Gaza Under attack

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great artcile by Irfan Hussain in Dawn why Palestinian cause draws so little support in West and rest of the world.

One of my arab friends a tenured professor used to tell me with great disappointment that a wave of arabs and jews started to flood USA pretty much the same time in early 30s..Jewish community focused on academics, journalism, finance and media and produced great professors, influential newspapers, big media centers and financial institutions and all of this helped in shaping a USA society that is primarily in favor of jews and isarel..whereas what did arabs do? they own each and every liquor store from coast to coast!!! and never focused on developing a community to further its cause…

View From Abroad: No end to Palestinian suffering - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

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Jews actually came in the twenties en-masse but i can see what you are saying. Though you make a lot of money, I have seen palestinian / jordanian guys become plumbers than go and get a STEM or TEM degrees. Jews are much more driven.

It is ironic since Jews got that drive from being persecuted, but even though a palestinian might have good business acumen, they are still lagging behind in fields of power. We could include pretty much all arabs in that unless you count the royals, but they are useless as far as muslims go.

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Because our mullahs keep preaching that all you need to get into heaven is memorizing the Quran in Arabic without knowing any Arabic and other such notions.

I have yet to hear a sermon even in he US with a relatively more educated group of Muslims where they praise education, degrees, science, innovation, inventions, cures for diseases and career women. None of that is addressed. Ask them about women and the answer is good woman = stays at home.

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^ I don't know which area(s) you have been visiting in US but that is not the image I got here. Back home in 'rural' areas the mullahs have more 'control' over population and can influence to not pursue higher education but urban population is a different case "who cares" is what they say about molvis. There are tons of universities in Pakistan. True there was a time in united India when Muslim scholars opposed British education but that has not been the case for very long time now.

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Israeli naval shelling kills four boys on Gaza beach: medics | Reuters

4 more innocent young boys killed in gaza beach…if you see pics of their dead bodies, you wont eat for days with grief

with all the atrocities in Gaza, your blood boils and one feels idealistic and wish we had someone like Salah Ayubi who can gather an army and impose same destruction on israel and let them taste their own medicine…

but we have nothing left in muslim ummah. Turkey and Iran simply bark but they got no bite. Pakistan does not even bark anymore, forget the bite…and Hamas is of no use except bringing more and more deaths to innocent Palestinians…it is a vicious cycle which has no end.

does anyone know why did hamas reject the Egyptian proposal? i don’t want to yell at Hamas for doing that until i know what exactly Egyptians proposed…

was Egyptian proposal that bad? I dont know…can someone tell?

and most importantly what exactly is Hamas’s BATNA that they decided to reject the Egyptian proposal? and we now have these 4 innocent baby boys killed which we could have saved had we achieved the ceasefire that Egyptians tried

all i pray that this violence somehow stops…israel is out of control like a wild elephant and hamas continues to throw those useless missiles

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i am curious to know what is the reaction of Indian govt and the india media on gaza? long time ago they used to be pro-Palestine but after becoming budy buddy with USA and israel, i think nowadays they tend to be just quite...dead silence...maybe i am wrong

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^ more concerned with their own economy.

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Didnt read most of this thread so apologies if im being repetitive, but do you think that the Pakistani army should help fellow Palestinians especially as they called upon the Pakistani army. IMO i think they should.

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sure..very smart and great idea brother...i dont know why the hell no one thought about it before

now please help us with logistics...

how many divisions shd go and fight?

israel has a good size well trained army, so we obviously need to send a lot of troops..can we afford it financially? US is definitely not going to pay for this war!!!!

strategically, can we afford leaving Indian border open or even partially open so that we can send aour jawans to help our brothers in gaza? rest is already busy in Fata....

just the army or do we need to send some tanks/planes and all related equipment as well?....where will they stay and stationed and get connected...there are zero communications facilities by the way

and in what capacity will we fight? do we have UN approval? if we send our army without UN approval, it will be violation of UN charter and with serious consequences

these are few questions that came to my stupid mind in last 30 seconds.....laikan i salute your zaba..Allah o Akbar we shd sent our army to Gaza ASAP and kill these mardood yahoodis

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Today first they murdered four kids on the beach and than tried to play politics by declaring "humanitarian" ceasefire. Pathetic terrorists. While big daddy is still asleep while it unruly and blood thirsty child is busy murdering innocent people with guns given by big daddy.

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Hamas terrorists, the israelis are not at fault, the children are, they killed them because they would have become Hamas terrorists when they grew up, there is only room for one terrorist organisation in the region - IDF.

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dont try to be cute here janab sarkar...and yes i know very well in 10 years that you are very sarcastic!

sir jee, i am already with you...Israeli IDF is absolutely a state sponsored terrorist force.

you go to twitter, facebook anywhere...we muslims are condemning day and nite as much as we can..we are crying and boiling with rage but all of that rona pitna did not save these 4 kids...i already said that (and i really mean it) i wish we had salah ayubi....i wish we had a muslim army stationed in gaza who would have destroyed these Israelis....but we got nothing...zero balance sheet!

so what shd we do... you obviously didn't not like my solution....i gave a detailed plan point by point for my solution...i dont care if no one liked coz i believe in it.

now please enlighten me what is your solution...status quo? keep in mind, the goal is to save as many lives as we can of these innocent Palestinians...

and yes i already humbly asked in other post:

does anyone know why did hamas reject the Egyptian proposal? i don't want to yell at Hamas for doing that until i know what exactly Egyptians proposed....

was Egyptian proposal that bad? I dont know...can someone tell?

and most importantly what exactly is Hamas's BATNA (this is the KEY QUESTIOn..WHAT IS hAMAS batna?) that they decided to reject the Egyptian proposal? and we now have these 4 innocent baby boys killed which we could have saved had we achieved the ceasefire that Egyptians tried

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The reasons why Hamas is not letting up makes zero sense. Maybe it's just come to that point for the people of Gaza, that they aren't willing to tolerate more abuse? Even so, they should have taken advantage of the truce.

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Maybe as you drive your car through clifton or defense in Karachi, it seems that way, but view the reality of Pakistan and hard statistics. Vast majority of people can't even read, and you're talking about universities. Universities and positions that sometimes are acquired by a phone call? Over half of the medical seats going to gold-digger ladies who end up not practicing?? Go to Karachi alone, and the vast majority of the world's 3rd biggest city is living in poverty/or working like dogs.

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didnt hear back from anyone as to why hamas rejected the ceasefire...so decided to searh on my own

my first concern was, did hamas reject Egyptian proposal and ceasefiore or did Isrrael reject it first....went to aljazeera website as i did not want to check pro-western news channels...

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             Let me now quote directly from Aljaeera....Per Aljaeeera's main heading

"**Hamas rejected Egyptian proposal calling it "initiative of submission" whereas death toll in Gaza climbs to 189"

**Khaled al-Batch, a senior leader of Hamas said that

"Egypt's role and efforts to end the Israeli aggression and defend the Palestinian people are appreciated" but we will not accept the ceasefire without conditions. It is not acceptable to start observing a ceasefire for short term then negotiate the terms"

In a televised statement on Al-Aqsa TV on Monday, Ismail Haniyeh, the deputy head of the political bureau of Hamas, said

***"the group had been contacted about a ceasefire but we reject it. Every drop of blood is dear to us. My heart and all the people are standing beside these families, but this bloodshed pushes us towards being more committed to our rights and to stopping this aggression, to end this situation in Gaza and the West Bank."

I am speechless. On what basis is Hamas trying to impose its conditions? why is it rejecting ceasefire?

it fired thousands of rockets and only 1 Israeli died....it has no ground power either to fight Israeli army. Hamas own leadership is either sitting safe in Syria or hiding in underground tunnels and 200 innocent Palestinians are dead.

That is why i was asking again and again that what is Hamas's BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement)? Hamas's only alternative is more and more dead bodies of innocent Palestinians and then to use those bodies to put pressure on international community to force israel to agree to Hamas conditions.......................La Hawal wall qowata Illah billah

Sorry i cannot support this approach.......i just cant. IDF is animal but Hamas is also brutal in its approach. Those 4 poor kids could be saved.

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Forget about standing up to Israel for a second, what also irks me the most is that Muslims leaders won't even come together to engage with Hamas. To try communicate and put pressure on them to change their approach for better, and offer political help to devise promising and far reaching policies. But why would Arab leaders want to upset their imperial masters by taking any strong initiative on their own.

Propose a half hearted ceasefire after week of absolutely brutal genocidal killing of innocent people on industrial scale. Hamas doesn't accept it. Shrug shoulders, call it a day, go home, and forget about it.

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The nincompoops can hardly utter a word against genocide and here we are talking about them taking a step to help resolve the issue? Most of them are peeing in the pants at the thought of losing power if they say anything against the genocide.

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BBC News - Palestinian Abu Khdeir murder: Three charged

Wonder why the whole street was not bombed where these terrorists lived and why a few children playing around were not bombed. Oops forgot they were not Palestinians. Just like you know IDF are a terrorist organisation we also know Hamas is to be blamed but what is the solution, looks like what you are advocating is that because these terrorists from Israel have superior armaments the Palestinians should not resist their brutal onslaught. They have no choice but to stand up to these murderers despite knowing that big daddy supports them in this massacare and their lackeys in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and elsewhere will not say anything.