Re: Fuzool ka Feminism
^eh? I don't get the point your sarcasm is trying to make there.
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I dont believe feminism is fuzool ka, anywhere. Every creature has some rights and they should be heard. It is rather fuzool labeling it as feminism and other isms.
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it is fun to ogle liberated feminists.
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Pseudo feminism is dangerous and hugely irritating, and sadly that particular concept is rife in desi society.
One of the examples would be a complete stay at home housewife who is entirely dependent on her husband, emotionally, financially and practically going all militant over the idea of taking his surname because that somehow means she belongs to him, she'd lost her identity bla bla bla.
Who are they trying to fool in the name of 'feminism'?
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Fair enough.
The thing is that anything which deviates from Islam and/or culture is labeled feminist on here. You don't like polygamy, you are a feminist. You want to have your own place after marriage, you are a feminist (and yet, many guys who say this must have been ones who enjoyed time away from home in college and valued the independence they had). At the same time, I do agree with you that women many a time want to have their cake and eat it too, often quoting religion when it suits them and discarding when it doesn't.
About the independence thing, I think past a certain age, a guy or a girl can get a job and move out if they want. After marriage, if the girl would have no issue living with her family and the problem is only with moving in with the guy's family, then that's irrational because the problem in that case is no longer about independence but "I don't want to put in the work to fit in with my in-laws". And I imagine that this isn't even an issue for girls in Pakistan, it's solely a Western thing.
Again, I fully agree that a if someone, man or woman, wants to get a job and move out on their own then power to them.
I like a lot of the stuff you've said. Here are some responses:
1) Lesbian couple thing sounds interesting. Maybe there are laws that are lacking in that department.
2) The guy getting arrested for damaging her hand (how could her hand be damaged for hitting human flesh?) is stupid. It is one stupid example and says nothing about feminism.
As for the hand on the flesh, I agree with you, how could it get hurt? And yet, she sued and won. And it does speak to the influence of feminism because feminists pushed for the Violence Against Women Act which is out of control. Women in the West think they can get away with saying and doing anything because if a guy so much as touches her, she owns his ass.
3) Why would a woman's boyfriend have to pay child support if he hasn't married her or adopted the child? Makes no sense.
I could be wrong (can't see my original post) but I think the issue was that if a woman lied to her boyfriend/husband about the child being his (i.e. she cheated on him) and his name went on the birth certificate, then he claims the child and even if the DNA test proves he's not the father, legally, he's required to provide for her and the child. It's a legal nightmare for him to be absolved or responsibility. This also gets to the issue of why there is such a stigma against women sleeping around, it simply causes more damage for the woman and her family and the man can get stuck raising a child that's not his.
4) If women ARE favoured when it comes to custody, well, there might be unfairness there. This should be done on a case by case basis.
They are and there was a thread a few months ago about a love child between a Canadian woman and Pakistani man and the woman wanted to take the child back to Canada. Everyone here was fully in support of the court's decision to allow the woman to take the child away from his father. Quite the double standard. The reason cited was that the mother-child bond is special. I agree, but if you bring that bond up as the reason why the mother should stay home with the kids, feminists go ape**** and say that the father has just as much responsibility. Again, twisting the mother-child bond as it suits them.
5) Child support = Necessary. Alimony = stupid.
I agree with child support.
6) You know, there are masculinist movements now. Wikipedia it. It makes sense that these movements affect men a lot too. Men need to stand up to the social oppression caused by gender roles... the boundaries of which ARE diluting, thanks to feminists.
I've heard about that, but not I'm not sure how many men will join it. Guys are raised to just deal with it.
7) Salary is an interesting issue. I am glad you bring up that positions differ and I will add that a lot of women, being moms, only work part time or have other factors that affect them. One of them being taking time off to have kids so their career slows down. The point here isn't that just because women are making less money, they are oppressed. We need to recognize that the biological roles are very different when it comes to parenthood, which negatively affects women in their careers. We could opt for changes in the work place that allow more flex time etc for working moms. This could be called systematic oppression on one hand and just inefficient scheduling on the other.
For about 80% of careers I would agree with you, flex time and maternity leave are helpful. But if you are working at a top tier investment bank, or on a high profile legal case, then you're expected to put in serious hours and it's just a sad reality that women are disadvantaged when it comes to careers like that. And there is also resentment from women and men without children who have to pick up the slack for women on mat leave. It's just a biological fact that women have to take time off to have kids. Flex time and mat leave help and but there are some demanding careers which are just hard to work around.
At this point in time, in at least North America, we need to concentrate more on treating PEOPLE right, be it men, women, transgendered, children, gays, aboriginals, minorities, what have you.
I agree, people should be treated equally but for women, that's been achieved for the most part. In some areas there may be more work needed but it's not like apartheid which some feminists make it out to be.
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^ you sir are a sexist and a chauvinist 
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Well you know, I do what I do when I do what I do…
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Interesting you brought this up, I recalled a thread posted a few weeks back about men forced to pay for child support even if it wasn’t his kid…
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/life-and-relationships/489563-reason-for-the-double-standard.html
Re: Fuzool ka Feminism
Here is very common fuzool ki feminism. And this fuzool ki feminism (talk) can happen in many situations
At First: Aaap kia samjhtey hain, main yee nahi ker saktee? aaj ki aurat sub ker saktee hai
After 20 min: Suneen zara help ker deen
situation can be any like changing flat tire, moving heavy furniture, moving soil bags for gardening etc etc
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