^ This. I have friends/acquintances who are gay/lesbian. In fact, my personal trainer is a gay man who lives with his partner of 17 years. I have also attended same sex weddings/commitment ceremonies. I have more respect for them compared to "religious" people who're heavily involved in the rituals of the specific religion....yet have no problem lying, cheating, and doing other things that actually cause harm to others.
I treat people the way I want them to treat me. I don't like the idea of others judging me b/c of who I chose as my life partner. Thus I don't judge someone else b/c they chose someone of the same sex.
Oh....I wanted to add, whether its straight or homosexual, I don't have any interest in trying to imagine other people's s*x life. I don't understand when people bring this up. A relationship/marriage between a man and a woman involves A LOT more than just s*x. So when 2 men or 2 women choose to get married and spend 10/20/30 years of their lives together......it involves a lot more than lust. We're not talking about 2 random people hooking up at a club (which btw is done by straight AND homosexual people).
So true.. Just because somebody is straight does not guarantee a passage to heaven.
well the hero of gs’ women’s fitness ms. jillian micheals is gay and lives with her partner and two kids. (she calls it her family but we all know that cant be a family, there’s no male peepee. molar fabric is all destroyed like cashmere in a hot wash cycle).
do her workouts and your body fat percentage will drop, your ovaries will shake and turn gay too.
Frankly I think the ones destroying the moral fabric of society are the ones that take a holier than thou approach because they think their view point is more enlightened. And that can be said for the religious and the liberals.
When you decide you have the right to judge another based on your own moral code. Then you are the fault.
We are all entitled to our own opinion; however I would like to point you in the direction of this article. I feel these MEN are causing more damage to the fabric of society than two men who are committed to each other and not doing what these sick sick sick men are doing:
I note your location as Paris; I am assuming from that you will understand the issues we face in Europe being Muslim (sorry again assuming your religion; if I’m wrong sorry).
What the above men did was SELL girls. SELL. That destroys lives; communities and eventually all the good people work towards.
If what someone is doing is NOT hurting me personally then I’m afraid it’s a case for me that I cannot judge them; I have no right to. I’m just another simpleton human.
I don’t have children so I can’t guarantee what my reaction will be if my child turned out to be gay/lesbian. However…I will share my assumptions on what I believe my reaction will be based on my own upbringing.
My parents are much more traditional/religius compared to me. They did their best to teach me to be just like them…but clearly that didn’t work. Throughout the years, I’ve done plenty of things to dissappoint/anger them. To be honest, there was a time in my early 20’s where I was surprised that I wasn’t disowned by them.
Yet no matter what I did…no matter how angry/dissappointed they were…despite telling me how much they hated my actions…my parents always made it clear to me that I will ALWAYS be their daughter, they will always love me, and I am always welcome in their home. So in the future, if my child turns out to be gay/lesbian and at that point I change my tune…OR even if they do other things that I do not approve of…I like to think that I will be able to look past my own feelings/values/morals and be capable of loving my children unconditionally…the same unconditional love my parents have shown me all my life.
** Of course, if my child ends up doing something truly horrible (ie. murder, rape, incest etc.)…that’s when I can actually see myself not being supportive. But choosing someone of the same gender as their life partner doesn’t even come close to what I would consider an unforgivable action.
I see the fabric of society being destroyed by self declared religious people than any gays
Thank you.
I don't have much of an opinion on gay marriages to be honest - no thoughts on it because I understand both sides.
However, gay people are not destroying the fabric of our society. Its US...ourselves. The issue of gay people is NOTHING compared to our real problems. This is a side issue and I do not even think its on the same level as most other problems we are facing right now. Hello...do you read the papers? Watch the news? How can you even find the energy to hate gay people?
^ This. I have friends/acquintances who are gay/lesbian. In fact, my personal trainer is a gay man who lives with his partner of 17 years. I have also attended same sex weddings/commitment ceremonies. I have more respect for them compared to "religious" people who're heavily involved in the rituals of the specific religion....yet have no problem lying, cheating, and doing other things that actually cause harm to others.
I treat people the way I want them to treat me. I don't like the idea of others judging me b/c of who I chose as my life partner. Thus I don't judge someone else b/c they chose someone of the same sex.
Oh....I wanted to add, whether its straight or homosexual, I don't have any interest in trying to imagine other people's s*x life. I don't understand when people bring this up. A relationship/marriage between a man and a woman involves A LOT more than just s*x. So when 2 men or 2 women choose to get married and spend 10/20/30 years of their lives together......it involves a lot more than lust. We're not talking about 2 random people hooking up at a club (which btw is done by straight AND homosexual people).
That's just a liberal way of saying " I don't have any moral standards" therefore everyone is right. I can say the same thing about rapists and child molesters who have their own point of view defending what they do. Why judge them then? A child molester is actually a misunderstood artist who appreciates the beauty of a child's anatomy in the most unique way. Please don't judge. A rapist is a philosopher and a also a researcher. Please don't judge him either he has his point of view too. It's one thing that the very act is unnatural, but for us to start accepting it as normal...not me madam.. What hypocrisy. If there's nothing wrong with 2 gay guys marrying each other, then I ask you to prove how liberal you are by keeping your child with them for a few weeks. Also homosexuality does cause harm to society just as prostitution does. Research shows that the spread of AIDS can be attributed to homosexuality and prostitution. So purely from a scientific point of view, it is a health risk. Also research also indicates that homosexuals are like to have 3x the number of sexual partners then do hetro-sexuals, so statistically speaking, they are virus carriers and more likely to infect
That's just a liberal way of saying " I don't have any moral standards" therefore everyone is right. I can say the same thing about rapists and child molesters who have their own point of view defending what they do. Why judge them then? A child molester is actually a misunderstood artist who appreciates the beauty of a child's anatomy in the most unique way. Please don't judge. A rapist is a philosopher and a also a researcher. Please don't judge him either he has his point of view too. It's one thing that the very act is unnatural, but for us to start accepting it as normal...not me madam.. What hypocrisy. If there's nothing wrong with 2 gay guys marrying each other, then I ask you to prove how liberal you are by keeping your child with them for a few weeks.
That seems to be a pretty unreasonable response to what she said. There's a huge difference between allowing gay marriages and child molesters - and if you cannot differentiate between the two and consider them to be equal then I believe your moral code needs some reviewing.
I think people who like to kick up a storm over gay marriages usually have other personal issues.
homosexuals are like to have 3x the number of sexual partners then do hetro-sexuals, so statistically speaking, they are virus carriers and more likely to infect
but why are you worried about catching HIV if homosexuals decide to marry and commit to one partner? it should improve things if any thing.
also did not understand how you would catch the virus from homosexuals and prostitutes.
but why are you worried about catching HIV if homosexuals decide to marry and commit to one partner? it should improve things if any thing.
also did not understand how you would catch the virus from homosexuals and prostitutes.
The 3x more lively statistic is for homos whether they are married or not. Queer to learn how HIV virus is contracted, just google. The rate of HIV is also higher in homos then the normal population, combine that with the fact that they have more sexual partners and you see where I am going. And Reha, whose reference point are we going to use to judge what is acceptable and what is not? Who's yard stick says homosexuality is ok and child molestation is not? Yes you will not believe what I believe and vice verse, but what if I believe in child molestation, why can't you be the liberal you guys are and say you can't judge someone? Who draws that line? Some random dudes in suites and ties or some pencil pushers in an arm chair will decide the line? I don't think so. The lines have already been drawn by the one who created us just as a car's maintenance instructions are best produced by it's manufacturer.
And Reha, whose reference point are we going to use to judge what is acceptable and what is not? Who's yard stick says homosexuality is ok and child molestation is not? Yes you will not believe what I believe and vice verse, but what if I believe in child molestation, why can't you be the liberal you guys are and say you can't judge someone? Who draws that line? Some random dudes in suites and ties or some pencil pushers in an arm chair will decide the line? I don't think so. The lines have already been drawn by the one who created us just as a car's maintenance instructions are best produced by it's manufacturer.
Again, your reasoning is strange.
You want to equate homosexuality with child molestation. Why would anyone with a sound moral code do that?
What is wrong with you? Have you ever actually met victims of sexual violence/abuse? Gay marriage (ie. 2 consenting adults becoming each other’s life partner legally and having the ability to claim all the legal rights that come with it) has absolutely NOTHING to do with rape (ie. having sex with someone against their will) or child…and pay attention to this part…CHILD molestation! Its insulting to victims to rape/child abuse to have what they went through being compared to a gay marriage (ie. again…2 consenting adults).
Not sure what your point is there. Why shouldn’t a child be left for a few weeks with 2 gay guys or 2 lesbian women? Will that turn the child into a homosexual? Are they going to abuse the child just b/c they’re homosexual? I know several gay/lesbian couples who have children and from what I have seen/heard…they’re wonderful parents. On the flip side, I know plenty of heterosexual couples who have done nothing but make their children’s life a living hell. It would be stupid for any parent to assume that their child is safe just b/c the person watching them is straight. On the flip side, it’s equally ignorant to think that the child will suffer harm simply b/c the person is homosexual.
It would totally weird for a guy/girl taking their soon to be spouses to see their parents and instead of a mom and a dad you'd have a mom and mom or dad and dad. I would run away from that girl like black people run away from the police.
I have been keenly reading through the responses. As it happens in every social event or when a new norm makes its way into a society, the reactions are both ways. It wasn't strange for me to know that certain developed nations are actively pursuing to allow this gay/lesbian relationships to be formalized and legalized. They had a point in doing so and that is - "they have reached to a level where they admit to every fact they encounter" This is what my first observation was when I happened to study about them. Much similar to many of the people who happen to find this to be an ugly affair, I found this to be strange as well but then when I interacted with them I was told by them: "Does this not happen in your society?" I woke up to a reality that "yes it does". I adduce here the incident from the memories of my own childhood where one of my friend who was very good looking was eyed at by other boys. I would, perhaps, never forget a very bad physical fight that took place right inside our school between these contenders who beat each other like beasts because of the jealousy amongst themselves that who should have him. We rescued our friend who was trembling in fear. This event signifies the sexual harassment or abuse which some of my friends like Paheli, Global Gal, Nina etc are talking about. This deliberate and intentional recalling and reviewing of the event made me realize that we are very much capable of denying the facts even when they unfold in front of us. My further probe into this phenomena startled me. The Asian society which includes India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc has a sizeable number of gays and lesbians! I shrugged of the bias that I felt I had against these people and resolved that I will not judge them.
The developing societies have yet to learn to speak the truth and admit to certain dilemmas the nature has put us in. Societies are never going to reconcile, one would lead the other and they will rise and fall. Let me remind the readers here that this discussion may please be viewed from sociological/anthropological view only. I repeat my observation that such gay/lesbian feeling is a "condition" which is so very real to them that they cant live without. No one should feel threatened that they will profess this because it is not something that is going to be professed. In my personal opinion they are the fourth and fifth gender with whom we may not identify, agree or live with but they are a reality to themselves.
I have been keenly reading through the responses. As it happens in every social event or when a new norm makes its way into a society, the reactions are both ways. It wasn't strange for me to know that certain developed nations are actively pursuing to allow this gay/lesbian relationships to be formalized and legalized. They had a point in doing so and that is - "they have reached to a level where they admit to every fact they encounter" This is what my first observation was when I happened to study about them. Much similar to many of the people who happen to find this to be an ugly affair, I found this to be strange as well but then when I interacted with them I was told by them: "Does this not happen in your society?" I woke up to a reality that "yes it does". I adduce here the incident from the memories of my own childhood where one of my friend who was very good looking was eyed at by other boys. I would, perhaps, never forget a very bad physical fight that took place right inside our school between these contenders who beat each other like beasts because of the jealousy amongst themselves that who should have him. We rescued our friend who was trembling in fear. This event signifies the sexual harassment or abuse which some of my friends like Paheli, Global Gal, Nina etc are talking about. This deliberate and intentional recalling and reviewing of the event made me realize that we are very much capable of denying the facts even when they unfold in front of us. My further probe into this phenomena startled me. The Asian society which includes India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc has a sizeable number of gays and lesbians! I shrugged of the bias that I felt I had against these people and resolved that I will not judge them.
The developing societies have yet to learn to speak the truth and admit to certain dilemmas the nature has put us in. Societies are never going to reconcile, one would lead the other and they will rise and fall. Let me remind the readers here that this discussion may please be viewed from sociological/anthropological view only. I repeat my observation that such gay/lesbian feeling is a "condition" which is so very real to them that they cant live without. No one should feel threatened that they will profess this because it is not something that is going to be professed. In my personal opinion they are the fourth and fifth gender with whom we may not identify, agree or live with but they are a reality to themselves.
Capricon what you are describing is so much different from what's taking place now. You describe the existence of homosexuals in all the societies and no one can deny that. Yes there is the so called "third" gender who are born with certain attributes and conditions-fair enough. However, what's taking place here is so much different. This is the phenomenon of homosexuality being made into something "cool" and "exotic" and otherwise perfectly normal people are joining the band wagon as this is encouraged and prompted through the media. We are talking about the "legalization" of marriage and making it main stream as opposed to it being something abnormal and unnatural. No on is denying that homos are everywhere, but they should be diagnosed with a psychological disorder of manifest perversion and treated accordingly, not allowed to hold offensive gay ceremonies. Just take a look at the comments of this forum, you will see the regurgitation of the brainwashed members repeated what they have been taught from early on. I have heard them all my life too but i know better and can think for myself and will not be joining the band wagon.
Why shouldn’t a child be left for a few weeks with 2 gay guys or 2 lesbian women? Will that turn the child into a homosexual? Are they going to abuse the child just b/c they’re homosexual? I know several gay/lesbian couples who have children and from what I have seen/heard…they’re wonderful parents. On the flip side, I know plenty of heterosexual couples who have done nothing but make their children’s life a living hell. It would be stupid for any parent to assume that their child is safe just b/c the person watching them is straight. On the flip side, it’s equally ignorant to think that the child will suffer harm simply b/c the person is homosexual.