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Hi Zakk,
about no.1;
Youre right Mush did avoid army intervention at all stages prior to the showdown on the 12th, and even then, all had been done by his top commanders by the time he landed. He mentions the supreme court episode numerous times in the book with disgust. This shows that he still had no intention to take over earlier. Now what happened when NS played directly with him is not smthng just abt Musharraf and his recation, in fact he was flying 20000ft above ground and his recation had no weight, it was the army. i.e. the top commanders all over the country that handled it, maybe not just for Musharraf, but for the army and for Pakistan...? For all one can imagine, Gen Mehmood commander X coprs had arrested gen ziauddin and NS by 7pm, and he or Gen Aziz CGS or Gen Usmani commander V Corps could have installed a counter-counter-coup and raised themselves to 4 stars and COAS by also arresting Musharraf? Musharraf was extremely vulnerable when he landed at Khi, and he explains it in the book how his commandos covered him against possible snipers, he could have easily been arrested by another revolting general, but the generals and the army brought him back. Not just for him, but for what he represented and was expected of him...

about no 2;
Yes thats what i meant, if Musharraf is blamed for being selected because he was thouhgt to be easy to win over or make alliance with, then perhaps that could be correct, but not just for Musharraf, because the chief before him was also retained and fired by NS, the one before that by BB and so on back till bhutto and zia. So maybe tops lots are always given for reasons other than sheer competency. But all men eligible for top slot are professionally equals, because recahing 3 start involves more competency and lesser other factors...

about no.3;
Ali Kuli had Leghari's vote because they had been old college friends, classmates. khalid nawaz may have had some other PML source or sifarishs. But Leghari is unlikely to have anyhting against Ali Kuli for having PML links bacuse Leghari eventually served as pres for a PML govt. so he wasnt all that rigid i guess...now his son is a minister for PML*Q*.

about no 4;
Yes, maybe that could be correct, as a human he may have some weak areas and some stronger ones, same can be said for all cadets that pass out from PMA and reach to general ranks, some are good at some stuff, some at some other stuff. But even that cant judge who's better and who's weaker. unless competitors are given the same job and then judged who performs better and who perforsm weaker...

Do tell me abt what ppl say abt his ME stint?

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Exactly 5Abi!

Yeah I was wondering abt this too, more so since Faisal base is practically right next to Khi airport! This is quite a point. And 5Abi did you read the part abt a PAF official calling CAA abt the arrival time of a PAF VIP 737 from Isl? Even Mush says he has been confused abt that...

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5Abi I was wondering if you could help out reminding me of some names that Mush has refrained from mentioning in the book.

  1. The Defense Secy in 1999 who was asked by NS to sign Mush's firing papers, who had been a retd Lt Gen and brother of some PML leader who was NS's buddy. I think the PML leader is Ch Niasr Ali. What was the name of his brother?

  2. Was Mushahid Husain also present among the goons who attacked Supreme Court?

  3. Who was the Dir CAA at the time?

  4. Who was MD PTV? Was it Yousuf Baig Mirza?

  5. Who was Chair PIA? I think it was Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, now MD Air Blue...? Mush never said a word to him either.

there are some other names which i might discuss as i recall stuff...

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Cowasjee at his usual best, 17 Oct 1999;

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/991017.htm

The coup that failed**

By Ardeshir Cowasjee

WE start with the Constitution promulgated by Bhutto on August 14, 1973, which had a life of four hours within which its promulgator effectively amended it by suspending fundamental rights. He was later to reamend it seven times, each amendment aimed at increasing his power and perpetuating his rule. But he always feared the army.

He abducted and sacked army chief Gul Hasan and appointed a nonentity, Tikka Khan. When his term expired he went to the fifth down the line, a man he mistakenly took to be a perfect Uriah Heep, one Zia-ul-Haq.

On July 5, 1977, Zia-ul-Haq deposed Bhutto and suspended the Constitution. He revived it in 1985 and amended it for the eighth time to suit his particular purpose. After he fell from the skies in 1988, it was trumpeted that ‘democracy’ had been ‘reborn’ when Benazir Bhutto was installed as head of government after emerging victorious in the elections.

She robbed freely, caring a damn when caught with her fingers deep in the till. She was dismissed and replaced with our second democrat, Nawaz Sharif, who robbed until he was dismissed and replaced with Benazir who robbed again, was again dismissed, and again replaced with Nawaz, who went dangerously berserk and was again dismissed.

One of the referee ‘caretakers’ in between the coming and going was the US-blessed Moeen Qureshi who, by the end of his three-month term, had transformed himself into a Pakistani democratic politician. He indulged in blatant nepotism that led to robbery. One instance : knowing the reputation of M. B. Abbasi and his ability to rob and destroy he appointed him head of the then solvent financial institution NDFC, acting deliberately against the advice of his finance minister, Syed Babar Ali. This was done to please Benazir Bhutto who was due to be enthroned for her second reign upon Qureshi’s departure from the scene.

To knowingly appoint a renowned fiddler of finances to head a financial institution of the people is a crime. Amongst the myriad nepotic loans given by Abbasi was one of over Rs.100 million to Moeen Qureshi’s brother Bilal, who defaulted.

The last referee was Farooq Leghari, who brought us to where we are today. Leghari bears sole responsibility for the disasters of the past two and a half years. Despite public pressure and international advice to delay elections and initiate a process of accountability he selfishly refused to do so. He chose instead to instal a known and proven band of exchequer robbers, headed by Nawaz Sharif, absent from whose list of priorities was the welfare of the nation.

Nawaz took no chances. He rushed through the 13th and 14th constitutional amendments - the first denuding the president of power and transferring it to himself, including the hiring and firing of our military chiefs, and the second stifling all parliamentary dissent. He took on the judiciary, ably helped by former Supreme Court judge and sitting Senator, Rafiq Tarar. They and their men masterminded the storming of the Supreme Court of Pakistan and the subsequent sacking of a Chief Justice of Pakistan who might have found Nawaz Sharif guilty in one of the 150 cases pending against him and thus disqualified him from politics. The majority of the judges of the Supreme Court cooperated. Unluckily for them, Nawaz had a ‘book’ on each judge, recording their good and not so good deeds. These ‘books’ now lie in the safe custody of his successors.

The judiciary of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan lies demoralized and helpless to the extent that a writ petition was recently admitted seeking the unseating of a good High Court judge on the ground that he is a non-Muslim. This, despite the fact that out of three of the only unbending upright judges of Pakistan deserving of honour without reservation, two were non-Muslims.

On October 13, whilst pleading a case before Supreme Court Justices Khalilur Rahman, Munir Shaikh and Wajihuddin Ahmad, Barrister Hafiz Pirzada boldly revived the disgrace of November 1997. He reminded them that on the day the men who stormed their court were acquitted by their court and then garlanded outside their court by their fellow members of the then ruling party, he had warned them that they would soon hear the march of jackboots and see the flash of bayonets.

Like his predecessors, Zulfikar and Benazir, Nawaz feared the army. He was unable to get along with his army chiefs, starting with Aslam Beg, then Asif Nawaz, and on to Waheed Kakar who sent him home in 1993. Returning, he had to contend with Jehangir Karamat who told the country what was wrong with it and its leaders. For that he was sacked. Nawaz, like Zulfikar, went down the line and chose the third in seniority, a man he took to be weak as he had no political base. As usual, a bad judge of character, Nawaz had blundered. General Pervez Musharraf is a soldier’s soldier, strong of mind. Within a year a situation arose in which it was either a case of Nawaz getting rid of Musharraf or vice versa.

**So Nawaz planned a coup. On October 11, to maintain secrecy and cover their tracks, he and his co-conspirators - Inter Services Intelligence maestro Lt-General Ziauddin, Supreme Court stormer Mushtaq Tahirkheli, information wizard Mushahid Hussain, PTV boss Parvez Rashid, won-over Journalist-turned speech writer Nazir Naji - flew to Abu Dhabi to finalize the coup programme. Musharraf was to be dismissed whilst on his way back to Pakistan after an official visit to Sri Lanka, and Ziauddin installed in his seat. *Did this hamhanded lot, including one serving Lt- General, not know how the army operates, that there is a minute to minute updated contingency plan to deal with all types of emergency? 10th Corp’s 111 Brigade at GHQ Rawalpindi remains on red alert at all times, wherever be the COAS, to ensure that the army can take full control of the country within an hour. *

On October 12, when General Musharraf took off for his 200-minute flight to Karachi the prime minister issued a notification dismissing him and ordered Ziauddin to get himself to GHQ and assume command. When Ziauddin arrived, the CGS informed him that according to army tradition, he would have to await the arrival of General Musharraf before command could be handed over. Ziauddin rushed to the PM’s house in Islamabad for help and guidance.

Then came the masterstroke. The nervous conspirators instructed Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, head of our national airline, to order those responsible to ensure that the flight carrying Musharraf would not land at Karachi. Where was it to land? Anywhere out of Pakistan. When the captain of the aircraft informed the control tower that he did not have enough fuel to fly out, he was told to land at Nawabshah. At Karachi, Nawaz’s heavy, IGP Sindh Rana Maqbool Ahmad, sitting with the PM’s Adviser on Sindh Affairs Ghous Ali Shah, bypassing the Nawabshah DC, ordered SSP Ahsanullah Gondal to round up the Nawabshah police force and APCs, rush to the airport, arrest General Musharraf when his plane landed, escort him to a secluded place, and hold him there until he and Ghous arrived by helicopter.

Meanwhile, the army took over Karachi airport and ordered traffic control to bring in the aircraft, which by then was left with fuel for seven minutes of flight. End of conspiracy, end of coup. General Musharraf, COAS and CJCSC, landed, sacked Nawaz, and assumed control of the country.

On October 13, legal pastmaster Sharifuddin Pirzada, closely followed by former attorney-general Aziz Munshi, flew to Islamabad. That night a Provisional Constitution Order was issued, together with a continuance of the state of emergency proclaimed on May 28, 1998. General Musharraf declared himself chief executive of the Republic of Pakistan.

The general is a good Muslim, as opposed to being a fundamentally inclined fanatic. He is a man of liberal thought, outward-looking, and in full command of what and who he commands. He is a man who opposes the belief that the preservation or gaining of any territory is worth the nuclear destruction of even one city. We and the world should now feel safer knowing the nuclear button is in his hands rather than in those of unpredictable, untrustworthy, unthinking politicians such as ‘democrats’ Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

The international leaders and commentators who sit thousands of miles away from this blighted country and automatically unthinkingly call for the ‘restoration of democracy’ are blind to the fact that democracy was never there to be restored. To those who demand that the country be ruled according to the Constitution, I ask to which constitution they refer? The one we have at present, amended and reamended into mutilation by successive politicians to be used by the few to the detriment of the many?
**

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I’m not 5abs but I’ll answer :smiley:

  1. I know who you are talking about but the name escapes me..you are right he is from Chaudhry nisars family

  2. Yes, as was several others who are now members of the PML-Q. The PML members who opposed Nawaz Sharif the original “Hum Khyal” have all now been dumped by Musharraf.

  3. Do you mean Aminullah Chaudhry? the same one who turned approved against Nawaz in exchange for being set free?

  4. I don’t think so..?

  5. Yup Shahid Abbassi MNA from Murree ..i am not sure about if he is involved in anything else now but he is still active in the PML-N

ps: The so called spontaneous nature of the coup is an exaggeration, it was decided after Karamat was ousted that the Army would not forget the “insult” of how it was treated by NS & Co (the sense of izzat and revenge in the army at that time would have certainly earned the approval of the late Nawab Bugti). So post 1998 the Army made arrangements to make sure if Nawaz tried to remove the chief again they’d act. This plan didn’t include the Air force or the navy and they didn’t approve of the coup..as a rule both the Pakistan navy and air force have avoided involvement in coups (except in 1971 when the Air force was on the verge of bombing the president palace if Yahya didn’t resign).

Also Ayaz Amirs articles before the coup were positively prescient

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/990917.htm

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Haris im not good with the names esp from the "dreadful decade of sham democracy" (as Mush puts it LOL), but i trust that Zakk has answered them correctly.

Couple of things I wanted to mention here. As I was reading his recount of the 1965 war it reminded me of my father's recount of the war. My father at the time was a Captain in the Army as well and witnessed Mush extinguish the fire on self-propelled artillery gun where an enemy shell had landed. Mush describes this on page 46 of his book. The night of September 22, 1965. This is what dad had to say:**Once again ceasefire was negotiated. At midnight 23 September, all firing was to be stopped. That night, at gun position, we were picking up possible enemy targets or concentrations,off the map and "sending" 18 to 36 shells of 105 mm caliber high explosive salvos as last gifts. In return, just before cease fire, we attracted CB. One of the SP gun fully loaded with shells and cordite caught fire. A young captain, mounted the SP tank and started throwing out shells and cordite and warning the crew to take away the nearby shells and explosives. He single handedly extinguished the fire. I had seen that captain once returning from observers duty with a bullet hole in his sleeve folds. This young officer had joined the unit during the war and I had the honour to share the bunker. A very brave, imaginative, intelligent and shrewd officer. He is a VVIP now (General Pervez Musharraf)
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*Secondly, further in the book page 72-73, Mush explains how he would gone out in flames along with Gen Zia in 1988 C-130 crash if he had been selected Zia's military secretary. My father also had a similar experience. He was meant to be on that C-130 along with Zia and other senior officers. They had gone for Abrams tank demonstration near Multan and dad was in charge of preparing a comprehensive analysis report about the tests etc. Last minute, dad was held back and told to stay in Rawalpindi by his GOC, who accomplanied Zia on the plane.

Mush and my father thus survived. Such is fate.

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Sure, youre more then welcome Zakk, thanks a bunch :k:

Yes this is right the army was highly annoyed and united against any possible slaps that might come from the politicians. They were prepared to handle it but waited till pinched, so were defensive rather than offensive.
And yeah, what a comedy it had been when Rahim Khan flew over, surprising and sad how many weird episodes our nation has seen and continues to see :smiley:

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No worries 5Abi, Zakk’s input was helpful.

Wow 5Abi! Thanks a huge bunch for sharing this! Was a treat. :k:
Is your dad writing his memoirs, I remember you had once posted some more stuff by him quite a long time ago and said he was writing, I really think he should plan a book asap, a soldier always has valuable experiences to realate!
My regards to your dad! :slight_smile:

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5Abi, what arm did your father serve? Which course is he from? My Dad’s brother and another coursemate of my Dad’s were supposed to be on that C-130 but had to stay behind in Bhawalpur because Commander 10 corps wanted to fly back with Zia rather than accompanying Gen Beg as he was scheduled to.

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The defence secretary of the Nawaz Sharif was Lt Gen Iftikhar Ali Khan (Retd)

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Haris, dad has written about his experience in the war after I insisted. A book? I dunno, he says his memory doesnt serve him right at his age now.

mufakkar, dad was in the EME Corps. During 1965 war he was posted to 16th Self-Propelled Field Regiment Artillery out of Kharian (same as Musharraf) LAD (light aid detatchment) of 3rd Armored Brigade of 6th Armd Division.

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Thanks MKF :k:
Any clues what he’s upto now? or whether he has any office with the govt?
because Mush doesnt point any finger at him in the book and slightly hints at his good sense for not having signed/issued his dismissal papers, and opposing NS’s act and ‘knowing’ the army.
His brother Nisar Ali though is a blatant hardcore NS chamcha.

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Good to know 5Abi that he's written some stuff. It must be highly valuable material! Do keep insisting for a book though, memories come quick when the revisitng journey begins :)