But in the past they (armed forces) have dealt with their own very severely. For instance, admiral mansoor the ex chief of navy was brought back to pakistan and charged. Even his rank was stripped and he was made to serve 7 years with hefty fines.
Re: General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Time Magazine Top 100 list
just a point to note that Time emphasizes that the list is not an award or honour, strictly influence. previous the list has included Bin Laden, Kim Jong Ill and Ann Coulter.
I know we are off thread topic here but since you brought it up…
You can’t really fault Imran’s performance in that game though. He delivered with both bat and ball but giving Saleem Jaffer the last over and not bringing himself earlier on towards the end was indeed suicidal. If I am not mistaken Imran took 3 wickets in his last over, the penultimate over of the game…all clean bowled!!!
But then Jaffer spoiled it all in the last over conceding 18 runs to the 9th wicket pair!!!
Mind you the difference between the two sides was 18 runs in the end!!!
And after a familiar top-order collapse (familiar by Pakistani standards), had it not been for that important 112-run 4th wicket partnership between Miandad and Imran both of whom batted beautifully we would have probably lost by 100 odd runs!!!
^ Firstly, Imran and his team got a heroes reception after the 87 semi. He is, and will probably remain Pakistan's most successful captain. Secondly, remember who brought you home the world cup the tournament after that? It was not Altaf Bhai, it was Imran Khan. And lastly, learn to live with the 87 pain (where we won ALL but one match), everyone got over it, especially considering we won the world cup after that under Imran.
Slight correction: We won 5 of our 6 pool games in 1987 Reliance World Cup. We lost one of the two games against West Indies and then the SF against Australia. It was India who won all their pool games and then lost to England in the SF and we all know what happened in the Final....Gatting blunder....reverse flicking when set..
Now coming back to the thread topic, while Kiyani might be more influential than Zardari (we cannot expect GHQ culture to change overnight), I do NOT want to see another military take over and won't welcome any adventurism on Kiyani's part for sure. That would be wrong in my view.
Kiyani will be doing a great service to all of us and the nation if he could just keep the Taliban thugs at bay. Military should not meddle in politics and governance of the state although their advice should always be sought in matters of national security
Despite the deficiencies of our political set-up (no intra-party elections, feudal curse, illiterate voters effectively deciding who should rule us etc.) Zardari, Gilani and PPP government have been duly elected by the people of Pakistan and should be allowed to complete their 5-year term. We need to set a democratic tradition for future generations.
So a big NO to any future military coup...
^ Firstly, Imran and his team got a heroes reception after the 87 semi. He is, and will probably remain Pakistan's most successful captain. Secondly, remember who brought you home the world cup the tournament after that? It was not Altaf Bhai, it was Imran Khan. And lastly, learn to live with the 87 pain (where we won ALL but one match), everyone got over it, especially considering we won the world cup after that under Imran.
*Yes one match in the pool, and the semi. There was no reception because the match was in Lahore, Imran sat in his house for a month, and had in fact retired.
*oh yeah, Saleem Jaffer was vilified, I suppose it wasnt all his fault.
*Our team was better than the Aussies who had lost the Ashes in 85 and again in 87.
*I know, I know about 92, but I was out of the country in 1992 and there was no "streaming video back then", I missed the whole cup.
*The highest winning ratio of any captain in Pakistan is by Rashid Latif at 75 percent.(from 6 tests)
*in at least 10 games, the highest winning ratio is Javed Miandad, 67.64 percent(from 34 tests).
*then Salim Malik(66.66 from 12 games)Mushtaq Ahmed(60.52from 19), Waqar(58.82 from 17), Moin Khan(57.69 from 13), Wasim(58 from 25), Zaheer Abas(57.14 from 14) then Imran Khan at 56.25 from 48 games.
WHy are you so obsessed with ALtaf ? You invoke him in every post, right after you invoke the Shariah Delusion.
*Yes one match in the pool, and the semi. There was no reception because the match was in Lahore, Imran sat in his house for a month, and had in fact retired.
*oh yeah, Saleem Jaffer was vilified, I suppose it wasnt all his fault.
*Our team was better than the Aussies who had lost the Ashes in 85 and again in 87.
*I know, I know about 92, but I was out of the country in 1992 and there was no "streaming video back then", I missed the whole cup.
*The highest winning ratio of any captain in Pakistan is by Rashid Latif at 75 percent.(from 6 tests)
*in at least 10 games, the highest winning ratio is Javed Miandad, 67.64 percent(from 34 tests).
*then Salim Malik(66.66 from 12 games)Mushtaq Ahmed(60.52from 19), Waqar(58.82 from 17), Moin Khan(57.69 from 13), Wasim(58 from 25), Zaheer Abas(57.14 from 14) then Imran Khan at 56.25 from 48 games.
WHy are you so obsessed with ALtaf ? You invoke him in every post, right after you invoke the Shariah Delusion.
Well those stats are misleading if you do not look at the whole picture
By popular choice Imran Khan is the best captain Pakistan ever had, better than Kardar, Miandad etc.
Miandad won 2-1 in England in 1995 and the one-off test in NZ but apart from that his other test wins were all at home. Same goes for the other players that you mentioned who did not win any notable series overseas.
Had Imran not picked and chosen series back in the 80s his success ratio would have been even better. I remember atleast two three-test series against NZ and SLA in the late 80s in which Imran refused to captain the side because he felt the opposition was too weak - SLA were a poor test side back then and NZ were visiting minus Hadlee - and Imran was not wrong either, Pakistan won both series 3-0......stand-in skipper Miandad gleefully accepting both results!!! not saying Miandad was a bad skipper
Aside from leading Pakistan to World Cup glory in 1992
- Imran led Pakistan to their first-ever test (5-match) series win in India in 1987 (1-0)
- led Pakistan to first-ever test (5-match) series win in England in 1987 (1-0)
- Imran holds the proud record of never losing a test series as captain against the mighty West Indies during the 80s. Led pakistan in 3x three test series against the West Indies, all of them drawn 1-1. And but for some dodgy umpiring we would have won the away test series in the Caribbean 2-0 in 1988 instead of drawing 1-1
that is a sorry comparison, i.e. comparing rashid latif’s five or six test matches with imrans captiancy record, which just proves what an insight into cricket you have!
Every bacha bacha, even the ones roaming around 9-0 know Imran is, was and probably will be the best captain we had. Seriously, after May 12th, ‘some’ hate mongers would even try and assert that pakistan didnt even win the cup in 1992 
Well those stats are misleading if you do not look at the whole picture
By popular opinion Imran Khan is the best captain Pakistan ever had, better than Kardar, Miandad etc.
Miandad won 2-1 in England in 1995 and the one-off test in NZ but apart from that his other test wins were all at home. Same goes for the other players you mentioned who did not win any notable series overseas.
Had Imran not picked and chosen series back in the 80s his success ratio would have been even better. I remember atleast two three-test series against NZ and SLA in the late 80s in which Imran refused to captain the side because he felt the opposition was too weak. SLA were a poor test side back then and NZ were visiting minus Hadlee....and Imran was not wrong either both series won 3-0 by Pakistan......and the results gleefully accepetd by stand-in skipper Miandad!!! not saying Miandad was a bad skipper
Aside from leading Pakistan to World Cup glory in 1992
- Imran led Pakistan to their first ever test (5-match) series win in India in 1987 (1-0)
- led Pakistan to first ever test (5-match) series win in England in 1987 (1-0)
- Imran holds the proud record of never losing a test series as captain against the might West Indies during the 80s. Led pakistan in 3x three test series against the West Indies, all of them drawn 1-1. And but for some dodgy umpiring we would have won the away test series 2-0 in the Caribbean in 1987 instead of drawing 1-1
Brother, how dare you speaka the truth! Altaf Hussain was the most succesfull cacptain we ever had. He is not just the best captain but the best actor, handsome playboy, singer, kabaddi player and poet (even better than Allama Iqbal)!
Well those stats are misleading if you do not look at the whole picture
By popular opinion Imran Khan is the best captain Pakistan ever had, better than Kardar, Miandad etc.
Miandad won 2-1 in England in 1995 and the one-off test in NZ but apart from that his other test wins were all at home. Same goes for the other players you mentioned who did not win any notable series overseas.
Had Imran not picked and chosen series back in the 80s his success ratio would have been even better. I remember atleast two three-test series against NZ and SLA in the late 80s in which Imran refused to captain the side because he felt the opposition was too weak. SLA were a poor test side back then and NZ were visiting minus Hadlee....and Imran was not wrong either both series won 3-0 by Pakistan......and the results gleefully accepetd by stand-in skipper Miandad!!! not saying Miandad was a bad skipper
Aside from leading Pakistan to World Cup glory in 1992
- Imran led Pakistan to their first ever test (5-match) series win in India in 1987 (1-0)
- led Pakistan to first ever test (5-match) series win in England in 1987 (1-0)
- Imran holds the proud record of never losing a test series as captain against the might West Indies during the 80s. Led pakistan in 3x three test series against the West Indies, all of them drawn 1-1. And but for some dodgy umpiring we would have won the away test series 2-0 in the Caribbean in 1987 instead of drawing 1-1
*Yes, and those are just the main achievements, you forgot his performance in the 82 home series against India(40 wickets & 250 runs), and the 82 England tour where we had a very competitive series and drew 1-1. We drew with the West Indies in 85-86 at home after leading and then in 87-88 in the West Indies where Umpiring saved them.
*Imran also led Pakistan to our only 3-0 win in a test series against Australia in 82.
*Imran did miss a lot of easy home series, and Javed got some easy series to beef up his percentage.
*Another reason Imrans win percentage is low is that he played at a time when there were a lot of draws in cricket, In the 87 series, we had four dead draws before they tried to spring a turning wicket at banglore(or bangloroo).
*Imran still has the highest number of series wins as a capitan.
*Imran has the highest number of tests won as captian.
Statistics can be misleading, but I was just baiting Spock. I think Imran was the best captain Pakistan has had. He could have been a great political leader as well if he had not decided to get a mulvi makeover. There is hope for him still if he goes back to the progressive roots of his popularity.
*PS Miandad won 2-1 in 92, right after the 92 world cup. Then the PCB made Wasim the captain, removing Javed who was batting well, and had the legitmate claim on leadership, a decision that was the reason for turmoil in the team for a decade. Javed only played two series after being removed from captaincy.
In 96 Wasim was the captain when we won 2-0.
In respect for Leonard Nimoys ongoing illness, I hope you would look into changing your nick or at least not display such unabashed passion on the wrong side of reason & logic.
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