Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

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Nisar cautions ex-officials to be careful in issuing statements - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: In an apparent reaction to a former Army spokesperson’s remarks, regarding Gen (retd) Ashfaq Parvez Kayani’s reluctance in launching a military offensive in North Waziristan in 2010, Federal Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Wednesday reprimanded the retired officials to be careful in issuing statements, DawnNews reported.

In an interview to BBC Urdu on Monday, former DG Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen (retd) Athar Abbas had said that the military leadership of the country was in favour of launching the offensive in 2010, however, it could not due to the indecision of Gen Kayani.

In a statement issued here today, Chaudhry Nisar advised those who have been a part of important national decisions to be ‘reticent.’

“Being tactful and strategic is better for the nation and the country,” he added.

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Terming ‘confidentiality’ as essential for the development of the nation, the minister cautioned former military officials saying in this media age, a ‘little slip of tongue’ can cause havoc.

Chaudhry Nisar emphasised that unity was vital for Pakistan at this critical juncture. He also cautioned the media to avoid making the issue a point of contention.

Meanwhile, Maj Gen (retd) Athar Abbas said that his statement regarding the military operation was given in response to a question.

Speaking at a seminar organised by South Asian Free Media Association (Safma), he said that a huge number of militant casualties should not be expected out of the Zarb-i-Azb operation. He expressed optimism that all big cities of the country would be ‘cleared’ in a month.

Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

Because Pakistani Generals are not employee of army chief, they are employee of armed forces of Pakistan. Armed forces work under Army Chief and even though generals may talk ‘for or against’ something within the core commanders' meeting and lower rank officer may pass their reservations to their immediate army officers, in the end, army chief take decision on behalf of all.

Unless that decision is below moral ground army values (like making decision because of monetary benefit to army chief, taking commission, nepotism, etc), all generals accept that decision regardless of personal reservations, however weak the decision maybe (and obviously, weak or strong decision reflects personality of army chief as well as level of pressure by other generals, political consideration, and circumstances army chief is facing).

But when an army generals in active service comes to public for statement, they do not give statement on their own behalf, but they have to give statement on behalf of Pakistan armed forces and thus that statement would be, what army chief considered appropriate and decided to follow.

If army general in service makes statement against what army chief decided then obviously that general could get court martialed. … So, generals have two choice when in service … either revolt against their superior (that happens if superior lose moral ground to lead) risking court martial if revolt fails (and that can happen if most in armed forces sides with army chief ... as they may not consider chief's decision below moral ground that army values) … or obey orders (though after giving their own opinions to their superiors).

Once retired, an army general speaks for himself, and then they can make statement what they think was right … not what army chief considered right (even though chief's decision would be with consultation of other generals, various pressures on him, and due to personal character and value).

As for timing, Pakistan is not at war as some people like to portray ... (though even war is not excuse for retired army general not to give their opinion in public). What Pakistan and Pakistan armed forces are doing is trying to fight and clear insurgents, traitors, rebels and terrorists who are creating ‘Fitna and Fasad’ within state (Pakistan), and this in no way can be called emergency or state of war situation, rather this is routine matter for many countries.

Actually, what is happening in Pakistan, armed forces fighting terrorists (or rebels, freedom fighters, etc) who are creating fitna and fasad in country, is such that some countries are doing that for years … For instance, Pakistan is fighting such war in Baluchistan since early 1950s (though comparatively at smaller scale), India is fighting such war in Kashmir and other places since 1947. Sri-lanka fought such war with Tamils for decades. Philippines is fighting this war for decades too … and so on.

And whatever General Athar Abbas mentioned, that would not hinder but would help people understand what is happening in the country. Timing is most appropriate too.

Gen Athar Abbas statement is most appropriate at this time (especially at this time), because Pakistan armed forces have started an operation against Kharjee terrorists. Before the operation and even after operation started, many tried to create impression that these terrorists are 'Asmani Makhluq' causing doubt that Pakistan army cannot crush these terrorists rather terrorists are too strong.

Gen Athar Abbas statement shows that terrorists are not that strong (as some people like to make them), neither army is worried or scared **(or was ever worried or scared) to start operation against Kharjee terrorists, rather army would have started operation against these terrorists long time ago, but it was not weakness in Pakistan army that kept army away from operation, it was a weak army chief that kept the operation from starting due to his own fear and personal weakness.

In other words, people should not worry or doubt that army would be unable to succeed in sending these Kharjee thugs where they belong (fire of Hell).I am pretty sure that General Athar statement must have given moral support and self-belief to army officers and Jawans fighting these Kharjee terrorists ... as impression people were getting from the statements of previous army chief and some coward politicians (and politicians who bed with these terrorists) was that **... Kharjee terrorists are too strong, they defeated America and would defeat Pakistan army, they are Asmani Makhlooq, they would create havoc in Pakistan if operation against them get started, Pakistan army would suffer huge losses (in death and injury), Pakistani people would also suffer badly ... and so on. **But after Gen Athar's Statement, we people, lower ranking Pakistani officers and Jawans would now know that it was not fear of Kharjee Taliban terrorist that was keeping the operation on them at bay (specially operation in N Waziristan and other tribal areas), but it was fear and personal weakness of previous army chief that was holding Pakistan army from operation. **

So, calm down. :)

Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

Your above research is faulty on the grounds that army of other countries do not create terrorists or jehadis what ever to fight their proxy wars with others or use them against own people to create a chaos, failing the civilian governments. These jehadi become terrorists when their guns change the direction towards the creators. That is the most dangerous situation for Pakistan and Pakistan army as faction who created these jehadis are still in the ranks retired, smoked over Cholistan desert or otherwise to fight for their ideology or so called strategic depth.

Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

Plz tell me there is no Punjabi Bashing, NS Bashing etc... then i'll read it.. otherwise.. we all know what you think about NS and PUnjabies

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^^^ I never knew you have started taking Hashish. :) ....

Bhai jaan ... yea aap nay kahan say 'assume' ker liay kay I bash Punjabi?

I may have difference of opinion what you have, but I never expected that you would start hitting someone below belt. It really surprised me.

May nay kab aur kiss post may Punjabi Bashing kee hay?

If I ever wrote on discrimination that exists in Pakistan and put down some facts that such discrimination is Punjab bias, than that does not mean I am bashing Punjabis, rather I am talking about dark system that exists in Pakistan, and would like to get that corrected so that no one feel discriminated.

I could not bash people of Punjab anyhow, because I love Punjabi just like I love any Pakistani (most of us follow same religion and culture ... and look same too). I do not even hate non-Pakistanis, as we are all human being, creation of One God ... so, how can I do Punjabi bashing?

Actually, I do not consider a Punjabi different than me in any way. Many of my close relatives and best friends are from Punjab, all of them trust me, and we like company of each other.

Amongst all Muslim scholars of today, I respect TUQ as most knowledgeable (and he is from Punjab), so?

I also consider Chaudhary Brothers better person and more considerate politicians than Gullu Shareef brothers ... when Chaudhary Brothers are from Punjab and Gullu Brothers migrated to Pakistan from India ... so?

I consider Ayub Khan better ruler than Zia, though Ayub Khan was pakhtun as well as racist but Zia was a Muhajir and was not racist.

Bhai, aap ayesee baat na kiya karo ... accusing someone what that person is not.

But you still want to insist, than please quote any of my post (even one post) where i bashed 'people of Punjab' ... and yea, please do not show that I bashed someone who maybe from Punjab ... as in that sense I can bash a person from anywhere if that person deserve bashing (because of their kartoot) and is public figure.

Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

i hate TTP and shaidullah shahid. They are cruel animals. Right now, Afganistan is under foran control & Rule. Afgans and Haqqanies have right to Defend their country... You guys live in Europe and America. I can Declair You CIA's spokesmen...

But i would not mind if u declair me haqqani or Mullah Umer's Spokesman ;-) @queer and @SID_NY

Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

the only paid CIA agent is Jalaluddin Haqqani, seen here with his paymaster Ronaldpai Reagan, at the whitehouse. but that was before 9-11 etc. and the CIA asset became a threat. you can’t keep poisnous snakes as pets, take heed.

and if you think TTP is cruel, you need to read up on what the taliban did to quell resistance, especially in mazar-e-sharif. TTP will look like disney-princesses.

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jalalul din Haqqani is a man of Principls. He fought against USSR. when US came to knw about his success stories, they invited him and supported him. Now when US attacked afganistan, that man, the haqqani, Stood with Afgan people against US… Simple… Now Haqqanies are playing freely and Kicking the asses of Natto and US. Let them play. We do nt need to interfere until and unless they turn their guns against us.
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Re: Gen. Athar Abbas: Kayani feared religious right’s backlash against him

^^^ If Haqqani wants to fight NATO or Afghan forces, no one stops him. Pakistan can also give him some moral support if he wants to ... I mean, could do Namaz-e-Janaza if any of them get killed.

But why Haqqani is trying to make trouble for Pakistan and involve Pakistan in his Afghan fight?

Whatever he do, he should do that from Afghanistan, not from Pakistan. First of all, Pakistan do not want to neither need to fight with NATO or Afghan government Haqqani is fighting, and him taking refuge in Pakistan make Pakistan involved in Afghan fight, and that means, NATO and Afghanistan having all right to hit Pakistan (what they do with drones).

On the other hand, it is because of people like Haqqani, Afghanistan is giving refuge to Mullah Radio who is making 'Fitna and Fasad' in Pakistan, and we cannot even ask Afghanistan not to do that, as Pakistan is doing the same, giving refuge to Haqqani.

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Dude, its already
“declared”. You dont know that?

I guess you joined late. Let me tell you this then.

After 2001, there were a number of guppies posting in PA forum just like we are doing now. Later it was found out that some were posting from a park in Guantanamo. After that GS owner was invited to white house and after turkey dinner baby bushy told him that from now on CIA agents and their spokesmen will have accounts on GS and report everything they see. So now you can see multiple accounts like centcom, fawad pai or anyone which says NY in their nick or DP.

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