fyi - relationships for life

getting pass the word clergy or spirtual mentors (and replacing that with role models, from contemporary and historical times related to our community, )
we can also change the factors of post war and american cultural development thru history with the immigrant families’ dynamics.

also getting pass the elaborate talk on getting physical, this article makes some good arguments for making the best of any relationship, such as honest communication, empathy and sensitivity to feelings sounds rational but is it taken as such?

any thoughts on whether people can relate to what is being said here and how they will read it in an understanding way?

dushwari

For many of us, developing and maintaining a satisfying, long-term relationship with a “significant other” is one of the greatest challenges we face in life. However we define commitment, many of us long for the sense of intimacy, shared responsibility and fulfillment that comes from knowing we have a life-long, loving partner. Yet most of us, at some stage of our lives, will be disillusioned with the quality of our relationships. This is true whether we are still searching for the one “right” partner, find ourselves separated or divorced, or are years into a reasonably happy marriage. Often, this dissatisfaction with our partner leads to permanent separation, potentially with devastating affects, especially if children are involved. If so many of us want stable, satisfying relationships, why are they so hard to develop and maintain?

We explore some of the reasons why and suggest some basic principles of successful relationships you and your partner may wish to consider adopting. We also offer a list of resources for outside help if your relationship challenges have become greater than you can resolve on your own.

Modern-day dilemmas
Some relationship challenges are linked to recent changes in cultural norms. For example, our culture reinforces unrealistic expectations that relationships should always “feel good”, so that when inevitable difficult periods occur, couples may not believe that conflict in relationships is normal and needs to be worked out. Combined with increasing social acceptance of separation and divorce, people may be choosing to end their relationship in search of something that “feels better,” only to find that the same issues follow them to their next relationship.

Other modern developments have increased certain types of external stressors for couples. For example, in the last 40 years in America, changing male and female roles within a marriage have offered some freedom of choice to both partners, but can create tension between competing priorities at certain stages of life. We need to negotiate responsibilities within the partnership for everything from day-to-day chores to child care to financial planning. Each of these decisions offers an opportunity for you and your partner to bond, or can breed resentments which build up over time if unresolved.

Also contributing to stress in relationships is the post-war phenomenon (in our case, immigrant families) of living far from one’s family of origin, where you may have less financial and emotional support and relatively loose ties to the community. You may feel further isolated if your extended families have trouble accepting your relationship, as may happen in the case of gay and lesbian or interfaith unions. Increasingly common, intercultural relationships leave couples with additional challenges of unmatched cultural norms and expectations.

Technological developments may also contribute to a couple’s distress in a society which increasingly devalues patience and cooperation, leaving us confused about what to reasonably expect from a long-term partner. As yet unknown are the cumulative effects on relationship skills of such modern developments as e-mail (supplanting voice-contact with another human being), text-messaging (creating the expectation of instant response), and cyber-communities in which people adopt alter-egos to interact with each other in pseudo-relationships they can abandon with the click of a button as soon as an uncomfortable feeling arises.

Other relationship challenges are age-old
Financial difficulties, as well as differences in attitudes towards money, have long been a marital stressor across socio-economic levels. Money problems raise practical dilemmas, as well as strong emotions like fear for survival, anger about failed expectations, and shame about loss of status. Other external stressors such as job loss, illness and death in the family may leave a couple in an acute crisis from which they eventually reach a new, stronger status quo, but also may derail a relationship. Such crises can test the couple for the same reasons they test the individual: they challenge us to cope with severe practical challenges at a time when we are feeling most vulnerable.
Besides external factors, sometimes personal factors threaten a relationship, such as an individual’s limited capacity for intimacy. Avoidance of growth in oneself and in the relationship may be subtle, such as an individual whose unconscious desire to avoid his or her spouse results in long hours at the office; or it may be more obvious, such as when alcohol or drug abuse makes it impossible to engage in the emotional give-and-take of a mature relationship. In these situations, the other partner may start to feel abandoned or that he or she is “outgrowing” the relationship, and without an intervention that offers an opportunity for reconciliation, the relationship may continue to deteriorate.

Can we predict if a partner will be compatible over a lifetime?
There are many articles in the popular press with common-sense advice about how to determine if you and your loved-one are compatible. They aim to reveal whether you share basic values and spiritual beliefs, as well as expectations about such fundamentals as: Where will we live? Do we want children, and if so, who will care for them? How will we manage our finances? Do we have similar expectations of our sexual relationship? Sometimes overlooked is the importance of sharing a interest, so that during times of stress you can come together around an activity or lifestyle you both find enjoyable. Although your answers to any of these questions may reasonably change over time, it makes sense to wait to make a commitment until you feel confident of your own and your partner’s desires in at least some of these core areas.

Even assuming a basic level of compatibility, though, many couples report that maintaining a satisfying relationship is their hardest job in life! This is because we choose partners not only for their compatibility as defined above, but also because they fulfill unconscious emotional needs at the time–to be needed or to be taken care of, to escape loneliness, or to establish status in the community, to name a few. A relationship may feel right to both partners because of the complementarity of their emotional needs at the time. But healthy human beings continue to mature throughout life, and their emotional needs–conscious and unconscious–change as well. When our emotional development is not in tune with our partner’s, which is inevitable at some point during a life-long relationship, the result can be conflict, feelings of anger or sadness, feelings of betrayal, and other stressful emotions for one or both parties. A satisfying life-long relationship needs to accommodate these stressful periods for both partners and indeed is one of our greatest challenges as human beings.

Principles of long-term stability and satisfaction in relationships
Given the diversity of faiths, values, and cultural norms in our society, it is no easy task to develop a list of universal principles that apply to all long-term relationships. Indeed, the principles developed below are culture-bound, as they reflect a particular set of values and norms. First and foremost, they reflect the assumption that there is no proper place for physical, sexual or emotional abuse of any kind in human relationships. They also reflect a deep respect for the dignity of each individual, regardless of race, gender, level of education, and other aspects of our identities which can result in power differentials within a relationship. Finally, these principles confer on both partners mutual, responsibility for trying to make a relationship work. While these principles would be most effective if practiced by both partners, they can sometimes improve a relationship even if initially followed by only one partner.

Communication — Couples often rate open communication as an important way to prevent underlying resentments from building into crises. Sometimes, one partner must learn a basic life-skill, like feeling entitled to ask for what he or she wants. Other times, the challenge is to express anger in an acceptable way, which may involve learning first to recognize that one is angry or, conversely, learning to calm down before attempting to have a conversation. The basic rules of thumb when discussing hot topics are to keep accusations and insults (”You’re lazy”) to a minimum; make as many “I” statements as possible (”I feel like I do more than my share of the housework”); ask questions (”Do you think the way we split up responsibilities is fair?”); and listen to the other person’s point of view, even if you disagree (”I hear you saying that since you work late sometimes, you shouldn’t have to do laundry…do I have that right?”).

Empathy — Understanding one another’s point of view, not only intellectually, but on a “feelings” level, is central to building an intimate relationship. Unless you and your partner can empathize with each other’s feelings much of the time, it will be very difficult to build a bridge of mutual respect, trust, and support. One key challenge to true empathy arises when our partners’ emotions feel threatening to us, causing us or deny their validity as a way of protecting ourselves. In this case, getting whatever support you each need to resolve the fear or grief you trigger in each other can in turn relieve pressure on the relationship.

Acceptance — This principle is equally important to adopt toward oneself as it is towards one’s partner. Acknowledging that no human being can fulfill all of our needs all of the time helps us to tolerate the least perfect stages of our relationship, when we are just becoming aware of and learning to navigate our core differences. An accepting posture acknowledges that each individual in a relationship, as well as the relationship itself, is a “work in progress”. Allowing and respecting the differences we discover without feeling overly threatened by them is part of the process of building trust and stability with a partner over a long period of time, and can help provide an environment in which both individuals can mature at their own pace, without needing to grow permanently apart.

Kindness — With intimacy can come knowing our partner’s core vulnerabilities, and revealing our own, to our partners and ourselves. Perhaps the ultimate kindness is choosing, as often as we can, not to take advantage of that knowledge to hurt our partner, and giving credit to our partner when he or she makes that same choice for us. One motivation to stay committed through the low points in a relationship is that, over many years, these accumulated kindnesses breed mutual trust, gratitude and forgiveness.

What to do if your relationship is in trouble
Talk-As difficult as it might be to speak frankly with your partner about the hot points in your relationship, opening the lines of communication is essential to breaking through an impasse. If resentments have built up over a long time, you both may be feeling deeply hurt or angry, so these early conversations may not be easy. If communication has been lacking in the relationship, the goal of early talks may be to make your point of view understood, and to understand that of your partner, before trying to either forgive each other or reach a solution which works for both of you. Setting ground rules, such as prohibitions on abusive language or threats, may be a way of making early conversations emotionally safe for both parties.

Listen — Sometime when we are very hurt or angry, it is hard to listen fully to another person’s point of view. We may not feel our partner has the right to his or her own “grievances” because we feel so aggrieved ourselves. Or we may misinterpret what our partner is saying or doing because of our own biases or frame of mind. Making a safe space for your partner to tell you what he or she is hurt or angry about is equally important to being honest about your own point of view. If your only goal is to express your anger or make your partner “pay” for past hurts, try to vent some of that energy elsewhere so that you are better able to sit down to a truly two-way conversation.
Be open to change — Often, the underlying source of conflict is not one person’s “wrong” behavior, but a mismatch between two partners’ needs or expectations. Sometimes the “change” needed in oneself might be as subtle as noticing and learning to love what one’s partner has to give rather than dwelling on what he or she does not. If each partner is willing to examine his or own contribution to a conflict and tries to compromise, many conflicts can be resolved.

Make time for each other — Intimate relationships require a certain amount of nurturance, all the more if you are experiencing a rough patch. Try to make a time commitment to each other that cannot be interrupted by work, children or other distractions. Some couples carve out such “relationship time” every day, whether it is at a meal or after the kids have gone to sleep. Others plan a weekly or “date night.” Even just 15 minutes lying awake together every night before falling asleep might be enough. There is no formula for the “right” frequency or length of this time together, but ideally it should be time for relating to each other rather than, for example, watching the same television show in the same room at the same time.

Focus on the physical — Physical estrangement can be a sign of emotional estrangement. Sometimes one partner unconsciously withholds sex out of anger, or is afraid to tell the partner that their sexual relationship is unsatisfactory. At the same time, frequent sex can mask a lack of emotional intimacy that both partners are loath to discuss. Try to come to a mutual decision about whether making changes (either temporary or permanent) to your physical relationship might better serve you both emotionally.

Ask someone you trust for help — Sometimes input from people who care about us and who have a fresh perspective can help relieve the pressure, calm us down, and offer sound advice. If you have friends or family members whose relationship skills you admire, talk to them, either individually (while respecting your partner’s confidentiality) or as a couple. You may be surprised, and relieved, to find that a couple you respect has dealt with, and survived, similar issues to your own. Clergy or other spiritual mentors (role models) may also provide useful guidance and recommendations of books or films which can help.

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Does anyone wanna summarize? I’d be happy to give my opinion, but its tooo long :bummer:

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A lot of it can be attributed to expectations a lo9t of the time on the part of the women. I notice women tend to ask for divorce more. Now is it as simple as saying the law is in place so women will vent their anger...doubt it...

Women back in the day had their role and their place and as a majority accepted their role. The husband also had little expectancy of him other than to be the breadwinner and now the world is expected of him. I notice the main reasons for divorce tend to be money and infidelity. Whilst im not denying the fact that men can make terrible husbands quite often it is a result of a stressful household that certain infidelities for instance can occur. Sometimes a woman can just be a ***** and drive her man away with her petty demands and expectations.

Back in the day women wouldnt be such a torment. Additional choices means additional hassle. I remember visiting a village in Sri Lanka and women were quite happy to be the wife and dote on their husband. The husband would reciprocate this affection. Go to the city and all i saw is what i see where i live. Arguments, infidelities etc...

You think emancipation is good for you then great but realise that is to blame for the increase in divorce cos with it the expectation and benchmarks to please have increased.

It is a lot harder to be a good husband today than it ever used to be.

Im not going to suggest men dont have expectations but they havent changed as dramatically as women have.

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sabriya,
i know that the article is long, but it hopefully covers many aspects of the sensitive nature of the relationships and how to understand their falling apart and coming together in a better way.

basically, it talks about what factors make a relationship go bad.
and what are the ways through which it can be saved.
obviously, a considerable degree of alertness, and sensitivity must be present in both sides - female and male to mend a relationship.

but, i agree, it is an altogether diff matter, who learns from it and who ignores the message. in such a case, people make mistakes and then realize a long time later when there is nothing much left to come back to to save a relationship. no matter how much they are cautioned they unfortunately may not realize that things can be turned back to normal and positive must be recollected even to get even about the negative.

hiding, or running away through non communication and emotional estrangement or insensitivity are may be the 'makes sense now', but 'ineffective and self-failing' approaches towards not saving the relationship, if that is and was the intention of anybody.
trying hard to honestly pull together a relationship, is not one side's might's worth of load. it takes two after a while.
and that is why the non committed always shy away from commitment, especially when the expectation is to get a perfect than perfect made to order partner to serve and please and not to be there for, since that involves personal sacrifice and standing up for the sake of the current or future spouse.

second chance wont happen, if it's not aligned with the efforts of the committed side.
despair and confusion, anger and betrayal can always lead to a disaster.
guilt and weaknesses also can run the life on rake.

hope is people as young adults and older adults in marriages will always be there for their spouses, through thick and through thin, accepting each other's good and bad to make life better together.
lucky are those who are flexible and timing is on their side, only by virtue of their clear committed intentions. in there, even forgiveness, may be doable.

dushwari

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nbn,

wherever any one, female or male, shirks their responsibility or makes excuses for their own ineptness, they are the responsible ones and they know it, too.

but, denouncing women as people with lives and selves independent of the servitude as a 'glue' for the family, that takes on all of the family's loads, is plain abandonment of one's own obligations on the part of men, and is not only selfish but also really unbecoming of the character of males and unethical for anyone to sabotage the relationship between two spouses so that they can handle the ups and downs of their external pressures in life and effectively manage to hold on to each other with clear conscientious feelings for each other to take on whatever the world living has to throw at them.

men can not feel absolved of all that they expect of women. this is immoral and not man-like on their part, if they pride themselves on being the protecting provider, it is not mere clothing, shelter and food on table. it goes beyond that, much beyond that.

if expectations is the rule of the game in obtaining and hoping to keep someone in a relationship, then it better be two way expectations.

‘now’ in the day, women may still be kind to their significant other - spouses, if men were able to deliver a sense of committed ness and respect and honesty and reciprocate the trust placed in them by women whose men these men are through the bond of sacred institution of marriage.

many a women are capable of taking on the outside as well as the inside work on their shoulders, with a good balance. it is true and there is nothing wrong with it (as long as one parent or both parents give the sacrifice of not neglecting the off spring by taking the time to nurture their child), which is why women's role as an individual and as a member of a family unit has changed and rightly so.

so yes, expectations are duly higher for men as spouses, because simply some men no longer have what it takes to be good providers - not necessarily financially, but as emotionally and intellectually sensitive partners, whose second nature ideally in committed trust worthy relationship of marriage, should never be questionable, but sadly it obviously is.

Dushwari

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Remember that men and women were happy without all the choices that they have today...

Women were happy to make their primary role the home and men were happy to the provider...gender roles were specific and it worked...both genders were happy...

Men fail now simply because what they were before isnt enough anymore...their ineptness was fine before...the nature of modern society is we are never happy with whatever we have and we are never satisfied...

Do you honestly think relations are better now than they were before?...

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^
nbn,
true, that satisfaction does not come by, if men have dangling minds and hearts and call out for stability to induce into their beings.
no one has to lug along the 'before', simply to bask in the glory of long lost undue privileges, in divisions of labor – if you are good enough to make a baby with a woman, you better be at least good enough to change the baby’s diapers, if you wish for a boy, you must be able to welcome a girl child and if there are bad men in the society, and women are fighting their viciousness, if you are a good man, you will and you better be able to protect their cause because one day you will have your better half and daughter/s and then you will realize, that it is not at all pleasant to entertain these falsely pillaged weaknesses that are attributed to women kind.
no one expects men to breast feed as they are not equipped to do so, nor are women expected to jack on all the tires of their cars, but there is an honest spirit of two way open communication that must be acknowledged and reciprocated.
apparently someone is not willing to come out of the shadows of their own insecurities and face themselves for one, and then embrace a stronger life partner, because it defies the set in stone, misery of interferences and doubts wrenched down the minds of the males, since they have to remain bread winning breed of creatures as ever and since they cannot assume that every aspect of their lives, and likes has to be unquestionably accepted by their female counter parts.
give and take has ethics too, you know.
and really, if a couple is truly loving and caring, they better be able to take care of each other, in all the ways that they ever can - to revive their strong commitment to each other.

one must feel totally passionate in a companionate relation and the stamp of noble marriage contract is the proof of that.

entering into a marriage must be a consented and looked-forward-to event on part of the both man and the woman. they must develop a true second nature. it does not happen in only two or three actual meetings.

yes, acquiring formal education and contributions to the economics of the world living today demands nothing extra from either men or women, except that they take along each other as honest and committed partners in a marital contract and fulfill their roles as content and free of doubts or fears about their own setbacks to off set their detections of presumed flaws in each other.

women over look a lot in men - that is different now, and had to be so since obviously women have been oppressed long enough that now they have no other choice but to raise the bar so high that many men wont be able to reach it.

it takes both the woman and the man to come together as adult responsible women, to make a marriage work, as a working couple, and as a team.
if a man cannot take a stand for the woman, or a woman cannot take a stand for the man, in something that actually could have made a good difference in each one of their lives, and especially, if men are jealous and un understanding of women, then nothing in this world can repair the broken trust, ever and people are better off not marrying such people and live single lives, because
truly disappointing, it's not even in some mens' control to honestly apologize for, let alone acknowledge the hurt that they cause knowingly.
as for roles or no roles, as even human beings, women and men wont be able to see eye to eye, as there is too much 'me first ness', and abhor able fearfulness and half hearted zeal to ever be committed to any one, parasitic and insensitive habits in the works which obviously will lead to bad relationships.
Dushwari

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any thoughts on in the house and out of the house, distribution of labor?

what does honest regard for each other do, when it comes to making adjustments and proving that the side ( mostly women), that is sacrificing is not going to be taken for granted and the husband will assist in de-stressing by being a positive support and not be insensitive to a woman rightful needs to be comforted?