Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
it's about sharing ideas and mentality with people we find compatible. Seriously, I don't wanna see two dudes snogging or telling butt jokes to me.
and how many of your heterosexual friends have you seen snogging, or telling you umm.. youknowhwat jokes?
you aren't alone in your paranoia, most "religious" people seem to think homosexuals are going to strip and do it in front of your kids or something.
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Create? But homosexuality is natural, right? Sodomy is a different issue.
I accept them in terms that they are humans and they have rights and it's natural for them to feel attracted to the same sex but I just don't wanna keep a close relationship with them** likewise you wouldn't keep a close relationship with some desis or some religious people, it's about sharing ideas and mentality with people we find compatible. **Seriously, I don't wanna see two dudes snogging or telling butt jokes to me.
These are your personal views about God, what can I say?
For me it's as clear as water.
Says who? I don't DISLIKE people for who they are. I like everybody equally. I don't discriminate against people based on their race, religion, or culture. The only time someone bothers me is when they are harming another human being emotionally or physically. I have a very good relationship with anyone I meet. I listen and try to understand everyone's point of view but when someone is too blinded by their faith or culture, I have no choice but to let them be.
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Here comes another frustrated thread, trollish posts to mock religious belief clearly to offend/insult certain posters in one way or another.
Are you just interested in knowing people's opinions or forcing your own views to ignite typical God vs 21st century debate?
I never mocked anyone's religious beliefs. As a matter of fact, I have kept it out of the discussion.
And I am not a troll. I am just trying to have a better understanding of my own community I seem to be so different from.
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
and how many of your heterosexual friends have you seen snogging, or telling you umm.. youknowhwat jokes?
you aren't alone in your paranoia, most "religious" people seem to think homosexuals are going to strip and do it in front of your kids or something.
Anyway, coming back to the gay sibling, well as I said if they keep it private then that's fine.
Don't expect me to "accept" the sodomy part coz it goes against my faith, that's it.
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Says who? I don't DISLIKE people for who they are. I like everybody equally.** I don't discriminate against people based on their race, religion, or culture. **The only time someone bothers me is when they are harming another human being emotionally or physically. I have a very good relationship with anyone I meet. I listen and try to understand everyone's point of view but when someone is too blinded by their faith or culture, I have no choice but to let them be.
LOL
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Anyway, coming back to the gay sibling, well as I said if they keep it private then that's fine.
Don't expect me to "accept" the sodomy part coz it goes against my faith, that's it.
i dont understand how you'll have to accept sodomy because your sibling is homosexual or heterosexual.
the OP says the sibling is of your gender. so in your case, this'd be about lesbians.
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
i dont understand how you'll have to accept sodomy because your sibling is homosexual or heterosexual.
the OP says the sibling is of your gender. so in your case, this'd be about lesbians.
well if the lesbian sister has a gf as a sexual partner then that wouldn't be acceptable to me either.
and I do have religious as well as cultural reasons for that.
about accepting sodomy part...i mentioned it coz the OP wasn't satisfied even after me mentioning accepting homosexuals as humans, respecting them and not mistreating them. I think OP wants us to accept their sexual acts as well so it's when when I said that it'd be going directly against our faith.
So in short, accepting my gay/lesb sibling and his/her bf/gf as a sexual partner wouldn't be something acceptable to me. I'm just trying to state an honest opinion without being seeing as a homophobic.
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I dunno - as a test? I don't have all the answers I wish I was the ever seeing eye! my lack of knowledge in this area - does not allow me to answer this.
But I have read that all we do is pre-written, why are we held accountable? Because of the freedom of choice - one book can have many endings. I guess.
you gotta read more about islam. there was already a discussion about it in "religion" section. Right now your concepts is not right. you are trying to find a loop-hole that when everything is pre-written whats the point of us being accountable, which is not true.
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
well if the lesbian sister has a gf as a sexual partner then that wouldn't be acceptable to me either.
and I do have religious as well as cultural reasons for that.
about accepting sodomy part...i mentioned it coz the OP wasn't satisfied even after me mentioning accepting homosexuals as humans, respecting them and not mistreating them. **I think OP wants us to accept their sexual acts as well **so it's when when I said that it'd be going directly against our faith.
So in short, accepting my gay/lesb sibling and his/her bf/gf as a sexual partner wouldn't be something acceptable to me. I'm just trying to state an honest opinion without being seeing as a homophobic.
Um no, I never said that. I actually mentioned let's not think that your sibling is sexually active. It's not for you to imagine how they DO it. I am simply asking to accept them and keep loving them for who they are. YOU said you would not want to keep a close relationship with someone like that. That sounds pretty homophobic to me. You are the one imagining stuff beyond them just being "gay" They are not going to tell you stories of their gayness so you don't have to worry about that. Their gay-ness will not rub off on you or your children.
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Um no, I never said that. I actually mentioned let's not think that your sibling is sexually active. It's not for you to imagine how they DO it. I am simply asking to accept them and keep loving them for who they are. **YOU said you would not want to keep a close relationship with someone like that. That sounds pretty homophobic to me. **You are the one imagining stuff beyond them just being "gay" They are not going to tell you stories of their gayness so you don't have to worry about that. Their gay-ness will not rub off on you or your children.
Actually, I said this, madam.
Rahi baat gay sibling ki tou...if he starts admitting openly being a sinner (oh yeah that includes bragging about fornication too) then I don't think I'd want him around my family.
Of course, they don't have to do those things in front of me, but the sibling being there with a partner is not acceptable to me either as I have said in my previous post.
May be you shouldv'e explained what you meant by "accepting" without taunting people's religious beliefs and accusing them of being not worthy of discussing anything with.
You didn't mention that that homosexual sibling won't ever get a partner and won't ever indulge in sexual acts otherwise I couldv'e simply said that "yes I will accept his sexuality".
I'm just telling you that in what context it is acceptable and in what context it's not.
It will be stupid to expect from them to stay single forever, won't it?
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Actually, I said this, madam.
Of course, they don't have to do those things in front of me, but the sibling being there with a partner is not acceptable to me either as I have said in my previous post.
May be you shouldv'e explained what you meant by **"accepting" without taunting people's religious beliefs and accusing them of being not worthy of discussing anything with.
**You didn't mention that that homosexual sibling won't ever get a partner and won't ever indulge in sexual acts otherwise I couldv'e simply said that "yes I will accept his sexuality".
I'm just telling you that in what context it is acceptable and in what context it's not.
It will be stupid to expect from them to stay single forever, won't it?
I have tried to keep religion out of this as much as I could. Others kept dragging it into the discussion. I am simply avoiding discussing religious beliefs with those that keep mentioning it. I am not taunting anyone's beliefs. Yes, I do believe faith blinds people but I am not being rude or disrespectful about it. I have simply requested all to put religion aside for a minute. Why are WE (the non religious type) expected to understand the muslim point of view but the very second I ask you to consider our pov you find the request/sggestion offensive and insulting? How do you suggest I discuss this issue with someone who has made it very clear that her religion dictates what she thinks and says? It's pretty pointless, don't you think?
I am not taunting, it simply can't happen here without one of us getting banned and more than likely it will be me...:D
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
I have tried to keep religion out of this as much as I could. Others kept dragging it into the discussion. I am simply avoiding discussing religious beliefs with those that keep mentioning it. I am not taunting anyone's beliefs. Yes, I do believe faith blinds people but I am not being rude or disrespectful about it. I have simply requested all to put religion aside for a minute. Why are WE (the non religious type) expected to understand the muslim point of view but the very second I ask you to consider our pov you find the request/sggestion offensive and insulting? How do you suggest I discuss this issue with someone who has made it very clear that her religion dictates what she thinks and says? It's pretty pointless, don't you think?
I am not taunting, it simply can't happen here without one of us getting banned and more than likely it will be me...:D
I understand your point. I know there are few big misconception about homosexuality among muslim communities and probably other societies as well but it's very hard to keep religion completely aside in such issues and on a forum where majority is muslim.
There are stronger feelings against homosexuals than alcoholics or smokers NOT only in muslim or desi communities but also in other people in rest of the world.
Btw, if you want to defend your point regarding homosexuality you can use religion if you're fully aware of the Scripture and its teachings. In Islam, a homosexual person can even lead a prayer so that should be enough for those people, but the problem is most of us find it hard differentiating between sexuality and the sin.
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^ true..
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i think the only reason the homosexual is encouraged to lead the prayer is coz everyone else is paranoid he'd sodomize them if he was prayin at the back.
jk jk
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^LOLOLOL
You shrewd shrewd monkey.. o.O
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guess the paranoia is more about getting checked out by him. :D
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I'd call him a 'fag' and punch him. And then I would support him till kingdom come.
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^ LOL 
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
surely you mean queendom..
Re: Gay Sibling- your reaction
I would sympathise for a while, it's gotta be hard being in that position, after the inital cry I'd tell her that I disapprove and that unless she actively seek help for it I want nothing to do with her. I don't care if it sounds cold, if she even attempt to do something about it I'll support her through thick and thin but if she is, as you said, adamant that it's natural, despite me trying to explain, then I would leave her be and try to continue life without her.
I know the OP will find this cold but to me it's the equivalent of her throwing herself off a bridge, I will do anything, anything at all to stop her, but if she still decides to throw herself over it then I refuse to watch her do it.