Gandhara Civilization

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well Gandhara was rampaged by Huns, Kushans, and countless other invaders at different points of time.

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you didn't visit taxila museum?

I heard locals living nearby ruins have stories about haunting of such places. They believe that if you take something from ruins, souls living there will follow you. Heard that in Chokandi's graveyard's case. did you come across such stories in Taxila?

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I have visited taxila museum in the past, but not in this visit. In any case I don't think they'd allow me to photograph the items at display there.

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I am sure it was. I am referring to the wanton destruction of centers of learning for which Takshashila was famous for by barbarians as recorded by Al biruni.

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I think Indus script is the only one in the subcontinent that is not properly deciphered yet. It must be one of the following: 1. Greek incluenced script since Greek was also widely taught at the University. 2. Pali- The language in which Ashoka ruled. 3. Sharada script - which was widely used in and around the Kashmir region. 4. Gupta script which was popular in Punjab. 5. Old Devnagari which was used all over North India including Sindh before Islamization and the adoption of Persian script. 6. The most obvious choice is Brahmi which was used between 3 BC and 5AD all over present day India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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This is not Gupta script for sure, as the stupas date to around 3 century bc. So it would be mauryan script, Greeks or maybe even Persian. I'll see if I can find out.

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http://eprints.hec.gov.pk/4220/1/Comprehensive_Report_AA.pdf

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The script I think is kharoshti,

Encyclopedia of Ancient Asian Civilizations - Charles Higham - Google Books

its strange that the numerals for 1, 2, 3 are the same that we use in Urdu now adays.

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I have visited taxila museum in 2007 but didnt know about these remains in taxila :bummer:

Is it around the museum?

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^ yes around the museum & I have seen quite a few remains around but there are many more which I have not seen myself. We have got a treasure of history which needs to be protected and propagated.

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Were those people ethnic Pashtuns?

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^ could be I am not sure (too many invasions), in most of these areas we have Pashtuns and punjabis. Most of punjabis themselves are from Central Asia (like jatts who are scythians).

my personal gut feeling is that Pashtuns could have some relationship to Greeks, as the ruins of taxila clearly depict Greek, mauryan and indo Greek influences.

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Most likely they were the Pashtuns or the early ancestors of them.

According to DNA studies, Pasthuns are a hybrid mix of Tajiks, North Indian, West Indian and other central asian populations.

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I think the Pashtuns have always existed in some form or the other. Rigveda mentions a tribe called "Pakta" inhabiting eastern Afghanistan . Herodetus calls them Pactyans. Successive intermingling over the ages have occurred so their DNA implies that they are a mix of ethnicities.

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Greek civilization did impact local people. But Greeks did not have any significant impact on ethnicity of the area. Besides it is difficult to believe that Greeks could have effected the large area where Pashtuns reside (which includes all Afghanistan).

Gandhara people may be part-ancestors of present day Pashtuns. Pashtuns are a branch of Iranian people, and Gandhara civilization already existed at the time when Iranian people had started migration to present day Iran and Afghanistan.

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Isn't 'always' an absolute term? Everyone came from somewhere else at some point of time in history.

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I meant with a form of the name "Pashtun" a tribe has always existed there. Their ethnicities have mixed up over time.

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Ancient sculptures crumbling due to lack of attention - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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Nope, the hindkowans and various "hamsayas" of Pashtuns might be the descendents of Gandharians. Pashtun migration to Peshawer valley , Swat valley and plain areas of KPK is only a millennium old. That being said , Karlanri hill tribes of FATA are very old, mentioned even by Greek Historian. The original abode of Pashtuns was Koh Sulieman range in Baluchistan from where they spread to other areas. Dilazaks (a karlanri tribe like afridis and khattaks) were first Pashtuns to colonize KPK during mahmud ghazavi times but they got decimated by other Afghan/Pashtun tribes from west.
1- The yousafzais and ghoria khel tribes of upper KPK and peshawer valley migrated from present day Afghanistan in early 16th century, i.e about 500 years ago.
2- Khattaks migrated from shawal valley of waziristan to their present day abode in Karak (KPK) in 14th century i.e about 700 years ago.
3- Lohani tribes of DI Khan and Lakki migrated from present day Afghanistan in late 16th century i.e about 400 years ago.