrenbrück, a spokesman for prosecutors in Düsseldorf, said in a statement.

The Federal Aviation Office of Germany said on Friday that a medical certificate issued to Mr. Lubitz that allowed him to fly noted that he had a medical condition, although it did not specify whether it was related to a psychological issue.

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Prosecutor Says Co-Pilot ‘Hid Illness’

Prosecutor Says Co-Pilot ‘Hid Illness’

The German state prosecutor, Christoph Kumpa, said the preliminary investigation into Andreas Lubitz indicated that the Germanwings Airbus A320 co-pilot hid an existing illness from his employer.
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Investigators have been combing through Mr. Lubitz’s background, including whether he might have had a history of depression or psychological problems. They are also looking into potential financial troubles or difficulties in his personal relationships.
Prosecutors said that a thorough assessment of the documents as well as further questioning would take several days.
Mr. Lubitz, 27, is believed to be responsible for slamming Germanwings Flight 9525 into a mountainside in the French Alps on purpose, killing all 150 on board, while en route to Düsseldorf from Barcelona, Spain. Prosecutors are examining several theories, including that the crash was a suicide or a mass murder.
In Mr. Lubitz’s hometown, Montabaur, people who knew him or his parents said that the co-pilot had a girlfriend who had gone with her family to a hotel to escape the news media. The people declined to be identified and said they did not want to be quoted further, to protect the privacy of the family.

Markus Niesczery, a spokesman for the Düsseldorf police, said on Friday that there was a second name on the doorbell of Mr. Lubitz’s apartment in the city, but he declined to elaborate. “It is not clear whether this means that another person is living at this residence,” Mr. Niesczery said.

On Thursday, the French prosecutor leading the investigation said the evidence from the cockpit voice recorder suggested that Mr. Lubitz, a former flight attendant with a passion for flying, had locked the pilot out of the cockpit and deliberately set the plane on its lethal descent.

The crash claimed victims from more than a dozen countries, including Germany, Spain and the United States.
Police officers and rescue workers on Friday continued to search the site of the crash for victims’ remains, along with other clues and DNA that could help them identify those who died in the crash.

In an interview with the French broadcaster i-Télé, Prime Minister Manuel Valls of France said it was incumbent upon Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, to reveal as much information as possible to help “understand why this pilot got to the point of this horrific action.”

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Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the Germanwings jetliner that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday, ran a half marathon in Hamburg, Germany, in 2009.CreditFoto-Team-Mueller, via ReutersHe said that no theory for what happened could be discarded, and that the authorities were still determining how to characterize what had happened and whether it was “criminal,” “crazy” or “suicidal.”

Separately, President Joachim Gauck of Germany attended a memorial service in Haltern am See on Friday for the 16 high school students and two teachers who died in the crash, German news reports said. He was accompanied by the state premier of North Rhine-Westphalia, Hannelore Kraft. He was also to meet with friends and families of the victims.

Carsten Spohr, the chief executive of Lufthansa, said on Thursday that Mr. Lubitz had passed the company’s health checks with “flying colors.”

“He was 100 percent flightworthy, without any limitations,” Mr. Spohr said.
But he said there had been an instance six years ago when Mr. Lubitz took a break from his training for several months. He said that if the reason was medical, German rules on privacy prevented the sharing of such information. Mr. Spohr said the revelation of Mr. Lubitz’s actions had left him stunned.
Some international airlines responded to the crash by introducing new rules requiring that two crew members always be present in the cockpit, after the French prosecutor revealed that Mr. Lubitz had locked the plane’s pilot out of the cockpit before starting the deadly descent. The airlines that said they were instituting a two-person rule in the cockpit included Air Canada, easyJet and Norwegian Air Shuttle.
All German airlines will introduce that requirement, the German aviation association said on Friday.
Thomas Winkelmann, the head of Germanwings, however, expressed doubt that such a rule would have prevented Tuesday’s crash.

“I ask myself, when a person is so bent on committing a criminal act, whether that is preventable, if for example a stewardess or steward is in the cockpit,” Mr. Winkelmann told the German public broadcaster ZDF on Thursday.
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“The suffering and pain this catastrophe has caused is immeasurable,” he was quoted as saying in a message posted on Twitter by Germanwings on Friday. “No words can express it and no amount of consolation is sufficient.”

Investigators are still trying to understand why the pilot left the cockpit, although most airlines allow it during noncritical phases of flight. There are no regulations requiring that a second crew member be present in the cockpit when one pilot leaves, usually for physiological reasons. The French prosecutor, Brice Robin, said it was reasonable to assume the pilot left the cockpit to use the toilet.
Members of a flight crew would typically use a numeric code to open the door if someone in the cockpit could not or would not let them in. The pilot would have known the code, Mr. Spohr said. However, the co-pilot could have activated a switch that prevents the door from opening for five minutes, or he could have found some other way to block the door, Mr. Spohr said.

Mr. Robin said that the Germanwings flight had begun prosaically, with polite exchanges between the two pilots as the flight began its course to Düsseldorf.
However, about a half-hour into the flight, he said that Mr. Lubitz appeared to have locked out the pilot of the plane and did not let him back in, prompting the pilot to demand access. Investigators, citing the plane’s voice recorder, said they could hear the sound of someone trying to break down the door.
Mr. Robin said the plane’s voice recorder showed that Mr. Lubitz was breathing normally in the moments leading up to the crash, indicating that he had deliberately crashed the plane.
The State Department confirmed on Thursday that a third American, Robert Oliver, had been on board the aircraft.

Mr. Oliver, 37, had been working for more than four years for Desigual, a fashion company based in Barcelona, where he was tasked with steering the company’s expansion in Germany, including finding locations for new shops. Another Desigual employee, Laura Altamira, also died in the crash.
Mr. Oliver was married and had two children. His father had moved to Spain more than 40 years ago, said Cristina Gispert, a spokeswoman for Desigual.
American officials said on Friday that the F.B.I. was sending a team to France to join the inquiry.
Melissa Eddy reported from Düsseldorf, and Dan Bilefsky and Nicola Clark from Paris. Alison Smale contributed reporting from Berlin, Jack Ewing from Montabaur, Germany, and Raphael Minder from Barcelona, Spain.

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Yes but there is no point in posting this, after all Co-pilot is not a Muslim so “terror angle” is ruled out.. The poor chap was a sick individual - So case closed.

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^^ Nor the co-pilot travelled to Pakistan in last 6 months

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From FB, someone posted a news that the copilot had converted to Islam one week prior to crash :smiley:

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And now the accused co-pilot is found to hv vision problems as well.. not that it must hv to do anything with taking the plane down

Germanwings co-pilot examined for vision problems before fatal flight, reports say | Fox News

Germanwings co-pilot examined for vision problems before fatal flight, reports say

Published March 28, 2015FoxNews.com

New reports Saturday say Andreas Lubitz – the co-pilot who crashed a jet into a French mountainside early Tuesday – had been dumped by his girlfriend a day before the crash, was being treated for depression and was possibly facing the loss of his job over eye problems.

The new revelations emerged four days after the tragedy and painted a picture of a troubled man whose world, carefully hidden from his employer, friends and colleagues, was coming apart over a broken romance, mental illness and vision issues before the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 that killed 150 people.
It was unclear if Lubitz’s eye difficulties were serious enough to ground him, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing a source who said investigators only know that Lubitz had been examined by an eye specialist and that the appointments appeared to have taken place at University Hospital Dusseldorf.
The paper said evidence uncovered during searches of Lubitz’s apartment in Dusseldorf and his parents’ home in Montabaur indicated he had had his eyes examined and was being treated for depression.
University Hospital Dusseldorf on Friday said Lubitz had been seen at a clinic in February and most recently on March 10, but not for depression. The hospital would not say what Lubitz was treated for, citing patient confidentiality.

The Journal said the 27-year-old Lubitz was being seen by a neuropsychologist for depression. The doctor gave Lubitz a note excusing him from the work the day of the crash but he ignored the advice and reported to work, the paper said, citing its source, a person familiar with the investigation.
French TV channel iTELE reported Lubitz and his girlfriend of seven years shared an apartment in Dusseldorf and planned to get married in 2016. The New York Post said the channel reported that the day before the crash, the fiancée ended the relationship.
Authorities said the cockpit voice recorder showed Lubitz caused the crash. They said the German refused to let the jet’s captain reenter the captain and then rigged the auto-pilot to descend to its lowest setting, 100 feet. All on board were killed when the plane crashed into the Alps north of Nice at 6,000 feet. Captain Patrick Sonderheimber reportedly took an axe to the cabin door trying to get back into the cockpit as the plane plunged from the sky.
The Post also reported that the German newspaper Bild quoted another Lubitz ex-girlfriend as recalling that within the past year, Lubitz had promised her that one day he’d “make everyone remember him.”
Bild identified the former lover as “Maria, 26,” who also said Lubitz would wake up in the middle of the night screaming, “We’re crashing!”
“When I heard about the crash, one thing that he said kept going through my head: ‘One day I’m going to do something that will change the whole system, and everyone will know my name and remember it.’ ” the woman told the paper, according to the Post.
“I didn’t know what he meant, but now it makes sense,” the woman added.
German prosecutors reported Friday that Lubitz shredded the doctor’s notes for the day of the crash and other days, supporting their assessment that Lubitz hid his “medical illness” from his employer and colleagues. They refused to say if the hidden illness was depression.
The Journal said that while Lubitz had sought to conceal his mental illness, there was no evidence that the fear of losing his medical classification as being fit to fly triggered his actions, though “this would be a plausible explanation,” the person said.
His pilot’s license is up for renewal in July and would be in jeopardy if he was diagnosed as mentally ill.
The person told the Journal there was no evidence Lubitz was taking “mind-altering” medication that could have affected his judgment in the cockpit.
“When someone makes the same decision five or six times all leading toward one specific end you have to assume they are acting intentionally,” the person told the paper, alluding to Mr. Lubitz’s lack of reaction when urged by the pilot to open the locked cockpit door. Prosecutors said the cockpit voice recorder showed Lubitz breathing normally in the last moments of the flight, even as the pilot tried to get back into the cockpit and passengers screamed for their lives.
The Journal quoted a Lufthansa spokesman as saying: “All we know was that he had a clean background.”
Dusseldorf prosecutor Christoph Kumpa said Friday the doctor’s note for the day of the crash indicated Lubitz “was declared by a medical doctor unfit to work.”
Bild on Friday said Lubitz had been designated as “not suitable for flying” by his instructors at Lufthansa’s training school in Arizona around the time that he halted his pursuit of a pilot’s license in 2009.
The tabloid said Lubitz spent 18 months receiving psychiatric treatment, was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode,” and received what it called a “special regular medical examination.”
Neighbors described a man whose physical health was superb and road race records show Lubitz took part in several long-distance runs.
Prosecutors said there was no indication of any political or religious motivation for Lubitz’s actions on the Barcelona-Dusseldorf flight.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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The video of possible course of actions:

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I’m just glad muslims had nothing to do with this b/c backlash would have been very extreme.

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And now they think that the co-pilot had suicidal thoughts..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/world/europe/germanwings-copilot-andreas-lubitz.html?emc=edit_na_20150330&nlid=50181468&_r=0

Germanwings Co-Pilot Had Been Treated for ‘Suicidal Tendencies,’ Authorities Say

By NICHOLAS KULISH and MELISSA EDDYMARCH 30, 2015

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Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed into the French Alps, during a race in 2009 in Hamburg, Germany.CreditFoto Team Mueller, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

DÜSSELDORF, Germany — The co-pilot of the Germanwings jetliner that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday had been treated for “suicidal tendencies” before receiving his pilot’s license, the office of the German prosecutor in Düsseldorf said Monday.

The co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, had been treated by psychotherapists “over a long period of time,” the prosecutor’s office said, without providing precise dates. In follow-up visits to doctors since that time, the prosecutor said, “no signs of suicidal tendencies or aggression toward others were documented.”
Mr. Lubitz’s medical records show no physical illnesses, the prosecutor said, an apparent reference to vision problems that he had been experiencing, although they may have been psychosomatic in nature.

Mr. Lubitz, 27, was at the controls of a Germanwings Airbus A320 jetliner on Tuesday, en route from Barcelona, Spain, to Düsseldorf, Germany, when he apparently set it on a course to crash into the mountains in southeastern France, a French prosecutor has said. Voice recordings from the flight document show that Mr. Lubitz was alone in the cockpit and refused to allow the captain to re-enter as the plane crashed, killing all 150 people on board.Prosecutors have questioned many of Mr. Lubitz’s friends and colleagues, but have thus far found no indication of a suicide note or a clear motive behind the crash. “In particular there continues to be no verifiable warning of such an act nor has any claim of responsibility been found,” the Düsseldorf prosecutor’s office said in a statement.Investigators had found no one close to him, whether personally or professionally, who was able to name “any special situation that could serve as a viable indication of a possible motive,” the statement said.Investigators from Germany, France and beyond are facing the difficult task of determining what motivated Mr. Lubitz, whether it was recenttrouble with his eyesight that may have threatened his career as a pilot or issues in his personal life that could have weighed on him. The latest announcement by prosecutors suggests they believe his mental-health problems could well have played a significant role in the crash.Law-enforcement officials here have mobilized in force to deal with the complex case presented by the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525. More than 200 officers from the Düsseldorf police have worked on what they are calling Special Commission Alps. Roughly 100 officers remain involved in the effort to identify the victims and get to the bottom of how and why they were killed. Two French airplane crash experts are cooperating with the Düsseldorf commission.“Since the clues accumulated that the crash could have been premeditated, we have formed a murder commission with 50 specialized investigators,” the Düsseldorf police said in a statement.The evidence gathered in Thursday’s searches at Mr. Lubitz’s apartment and his parents’ house in Montabaur, Germany, was still being analyzed.Officers are visiting the homes of victims to take DNA samples and fingerprints to aid in the identification of the victims. The physical evidence is being evaluated by Germany’s Federal Criminal Police, and the process could take weeks to complete.According to a federal law enforcement official in the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigations conducted interviews in Arizona at the flight school that Mr. Lubitz attended during is training, but they did not find anything “remarkable.” They did several interviews and sent the information on to the Germans.

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bas, kahani khatam, problem ka pata chal gaya :chai: