I often think god has pre-written our destiny whether we be gay or straight - whether we are black or White, etc - so I often think yes we are given "choice" but in lay terms it's all written before we were born.
^ But if being homo was already 'written' for us, why would we be held accountable for it before our Lord?
I dunno - as a test? I don't have all the answers I wish I was the ever seeing eye! my lack of knowledge in this area - does not allow me to answer this.
But I have read that all we do is pre-written, why are we held accountable? Because of the freedom of choice - one book can have many endings. I guess.
Well in some cases, the other siblings have a hunch (growing up) about one of them being gay. So, it may not come as such as shock. It's haraam in Islam, but what more can you really do other than to explain that religion doesn't condone it...and perhaps ask questions to try and understand why the sibling is gay..try to guide gently....discuss consequences outside of religion as well. How much good will disowning them and verbally banishing them to the fiery depths of hell going to do? Another issue could be that would one feel comfortable having their kids around a sibling (uncle/aunt) that's gay or let's say...believes in a different religion?
Unki qabar, unka hasshar. I would try to understand as much as i could bout where they are xoming from and why they feel that they are gay.... Talk talk talk...discuss discuss..... But at the end of the day, we r blood....cant just give up on it nor shun them from my life. Were, are and always will be my siblings. Cant imagine a life of not knowing where they are and how they are doing.
So let's say your brother/sister confides in you and tells you he/she has feelings for same sex. Would you accept him/her? Maybe even help him/her break the news to your parents?
Of course I'd still accept them as my brother or sister as they'll always be my sibling no matter what. I wouldn't reject them like desi-style as that's not the solution. I'd still love them and want to help them in anyway I could.
I'd never go behind their back and tell my parents though. I'd want my sibling to have full trust and faith in me if they confided in me about such a thing.
Its a confusing and delicate topic. It would be heart breaking to hear such a thing of course and I'd pray to Allah Talah swt for help on this. (Thank god all my siblings are married! Lol!)
Ill kill the **** out of him if he says he is Gay ill force him to shag some bird even if ive to pay for it i wont mind to take that gayish **** out of him
If your sibling has revealed that he/she is a thief and rob people one way or another. What will you do? will you try to push them to not go that rout? what if they still want to continue their trade?
If your sibling has revealed that he/she is a thief and rob people one way or another. What will you do? will you try to push them to not go that rout? what if they still want to continue their trade?
First, the two scenarios are completely different and cannot be compared. Stealing and robbing HARM others, being gay does not HARM others, it's a lifestyle that only affects the one making the decision. I will obviously ask my sibling to stop stealing and robbing because not only is she going to get herself in trouble with the law but she is also TAKING something from another person. If she decided to continue with her lifestyle knowing she can ask me for ANYTHING that will stop her from stealing from others, she'd better realize I won't bail her out if she gets caught. Again two very different situations!
Besides, I personally believe you can't wake up gay one day. A child has to be born gay! How else would you explain a 5 year old boy playing with dolls and wanting to wear dresses?
^ It harms society. Others around begin to think it's fine and others start behaving like that too, it becomes a 'norm', like a bf/gf relationship has become these days.
And I don't believe for a minute that a child is born gay....a boy who plays with dolls may want to because he has sisters and thinks it is normal. At a young age, a child is indifferent to genders - the child thinks everyone is the same, imo.
you would want to correct someone and guide them just because you *love *them ..
So would you support them and let them if they want to step into a fire just because you love them and they are your siblings?
If a gay person is already sexually active, it's safe to say he/she has lost faith altogether. Why would that person continue believing in a God that condemns his/her very existence? It's the ultimate betrayel!
having said that, if he/she is religious and has not committed an act of sodomy, you can try convincing him/her how stepping into a fire and being gay are somewhat similar. At that point, he/she will know you will never understand what he/she is going through hence will stop asking you to support him/her.
^ It harms society. Others around begin to think it's fine and others start behaving like that too, it becomes a 'norm', like a bf/gf relationship has become these days.
How? Why would a person want to live a lie? Like I said previously, some people are gay for fun but it's not nearly as many as you think and it would never come to that point. Something that naturally occurs will not change no matter how much someone wants it. Sure, they may want to experiment, but they will never settle down with someone they are not naturally attracted to.
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What about a boy that has no sisters or sister cousins? How do you explain his "unnatural" behavior? How do you explain homosexuality in animals?
^ That's just it...it is not natural. It will never be natural. Afterall, Allah did not create Adam and Steve, he created Adam and Eve.
The more a person starts thinking s/he is gay, the more s/he will believe it. So, we need to tell them it is not ok, it is wrong, to get it in their thick skulls that actually it is not normal, it is WRONG. And only then, will that person realise s/he is wrong and is not gay and was not predetermined to be gay. You're arguments are like those where somebody says 'I was born as a boy/girl by mistake' - err....no, you were not, if Allah wanted you to be born the opposite gender, he would have made you that gender. The Almighty Allah does not make mistakes, we (humans) make mistakes.
A boy that has no sisters or any female cousins will still be exposed to females, through his mother for instance. His father may not play a large role in his life. These are things that are external, it is what humans are exposed to as children, and on those values and belief system, our lives are based upon.
^Taking abuse for being gay, made fun of for being gay, wanting to protest for being gay - yeah all of that sounds like a lot of fun!
Again, homosexuality is as natural as someone being born with some kind of a mental disorder. At least that's how I see it. No one in their right mind would want to go through all the pain to someday be able to live a normal life. It's easy for you to say...
I can't take someone seriously when all they believe is dictated by their religion, sorry. Please have a brain of your own..