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Originally posted by Xpress:
**AOA
Asif_k, brother you seem to take everything so seriously and you have hard time taking a little critcizim over your team's current form.
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Dont worry express bhai... He still thinks India is number 1 despite all those miserable 16 years of defeat... Let it be...
I believe he has not attacked the batting, as everyone realizes India does have a solid batting, just unable to counter the opportunity.
Spock, you seem to be stuck on the fact that India suck, which is ruining this thread
(Like many hundreds many of you guys have done). There is other ways to express your emotions, than verbelly putting a team down for no reason.
Anyways, neither am I a fan of Dev or Gavaskar, but listening to their opinions is really crucial. But let's not forget, it's not what a individual explains, but what the individual believes in.
Tendulkar just needs to focus, clear his mind, and spend some time with himself to think, not for Gavaskar to think for him.
Anything is possible if you put your mind to it
2.Sri Lanka Comes to your Country beats you up (That is 3 times in a row)
England comes to your Country beats you up
Australia comes to your country beats you up
South Africa comes to your country beats you up.
Now who is left...Bangladesh ?? And you say you are the no. 1 team in the world ??? SURE, If you say so pal.
Sure your team can BAT,BOWL and FIELD too.Bus they cant win at home.
Zeroes home Zeroes abroad - 50 years and haven't won a single test series in West Indies and Australia and call themselves as no. one team.
AK
[This message has been edited by Asif_k (edited July 31, 2002).]
Now as we have been “diverted” to Pak and Ind comparision while discussing Gavaskar and K.Dev comments about Tendulkar. Here are the statistics
Test Record:
TEAM M W L D W%
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PAKISTAN 285 85 69 131 29.82%
INDIA 357 71 120 165 19.88%
OneDay Record:
TEAM M W L D W%
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PAKISTAN 522 278 228 6 53.25%
INDIA 504 233 249 3 46.23%
Still wanna compare in-comparable
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
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If someone’s claim of Pakistan being No1 Provoke someone else then lets go step by step and lets agree on Pakistan’s Team is Better than Indian Team …agree ?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
If you can smile when things go wrong, you have someone in mind to blame.
[This message has been edited by BAYWAQOOF (edited July 31, 2002).]
AOA
As far as we have Pakistan be humiliating at home subject brought up.
here are some eye opening stats!
http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/STATS/TESTS/RESULTS/TEST_RECORD_BY_COUN TRY.html
HOME TESTS
Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Pakistan 128 45 18 65 0 71.42
West Indies 174 69 31 74 0 68.99
Australia 323 172 85 65 1 66.66
England 402 150 97 155 0 60.72
Sri Lanka 63 24 17 22 0 58.53
India 187 54 43 89 1 55.10
South Africa 147 52 50 45 0 50.98
New Zealand 144 31 48 65 0 39.24
Zimbabwe 32 5 13 14 0 27.77
Bangladesh 5 0 4 1 0 0.00
So by looking at that Pakistan’s aren’t zeroes at home!
More like heroes!
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Asif_k bhai, yes its true that Pakistan have been miserable at home and away in past couple years.
But then again most of the teams that came humiliated us in our backyard were also were defeated in their backyard as well.
Pak beat Zim in Zim
Pak tied with Eng in Eng and also Pak won previous 3 test series in Eng.
Pak beat SL in SL
Pak has also won 2 of the last 3 one day series in Aus including Aus.
So now Pak is more like heroes home and heroes abroad
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
[This message has been edited by Xpress (edited July 31, 2002).]
[This message has been edited by Xpress (edited July 31, 2002).]
Asif, HAVE A LOOK AT YOURSELVES... 16 YEARS WINLESS... You cant even win a series against minnows let alone teams like australia...
I suggest you face reality and have a look at India's win record, and ours... I know its hard looking at the mirror with an ugly face youve got...
HOME TESTS
Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Pakistan 128 45 18 65 0 71.42
West Indies 174 69 31 74 0 68.99
Australia 323 172 85 65 1 66.66
England 402 150 97 155 0 60.72
Sri Lanka 63 24 17 22 0 58.53
India 187 54 43 89 1 55.10
South Africa 147 52 50 45 0 50.98
New Zealand 144 31 48 65 0 39.24
Zimbabwe 32 5 13 14 0 27.77
Bangladesh 5 0 4 1 0 0.00
So by looking at that Pakistan’s aren’t zeroes at home!
More like heroes!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
Asif_k bhai, yes its true that Pakistan have been miserable at home and away in past couple years.
But then again most of the teams that came humiliated us in our backyard were also were defeated in their backyard as well.
Pak beat Zim in Zim
Pak tied with Eng in Eng and also Pak won previous 3 test series in Eng.
Pak beat SL in SL
Pak has also won 2 of the last 3 one day series in Aus including Aus.
So now Pak is more like heroes home and heroes abroad
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
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Pakistans best home win record of 71.42% seems bad to Mr. Asif_k, who believes India’s no.6 home record of 55% is better somehow… hahaha
Now dont even consider bringing up the away test records, as then we all know where hindustan stands…
[This message has been edited by Spock (edited July 31, 2002).]
You asked for it!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
AWAY TESTS
Team Tests Won Lost Drawn Tied Win %
Australia 302 101 87 113 1 53.43
West Indies 212 73 77 61 1 48.34
England 394 120 134 140 0 47.24
Pakistan 154 37 51 66 0 42.04
South Africa 116 28 46 42 0 37.83
New Zealand 155 20 71 64 0 21.97
Sri Lanka 63 8 31 24 0 20.51
India 170 17 77 76 0 18.08
Zimbabwe 31 2 20 9 0 9.09
Bangladesh 8 0 8 0 0 0.00
TOTAL 1605 406 602 595 2
so Asif_k, let me summarize this for you...
Win %at home Win% abroad
Pakistan 71.42% 42%
India 55.10% 18%
I am sick and tired of arguments where you are defending something as pathetic as that record... Next time defend something worthwhile...
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Originally posted by Spock:
*Asif, HAVE A LOOK AT YOURSELVES... 16 YEARS WINLESS... You cant even win a series against minnows let alone teams like australia... *
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Same thing can be said about your home record. 8 years, You can't even win against Zimbabwe, Australia to baad ki baat hai.
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I suggest you face reality and have a look at India's win record, and ours... I know its hard looking at the mirror with an ugly face youve got...
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I know India's record abroad, why not look at yours - How many series wins against WI and Australia ?? ZERO . and you call yourself No. one team.
AK
OK lads enough of the diversion away from the thread. Can we now get back to the thread. Any further posts not relating to the thread will be deleted.
Asif-K stop it
[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited August 01, 2002).]
*Another important reason for the Indian thinktank’s eagerness to play here and bat, is the poor form of Tendulkar. He needs to make some runs to be in a confident frame of mind.
It may sound uncomplimentary, but for the first time in his career, people are talking about the need for Tendulkar to take these practice games seriously. His form is a genuine concern.
So is that of Ganguly’s. He contrived his own dismissal in the first innings of the Lord’s Test and in the second, he was in the middle for a minute only.*
Spock bhai, leave it .
[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited August 01, 2002).]
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
**Same thing can be said about your home record. 8 years, You can't even win against Zimbabwe, Australia to baad ki baat hai.
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Ehsan bhai, just let me point out one fact then, please...
8 years -> Then how come Pakistan defeated Windies in 1997-98 3-0 whitewash in Pakistan?
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Originally posted by Spock:
** Ehsan bhai, just let me point out one fact then, please...
8 years -> Then how come Pakistan defeated Windies in 1997-98 3-0 whitewash in Pakistan? **
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Tsk Tsk, Only If you had read my posts carefully - I was talking in reference to Australia - since you mentioned India could not beatAustralia.
Last time you beat them at home was 1994, This is 2002 - That's almost 8 years.
AK
[This message has been edited by ehsan (edited August 01, 2002).]
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Originally posted by Asif_k:
** Tsk Tsk, Only If you had read my posts carefully - I was talking in reference to Australia - since you mentioned India could not beatAustralia.
Last time you beat them at home was 1994, This is 2002 - That's almost 8 years.
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Ok, so how many times has Australia visited Pakistan since 1994 for a test match series? JUST ONCE, SO STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!
and better yet, we went to australia and defeated them 2-1 recently (with their umpires), something India can only dream of!
[This message has been edited by Spock (edited August 02, 2002).]
Asif whether Pakistan wins at home or away which it does that doesn't hide the fact that India is probably in the worst state it has ever been in.
Instead of replying by insulting Pakistani cricket look at the Indian cricket team and look how they are struggling.
The bowling has been weak for India you can't deny that. Kumble has been poor since his injury. Srinath probs your best pacer has retired. This leaves you with the likes of Agarkar bowling. Zaheer is probably your best bowler and he is not yet world class but he is a good sign. Harbajan is inconsistent but yes can deliver a good performance once in a while. However you can't deny that India have a world class set of bowlers which other nations have especially the pace attack which is non existent. Compare Nehra/Khan to a Mcgrath/Gillespie or even a Waqar/Wasim.
The spinners aren't even world class. Muralitheran and Saqlain can win matches, currently there is not one India bowler that is a matchwinner like a Dev or in the 90s Kumble.
The batting has been rocky recently. 221 against a weak England attack without Caddick or Gough. These are not god signs for India. India used to be known to be an excellent batting team with excellent batsmen. Now however they are excellent batsmen but a poor batting team. Besides Dravid there is not one player in the India side who is consistent which wasn't the case a few years ago where Tendulkar, Ganguly where all consistent.
This is not an India bashing thread but is simply a discussion about the decline of Indian cricket. Nobody is insulting players just that the quality of Indian cricket has decreased as a whole.
Now don't reply insulting Pakistani cricket as the discussion os not about Pakistan but is about Indian cricket.
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Originally posted by Spock:
Ok, so how many times has Australia visited Pakistan since 1994 for a test match series? JUST ONCE, SO STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!
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Is that my fault ?? You got one chance and you were beaten - Mark Taylor led His team to victory after some 39 years or so. And they beat you with your best attack (Spin as well as Fast), and you telling me I am making excuses ?
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and better yet, we went to australia and defeated them 2-1 recently (with their umpires), something India can only dream of!
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You are the one who is dreaming here, Pakistan has never beaten Australia in Australia in a TEST SERIES. If you are talking about ODIs, then are sure that India has never won a ODI SERIES in Australia ??
AK
AOA
Asif_k, for once can you please leave Pakistan out of this.
Why do you always come to Pakistan when one of us points an error in your team.
Please stay on the topic about Tendulkur.
OK yes we all admit India is better than Pakistan, now please don't get off topic and talk what happend to Tendulkur and India at lords.