Gesto, thanks for the impartial analysis. :k:
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Brother .....i know he was better then tikka and sundry ...but still he should had the courage to fight till last ......like in a hadith(correct me if i am wrong)muslims army will never loose due to number if they are 20000 or above.........
i belive if he had fought bravely till death he wolad have remmbered in pakistan like a hero ...what he did and what happend to him in paltan ground dhaka by gen. arroora .....was the worst humilation of a muslim soldier.........
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I'm sure he was not afraid of his own death, but had he opted to fight out to the last drop of blood with wearing out ammunition and worn out weapons and NO reinforcements he would have been held responsible for the massacre and merciless slaughter by the Indians of the thousands of officers and men under his command. Certain people would have called him a devil in that case too. A military commander is not just responsible for victory, he is also responsible for those under is command and he managed to save thousands of lives and thousands of households; husbands, sons, fathers, brothers who returned home.
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Brother .....i know he was better then tikka and sundry ...but still he should had the courage to fight till last ......like in a hadith(correct me if i am wrong)muslims army will never loose due to number if they are 20000 or above.........
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That hadith cannot possibly be true, and must be an innovation. The basis for my allegation is that in 1914, the army of the Khalifat numbered 800,000 Muslims. During the next 4 years, a total of 2.8 million Muslims took part in battle after battle for the Khilafat, and were defeated by 1918 and forced by Britain and France to sign a humiliating peace settlement that gave away most of the lands of the Khilafat except for Turkey to these colonial countries, as well as placing much of what was left under direct military occupation.
The above example proves that having a large number of Muslim troops can not guarantee victory at all. Niazi's forces in Dhaka were outnumbered, outgunned, cut off from supply, cut off from retreat. Even if they were to break the siege of Dhaka by some miracle, the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy were present in sufficient strength to prevent and Pakistani forces arriving or retreating from East Pakistan.
To fight on in Dhaka would have been to ruin the city, to bring casualties beyond horror to those living there. And ultimately, for no end other than the principle of resistance - the unlikely outcome f victory would not, as I have explained, brought any relief to their situation.
Fighting on at Dhaka would have had no point. Niazi did the only real option available to him.
Straight from the horses mouth... interview to the BBC.
Pak Army fought gallantly in 1971, says Manekshaw
WASHINGTON- ** Pakistan army in East Pakistan fought very gallantly, but had no chance, ** Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw who led Indian army to victory in 1971 war has said in an interview to the BBC.
The 85-year-old former army chief was asked to what extent did he win in Bangladesh. ** He said the Pakistani troops fought very gallantly but had no chance. "They were a 1,000 miles away from their base. And I had eight or nine months to make my preparations. I had a superiority of almost 50 to one..." **
Asked about setbacks during the 13-day war, Manekshaw disclosed that on the fifth day of the conflict he told then premier Indira Gandhi that "everything had gone wrong. The navy lost the khukri. The air force lost a lot of aircraft on the ground. My advances in Bangladesh were halted".
"She looked at me and smiled and said you can't win everyday, Sam. And then she turned around and said anyway we will not tell anybody ... Let everybody know that nothing has happened".
He said it was true that he had written a personal letter to a Pakistani captain S.R. Malik for defending his garrison in Kamalpur in Bangladesh "stoutly" despite "hard" Indian attempts to capture it. "We did not succeed until about the third attempt...." He said he had even recommended Captain Malik's name for a gallantry award to the Pakistani army chief.
To a question why he did not migrate to Pakistan as he belonged to the frontier force regiment, the Lahore-born former Indian Army Chief disclosed that the founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah "did ask me. But I said I have finished commanding. I am now an Indian, I have married an Indian girl and now I am here". After the 1971 conflict Ms Gandhi elevated him to the rank of Field Marshal but did not offer him the job of chief of defence staff. She did offer him the post of high commissioner in the UK and that of Maharashtra governor both of which he declined.
Referring to his days in the 1930s during the World War II "Burma campaign" Manekshaw said:``The Japanese had put nine bullets into my stomach. My lungs, liver, kidneys, intestines everything was perforated. Nobody thought I would live".
^ yeah, FM Manekshaw has time and again commended the efforts of the Pakistani soldiers and his commendation of a young captain who fought in a superhuman way is also very famous. the whole episode created by Indian and Pakistani politicians was unethical and the soldiers had to face the consequences.
Manekshaw! :k:
anyone have any more details about this captain S. R. Malik?
and, about Manekshaw’s Burma adventures?
A few years ago,during one of my client discussions,I had come to meet a person(old aged,somewhat) who was in the business of selling communication equipments to Navy.Since I beliong to telecommunication arena ,we both became very close and discussed many things.This person was an ex-Naval person and said he was trained by the Indian army to plant explosives in southern regions of then East -pakistan during the heightened tension between both the countries in 1971.He said ,in less than three months he was assigned to execute his orders,the war broke out between both sides and his main region of operatyion was south of East Pakistan.He told me that there was no doubt that pak army had fought gallantly and they had created a big fuss for the Indian camp in Bangladesh.
He also told me that ,the navl people were astonished to see the log book of Khasi,the destroyed submarine of pakistan in the war,showing it had reached very proximate to Vishakapattanam(Andhra)and had remained there for days undetected in the eys of Indians.
I remember reading somewhere,Mr.Manekshah saying that Pka army had a neck to neck battle with his army in that war.
In my opinion pakistan had done a foolish thing by allowing the hijackers of Indian Airlines plane,that was hijacked from srinagar(by Mr.Qureshi who returned to India after serving long years in pak jail and then in exile)to land the plane on pakistani soil and later burned it publically with open blessings from Bhuto and Yahya.After that pakistani planes were not allowed to use the Indian airs space and that they had to reach Bengladesh via Srilankan coast rounding the south Indian regions.This had squandered away precious time for pakistan in getting its troops and supplies in east pakistan to quell the revolt there and meet a later inevitable Indian intervention.
I think this was a strategy created by RAW(which was very infant during that time,but the child managed to squeeze breast milk in a much bigger fashion)to make pakistani activities getting delayed.
whatever be the reasons,Bengladesh has becomea reality and countries need to learn lessons from this pak fiasco.
PNS Khassi? 
Are you talking about Ghazi?
As a Niazi myself, i need not tell you the real story behind the Bengladesh mess? Blame the Higer-ups! He was a great man! God rest his soul!
Pachas kutay mil jain tho sher ka shikar ker he laitay hain! nothing out of the ordinary… I saw a few dogs chasing a tiger in a documentary for endangered species.
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Pachas kutay mil jain tho sher ka shikar ker he laitay hain! nothing out of the ordinary... I saw a few dogs chasing a tiger in a documentary for endangered species.
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yeah!
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Pachas kutay mil jain tho sher ka shikar ker he laitay hain! nothing out of the ordinary... I saw a few dogs chasing a tiger in a documentary for endangered species.
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Choo- Ahh Forget ya Idiot!
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Choo- Ahh Forget ya Idiot!
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Hey Jack boy whats da problem?