^ Yeah any number negates akhand bhaRAT :D
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^ yeah, it is based on a three nation theory. :D
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Yeah, with the North east of India, it could be 30 nation theory in the future ;)
Bottom line is that your Vejupie wants conferederation and other wet dreams. AS long as we are around, it will be just that - dreams ;)
2 nation theory was based on muslim unity. Right now, punjabis are holding conferences calling for united punjab and going over to india to admire their punjab. Sindhis, pakhtuns are doing the same with their kind across the world. Only stupid mohajirs have no real place to go to.
Wrong. It is based on the strongly held and substantiated belief that those in control of a majority Hindu nation i.e., the upper Caste Hindus, will not allow Muslims a fair shake. This was illustrated in the British rule days by the Congress party and we can see it today in the BJP’s behaviour.
Wrong. Some Sardar came over here and said that there should be no borders. No Pakistani is saying such things.
What? Sindhis are going to cut Sindh and carry it to another continent? 
Two nation theory is validated by every move of India.
It was for muslim united states, which collapsed after 71
Read newspapers. Ex ministers of punjab are all calling for brotherhood between the two punjabs and promotion of punjabiyat over islamic unity. This was annouced by top west punjab politicans at world punjab conference.
A sindhi friend of mine once told me this. “There are two kinds of sindhis: Thsoe who suport PPP, those who support Sindhudesh”
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2 nation theory was based on muslim unity. Right now, punjabis are holding conferences calling for united punjab and going over to india to admire their punjab. Sindhis, pakhtuns are doing the same with their kind across the world. Only stupid mohajirs have no real place to go to.
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Mind your own business!! you are neither and sindhi, punjabi, balouch, pashtun or kashmiri... You are an indoo who just don't have nowhere to go. Its like "dhobi ka kuta na ghar ka na ghat ka". You are most welcome to settle in the great paradise of gujarat.... No one is stopping you......
Thank you for proving my point. Two nation theory and islam is the trojan horse used by “pakistan” army to kill its own people and conquer its own land. Nothing more to add.
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Thank you for proving my point. Two nation theory and islam is the trojan horse used by "pakistan" army to kill its own people and conquer its own land. Nothing more to add.
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You have a very serious comprehension problem.... Pak is for Pakistanis not for terrorist scums who come from abroad and then bad mouth this land of pure. You don't like it no one ever asked you to leave the mighty democracy the land of milk and honey. No one is stopping you to head for the paradise.... Does this make sense.
Posting irrelevent links is like clutching at straws.
Wake up Imdad Ali,
If you are Muslim (I think you may just be using a Muslim user name), then you will know that practising monotheists and polytheists cannot live together if they have a chance to separate.
This has been happening throughout history - check out what Christians did when they started out in Europe. Entire Europe became more or less Christian. People like you are just lucky to be in a society where the rival became weakened and seduced by saris, music and hindi spices!
So no need to gloat and blow your own trumpet. If it was upto you, you'd probably go to Egypt and ask Egyptians to go back to their pre-Islamic practices or South America and ask the Latinos to do the same.
By the way, we Arabs call it "Two Nation REALITY" not theory as you and your Indian countrymen call it. Remember the 17-year old Arab general who landed on the shores of present day Sindh (which you think Pakistans don't feel isn't strategic anymore!!!) - hmmm! 10 years of economic prosperity (where only 20% of population has benefited) can make you so vainglorious!
The world is not at the mercy of cheap hindi software programmers, and entertainers and world history started before 1947 or Congress!
You are lucky that Pakestan has had such passive leaders.
By the way, Indians should pick on someone their own size - why look further to the lands where hindi people migrate in drones and drones - legally, illegally, etc. just look up north to China - its closer in size to your beloved Hind geographically and population-wise. And try to remember what happened in 1962: :) - Kashmir is recognized as a disputed territory by the UN but the thousands of square kms of Himachal Pradesh that China captured in 1962 within a few minutes are officially still considered hindi land - why can't you take it back from China - try that instead of trying to pour scorn on a country that is a fraction of yours and one tenth in population and yet can stare you in the eyes and take a stance. If people like you had migrated during the liberation of 1947, Pakestan would have become an Indian state in no time - Thank God you didn't come and people like you never will - you belong in India. You are not Pakestan material!!!!
I thought you were a reasonable person based on ur other posts - but now I realize that you are not because you accused me of being racist in one of your posts while replying to me (by bringing up things like "Arab blood" and Hindi Muslim) whereas no one esle has done yet - you don't respect others' viewpoints or try to understand them and you want others to think that you are some sort of a sly and knowledgeble Indian - u suffer from a superiority-complex.
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Wake up Imdad Ali,
If you are Muslim (I think you may just be using a Muslim user name), then you will know that practising monotheists and polytheists cannot live together if they have a chance to separate.
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Turki, are you for real? 150 million muslims are afterall living in india, despite the hardships, and their numbers are on the rise. But forget india, how about malaysia, singapore or west indies (trinidad, guyana) etc. where hoindus and muslims live with realtive peace? Are they also not true muslims as you have already delcared me a non muslim? Your views don't sound like an arabs. Most arabs i know consider indians and pakistanis the same.
Abdali, tell me what a pakistani is if not a muslim of south asia?
Dude,
u r playing with words! This is a Pakestan forum.
Plus I never said ALL Indians are like you or that peace between Muslims or Hindus is bad!. Don't air your stere-typical views here.
But I am saying that one danger I see for Pakestan is for it to get influenced (unnecessarily) by Muslims who are not interested in an Islamic country (like you). Plus you are not sticking to this post - when convenient you switch the discussion to the idea of Hindi Muslims being victimized or leaving boldly in Hind.
U don't have an answer to what I actually said in my post about India and China.
How convenient: Indian Muslims can make fun of Pakestan, malign Pakestan, some can marry hindus,and then if someone points this out, , then they're like - 150 million of us live in India, bla, bla, bla.................
Plus - you learn something new everyday don't you - NO WAY - Arabs consider Hindi and Pakestan people to be the same - in fact I, like most, don't think of Hind as a land of uniform people. There are good and bad people everywhere but judging from posts of people like you who are clearly believe that nothing good can come out of Pakestan and you go to the extent of undermining Islam's teachings (when you claimed that having Arab blood = guaranteed janaat - when clearly janaat is to be gained through merit of deeds), what did you expect.
BTW, not all Arabs are as passive as you think. It's just that I have lived in Pakestan for a few months and during that time instead of watching hindi movies I decided to go to libraries. This continued upon my return to Dubai and Dubai has huge number of Pakestany and Hindi and so its very easy for me to realize the differences and similarities of the mind-sets because I have friends who confide in me from both sides.
Plus if you had the ability, you would have noticed that I am more critical of Pakestan in my posts - read the others if you wish - but here on military issues, I saw people like you making fun of Pakestan so I thought why not give them a taste of their own medicine.
What I said is reality - so don't feel hurt unnecessarily - I apologize if I did undermine your beliefs. Islam allows for plurality so you can have your own political allegiances but the funny thing Imdad is that you seem to react when you feel you are personally attacked whereas you attack others personally and hurt their feelings. Also, when attacked, you run to the platform of Islam and in other cases you just don't care.
So I am being honest - i just don't like your approach. And you I am sure don't like mine.
If you are in Dubai, we should meet up for coffee - I will introduce you to my other Arab friends: Lebanese, Jordanians, Saudis, Emaratis and then see how the Arab perspective is on this topic.
At the same time I have other Arab friends who prefer India to Pakestan so its feedom of choice.
So try not to take things personally and try to think how your sarcastic remarks hurt your fellow Muslims from Pakestan as well.
I am here to learn and am already learning so much.
If you keep an open mind you will learn too - but if you are here to dump stereo-typical perspectives, then,.....................
BTW, let's stick to the topic : i don't want others getting distracted: so tell me - what about Himachal Pradesh? ;)
El Turki,
If you don't mind my asking (this isn't relevant at all to this thread or even relevant to this whole forum, sorry), but where in Dubai do you live? i was born in Sharjah, lived in Sharjah/Dubai/Ajman/Abu Dhabi for many years. In Abu Dhabi, we lived in the old Tourist Plaza area, next to the Tourist Club (old Mazda showroom bldg. Sounds familiar? :o ). My father still lives there, though now in Corniche.
i know it's not relevant, sorry Mods. Just curious.
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Look at Van Paulus (the German general at Stalingrad in 1942). He sacrificed 500,000 of his own men because he didnt have the courage to stand up to the Fuhrers nonsensical insistance that the German Army hold Stalingrad. Instead his men had to fight to the death for his own personal weakness. And for what? Their sacrifce accomlished nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada.
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gimme a break! Don't compare germans with the loosers of Pakistan army. First of all the sixth german army was fighting on a foreign land and was an aggressor. Despite of harsh russian winter and lack of supplies the Germans left no stone unturned to hold their ground. Paulus and his generals decided to surrender when 5 divisions of the sixth german army were completely destroyed by the russians, 18,000 soldiers were seriously wounded and they had no medicines to take care of them and not to mention that 300,000 thousand german soldiers had already died in Stalingrad, the front had been breached on many locations and their amunition was exhausted. The winter was a major problem for the germans, most of the german soldiers were fighting in their summer uniforms in -40 °C temperature. Paulus was a very genius general, he was more genius and efficient than Romel. Paulus had already warned Hitler that the german army was no more able to keep staligrad and asked his permission for a retreat. If idiot Hitler had let fight Paulus his war in his way, the outcome of the southern front would be very different.
Now tell me how your generals fought in your own country?
Turki, so do you now retract your statement that muslims and hindus cannot live together with each other peacefully? Don't beat around the bush. I don't have time for your long winded posts.
Well here is alittle eye opener for you:
World War II was the most extensive and costly armed conflict in the history of the world, involving the great majority of the world’s nations, being fought simultaneously in several major theaters, and costing approximately 50 million lives. The war was fought chiefly between an alliance of the United States, the Soviet Union, China and Britain (known as the Allies), and the Axis Powers, an alliance between Germany, Italy and Japan. Most of the fighting occurred in the European theater in and around Europe, and in the Asian theater in the Pacific and East Asia.
The Gremans had assistance from two other countires and Italy had donated hundreds and thousands of its troops to Gremany, not to mention a free movement pact which mean that Germany was able to capture the greek islands of creete and Laos, without any resistance.
The war in Europe began on September 1st, 1939, when German troops invaded Poland. However, Japan had invaded China in 1937, and this is sometimes considered to be the real start of the world war.
The war in Europe ended with the surrender of Germany on May 8, 1945, but continued in Asia and the Pacific until September 2, 1945, when Japan surrendered.
The period from the conclusion of the invasion of Poland in October 1939, till the German invasion of Benelux and France in May 1940, became known as the Phoney War. The German and Soviet forces were moved from the attack on Poland. The Red Army concentrated on the Baltic Countries and on Finland, where the Winter War came in focus of the world’s interest in absence of other hostilities. The Wehrmacht moved to the west, and invaded meanwhile Denmark and Norway. France mobilized and manned its heavy defended border against the Rhine; and the British sent a large expeditionary force to France. Apart from a brief attack by the French across the Rhine there were little hostilities as both sides built up their forces.
In May of 1940 German forces attacked the Low Countries and then France. Their Blitzkrieg tactics succeeded in defeating the French and British armies in France. The British army evacuated from Dunkirk leaving their heavy equipment behind, and the French government made a peace, which left the Germans in control of the North and the Vichy government in charge of the South.
Luftwaffe was unable to defeat the Royal Air Force in the Battle of Britain and gain the air superiority needed to invade Britain. Instead they began a strategic bombing campaign which the British called the Blitz, and to blockade Britain into submission in the Battle of the Atlantic. Britain failed to succumb to either.
Besdies their numerical superiority and superior engineering they were outfought, outgunned and outmunevered on evey turn.. Field Marshal Montgommery.
That account dose not sound like military genius to me, and if you reflect upon Pakistan: we were fighting a superior army who had a superior navy, a superior air-force and had a continual supply route. Whereas ours had been blocked by the Russian Fleet, the indian troops had the assiatnce of the natives (Bangalis) but the Pakistani troops were seen as beasts!
If you knew anything about military tactics you would not have made that stupid quote above, because as it is generally known that if your in a land where the general population is against you, you dont have supplies, the guns, the men or Air Superiority then surrender is the only logical option.
Your just another dillusional git, who dosent appreciate the great sacrifices made by the Pak army in Bangaladesh! ..
Pakistan Zindabad!
Sorry, it is General Field Marshal Mannstein. I consider him a far better general than Rommel.
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Sorry, it is General Field Marshal Mannstein. I consider him a far better general than Rommel.
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Speaking of Mannstein whave you read any of the new books on the Wermacht in WW2 - Wehrmacht : The Illustrated History of the German Army in Wwii? Or The Harper Encyclopedia of Military History : From 3500 B.C. to the Present.
Brillant Books!
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BD should have never been part of Pak to begin with. They were too far apart with enemy in the middle. Only military/economic/political powers can afford such a setup. Even then stability is a major factor wihout stability it can become a headace for big boys too. If today they beg us to take them back I would ask them for mercy.... I think they are better off without us and we without them...
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Good point, they were not meant to be with us, with the geographical setup like that. Now our best hope is that the two countries enjoy excellent relations, overcoming some of the greivences of the past.
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it was far better to live like a lion for a day than to live like a jackal for a hundred years.
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"It's better to live a day like a tiger than to live a 100 years like a hyena"
-Tipu Sultan 1750-1799
a Jackal is kind of a fox or wolf and is a brave animal.
Hyena is "geedarr".