hmmmm are they in need for some wisdom? I ams ure I can spare a few minutes. do they speak english there?
yes they speak english. fortunately, they don't need pir wir like u!
yes they speak english. fortunately, they don't need pir wir like u!
they need diff type of pir then?
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They do engage in piri but of a different nature.
**Prithee don't screw your wit beyond the compass of good manners. **
ROFL :D
come on man, that was no joke. sincere advice because he asked for it in another thread. i respect the institution and so do millions of others. don't take it as sarcasm. thanks.
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how come gay guys are so good looking.... and gay women...are not?
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Beautiful trolling. I rather impressed with your skill. However the natural comments make me think if homosexuality is in fact a genetic defect. There are statements that homosexuality is natural. It is part of our genetic structure. However it is by no means a dominant gene. Well we don't even know yet if it is a gene. It could actually be a gene that has been corrupted.
The gene is not dominant - logically. It is recessive and with a population explosion that we have, the recessive genes have come to light. Just like a higher percentage of children born with down syndrome than compared to 30 years ago etc.
Regardless of the natural or un-natural status of the homosexuality. It is a sin in Islam. If you are openly gay, then you are openly a kafir. I would personally worry about your fate in the here after than getting laid.
Beautiful trolling. I rather impressed with your skill. However the natural comments make me think if homosexuality is in fact a genetic defect. There are statements that homosexuality is natural. It is part of our genetic structure. However it is by no means a dominant gene. Well we don't even know yet if it is a gene. It could actually be a gene that has been corrupted.
The gene is not dominant - logically. It is recessive and with a population explosion that we have, the recessive genes have come to light. Just like a higher percentage of children born with down syndrome than compared to 30 years ago etc.
Regardless of the natural or un-natural status of the homosexuality. It is a sin in Islam. If you are openly gay, then you are openly a kafir. I would personally worry about your fate in the here after than getting laid.
Nodoubt having gay activities in Islam is totally haram no matter wat. but word Kafir came from root word Kufr :) and its totally something else. Whenever i talk about islam, i always prefer using terminology that i know meaning of instead of giving rulings about islam with no knowledge. If u r a gay u r not doing KUFR, just like practising adultery, consuming alcohol, lieing and eating pork is not KUFR but HARAM.
and yeah again, its totally haram in islam to have a gay relationship or having gay activities. Feelings are natural, otherwise noone leave a hot chick for a muscular hairy guy. (talking about hollywood stars)
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Err...Kafir refers to someone who rejects the faith. Being gay would fall into that. I am not sure what arabic to english dictionary you used.
Secondly homosexuality as a whole is unacceptable. It is not limited to acts.
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning “rejecter” or “ingrate”. In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize God (Allah) or the prophethood of Muhammad (i.e., any non-Muslim) or who hides, denies, or covers the “truth”. In cultural terms, it is seen as a derogatory term[1]](Kafir - Wikipedia) used to describe an unbeliever, non-Muslims, apostate from Islam and even between Muslims of different sects. It is usually translated into English as “infidel” or “unbeliever”.
This is from wikipedia, but even if u check any arabic dictionary its gona be same.
and my dear brother is islam, leme tell u onething, doing something haram doesn not make u Nonmuslims/Kafir. Intermingling of sexes in Islam is Haram, but we do interminget with other sexes, are we kaafirs? there so many muslims who consume alcohol, they are kaafirs? we are ordered to lower are gazes when we see a women but we watch movies starring actresses with all kind of inapropiate clothings, are we kaafirs?.
i dono who told u this, but as i said in my last post that dont make any rulings if u dont have sufficient knowlede about something.
Yes homosexuality is HAram in islam and it has very serious consequences and Allah totally dislikes this act, but practising it makes u a bad muslim, not a Non muslim of kaafir 
And my dear brother coming to ur last comments that homosexuality as a whole is unacceptable, now the question is that is it unacceptable to u my brother or to Islam??
biological professors are divided in to two groups now, one group believes that it is natural and it occurs in result of some particular issues when the baby is in the womb of her mother, and the other says that its not natural its just a choice.
so in first case if its natural and is a result of something that happened b4 u was born, Allah is gona hold u responisble for it?? Heck NO. U will be attracted towards man naturally but u have to prevent urself from doing any inapropiate thing with em, its just like when u are fasting u know food is in the fridge and it smells good, it tastes good and u r hungry aswell, but u can not eat it cuz u know its against Allah’s will, homosexuality in islam is also same, u are attracted towards guys but u will prevent urself from having sex with em or talking inapropiate stuff with em and eventually u will marry a girl instead of a guy. now how the heck it is haram??
There is a whole verse in Quran that says that u wont be held responsible for something u dont have control on. so please re consider ur views that every haram act makes u non muslim and even u keep urself away from bad stuff and u r naturally homosexual still u r unacceptable to the society.
and the second bilogical view we all know is haram in ISlam.
again please make rulings regarding Islam when u have some knowledge about it.
ps. anything right said in this post is from Allah and everything wrong said in this post is from me, and its Allah who knows the best and its him who makes all the rulings.
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Look at wikipedia link you quoted. Look at the second and third paragraph. Re-read my post.
Are you making the claim that homosexual love is acceptable in Islam? If so please provide the necessary Quranic verses that make the distinction and also that states that homosexual love is acceptable?
Also you keep saying before birth? Who has proved that homosexuality is biologically natural? If they have please link the study and the genome that is responsible for it.
My 2 cents in the matter, if anyone cares.
When miss W was in preschool and kindergarten she had a friend, a little boy. He was a beautiful boy, no not handsome or good looking BEAUTIFUL. all the moms use to rave about his beauty. At 4/5 yrs he liked boys. According to his mom thats the way he had always been. We left that school once the kids started middle school but to me that and other evidences like that make me think that this might be genetic/ gene related.
As far as judging anyone as harshly as sometimes people seem to do here is IMHO wrong. Who knows how much gunahgar I am then how can I appoint myself somebodys judge and jury. In a case like this being a muslim ( or any Ibrahimi religion follower for that matter) one already knows Islams take on it and realizes that he/she is in deep poo. I for one do not want to add to that burden with my judgment.
To Kori, I hope you find peace, ameen
Like George Takei is so good looking while Ellen Degeneres is so ugly 
Look at wikipedia link you quoted. Look at the second and third paragraph. Re-read my post.
Are you making the claim that homosexual love is acceptable in Islam? If so please provide the necessary Quranic verses that make the distinction and also that states that homosexual love is acceptable?
Also you keep saying before birth? Who has proved that homosexuality is biologically natural? If they have please link the study and the genome that is responsible for it.
1) Brother thats seriously ignorance at its peak.
I just took the definition from wikipedia to show wat kafir means, and i also said if u dont like this definition u can check some other source its gona be same, and just to clear that scholars have debates on who is kafir and who is not cuz some say all non muslims are not kafirs, eg) christians and jews are not Kaafirs as they believe in God, but hindus and sikhs are kaafirs and they second group believes that whoever doesn agree with "La ilaha ilalaho Muhamadu rasool Ullah" is a Kaafir. i can post the definition from someother place if u want, its still not gona prove that who ever does haram stuff is kafir.
u just picked and chose the stuff u wanted from my post just for the heck of argument. u are asking me for Quranic reference, but u ignored that i asked u for Quranic references that where does it say that who ever does something haram is a kafir? cuz muslims do haram stuff, like adultery, consume alcohol and stuff and there are punishments for this but it doesn make u kaafir. and u didn even bother replying to that part cuz u didn have answer for that.
2) U didn even bother reading my post. i repeatedly said in my post that homosexuality is haram in islam, gayism is haram in Islam, i kept on repeating the fact that it is haram in my both previous post, i dono wat makes u think that i said its acceptable.
ur claim was that whole concept of homosexuality is unacceptable not just actions. and i said if its a natural desire (like one group of bilogist claim) then all u r homosexual by birth and u r attracted towards guys automatically, and for this attraction u dont have any gunah like we guys are not supposed to get attracted by any other girl but we have to cntrol ourselves for it, they should also control their feelings and marry a girl nomatter wat, there is no gunah for their feelings if they control it and try their best to change theirselves.
3)I said there are two groups of biologist who says its natural cuz its affected by some pre birth syndrome and one group of bilogists say its not. and i said if first is the case then for feelings there is no gunah if u control em and marry a girl and keep ur secual activies to ur wife, and we agree on the secnd one.
for the link u can search google, u can find millions of it. m leaving for Jummah prayer for now. there are so many books written by doctors on this.
i think Kori answered it very well. their is nothing wrong with being gay feelings as its natural but its haram to fullfil ur gay desires as islam's translation in english means "Submission" u have to submit ur desires.
so yeah i agree with kori 100% that being attracted by guys is alright and **normal **but fulfilling ur desires is haram.
and yeah b4 anyone askes me, YES I M ALHUMDULILAH STRAIGHT 100%
No dude. Gay thoughts are not "normal" in man, it is considered sickness (refer to Kori's words, "hate the sickness, not the sick" :D). Normal is what God made man (for).
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Something my nun told me in HS, homosexual thoughts/feelings are not a sin, but a homosexual lifestyle is a sin. Ie someone can have gay thoughts but if they dont act on it...they're not doing anything wrong.
No dude. Gay thoughts are not "normal" in man, it is considered sickness (refer to Kori's words, "hate the sickness, not the sick" :D). Normal is what God made man (for).
Budy i never said its normal, i said biologists are divided in to two groups, one say its natural and the other says its not. and m talking about bilogists, go to the nearest book stores or library, both sides have really strong arguments, they are not just beating about the bushes just like me and u.
Something my nun told me in HS, homosexual thoughts/feelings are not a sin, but a homosexual lifestyle is a sin. Ie someone can have gay thoughts but if they dont act on it...they're not doing anything wrong.
Thats the whole point i m trying to make in this thread.