From Meluhha To Pakistan: The Embodiment Of A Civilization

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How did you come up with this gem when Buddhists don’t believe in an Omnipotent god? God in Buddhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The same Wikipedia that you quote also states that, “The concepts of Adi-Buddha and Dharmakaya are the closest to monotheism any form of Buddhism comes.”

Polytheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Buddhism is not polytheistic as Nagarjuna the Indian Buddhist philosopher of the 2nd century CE expressed a commonly shared Buddhist view about the gods (in plural) when he wrote:

The gods are all eternal scoundrels
Incapable of dissolving the suffering of impermanence.
Those who serve them and venerate them
May even in this world sink into a sea of sorrow.
We know the gods are false and have no concrete being;
Therefore the wise man believes them not
The fate of the world depends on causes and conditions
Therefore the wise man many not rely on gods.

[Lamotte trans. I, p.141]

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What I still do not understand is that why would the Indians continue to believe the Indus Valley Civilization was Indian Civilization when the core of this civilization is in Pakistan and a large majority of Pakistanis are the same people.

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Because they are not so easily divided. You're still an Indian, a bharati the government of India today is the worst enemy India has ever had. So end of the rubbish. :P

Vedic culture is much older, 1500bc claims some aryan invasion thing. I'll just not even get into scientific evidence against that but simple common sense; since half of pakistan lives in Punjab, I'll assume you're Punjabi.

If the other myth about Bharat that of an extended Muslim(arab,turk,persian aka foreign) empire has been disproven how would these nomads displace us?

It took ghazni 17 raids to gain a fraction of a foothold against mere levies, which means pind vale bunde with w.e they had on them vs the best trained armies in the world at the time.

It took arabs 70 years to grab city of Makaran for barely a year when they conquered half the world in 8. There were multiple periods where no foreigners dared to invade due to the kabul and punjabi princes being sher. Many poets who wrote in Arabic who still have preserved manuscripts lamented how their empires went to drown in the Sindh and Ganges.

So, again how would would koray riding goray who were illiterate step to us?

17 or 18 times is no joke. Think about trying something that many times, and still being half-successful at the point you're a tryhard. \

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The whole IVC vs Vedic thing is a propaganda attempt. Main reason as Vedas are more associated with Sarasvati which runs a bit south aka 'India' and we know where Sindhu is.

Dr. Satinder Singh Noor and many tamil and telugu scholars as well agree that Punjabi is the world's oldest language. Sanskrit and all the made up caste garbage come after.

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Simple fact is, these are our ancestors, accept them, love them, worship them if that's your way; but most of all, don't ever let their lands fall into foreign hands.

IVC is a Pakistani civilization truth is IVC and Vedic are both pretty much Punjabi civilizations vedic tongue is closer to Punjabi than to sanskrit and I'm even surprised at how similar it sounds. It sounds like garbled Punjabi.
So let's not get divided by two-nation trash, it's called India after the Indus.

Any Pakistani that doesn't recognize it as a Punjabi nation is lying to themself, others will tell you; someone was showing me how 49 out of 53 cm and sect. are from punjab and all this other stuff. However, I feel I've said too much on the forum today, and I have to run. I'm not from 'Pakistan' and if I was from Lehnda Punjab I would call myself that first anyway.

:)

VJKVJF

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Was there ever an India?

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Beyond the Indus there were always different governments, very few periods (and for short periods) of one government. I'll go as far as there was no single country until the British.

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@gsingh1984](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/gsingh1984.html),

The fact is that the words “Hindu” and “India” have a foreign origin. The word “Hindu” is neither a Sanskrit word nor is this word found in any of the native dialects and languages of India. It should be noted that “Hindu” is not a religious word at all. There is no reference of the word “Hindu” in the ancient Vedic Scriptures.

It is said that the Persians used to refer to the Indus river as Sindhu. However, the Persians could not pronounce the letter “S” correctly in their native tongue and mispronounced it as “H.” Thus, for the ancient Persians, the word “Sindhu” became “Hindu.” However, it actually meant the River Sindh and did not refer to present day Hindus in any capacity.

The ancient Persian Cuneiform inscriptions and the Zend Avesta refer to the word “Hindu” as a geographic name rather than a religious name. When the Persian King Darious 1 extended his empire up to the borders of the Indian subcontinent in 517 BC, some people of the Indian subcontinent became part of his empire and army. Thus for a very long time the ancient Persians referred to these people as “Hindus”. The ancient Greeks and Armenians followed the same pronunciation, and thus, gradually the name stuck.

The word “India” also has a similar foreign origin. Even the word Bharat is merely described in Vedic Mythology and as a matter of fact in the epic Mahabharat, which is one of the two “Itihasa”, where one finds reference of the word “Bharat”. As per legend, the land ruled by the great King “Bharata” was called Bharat. In actuality, there was no King named Bharat and Mahabharata is a story.

The ancient Greeks used to mispronounce the river Sindhu as Indos. When Alexander invaded India, the Macedonian army referred to the river as Indus and the land east of the river as India. The Greek writers who wrote about Alexander preferred to use the same name.

For the Arabs the land became Al-Hind. The Muslim rulers and travelers who came to India during the medieval period referred the Indian subcontinent as “Hindustan” and the people who lived there as Hindus.

So you see, you guys never even named yourselves as either Indians or Hindus. And even the Greeks called those people living east of River Indus as Indians. In the contemporary history, when Muslims captured areas in sub-continent, they named it as Hindustan and the Westerners called it India. The British took over from Muslims and when they left British India in 1947, Pakistan and India were given an independent status.

Before British India, it was Muslim India and before that there was no India. Even on the eve of independence in 1947, there were around 580 states within British India. The Republic of India was created in August 1947 as was Pakistan.

However, the areas which covered Pakistan, Meluhhas (people and area of Indus Valley Civilization) existed almost on the same map spread and the core of it was Pakistan in its current form. The people of Pakistan are the same people who occupied this land since over 9000 years ago. Therefore Pakistan existed under a different name since thousands of years ago, whereas India only came in to existence in August 1947.

The sooner people of India understand this fact, the better it is. There is no point in stealing some one else’s identity because India does not have an identity before the Muslims arrived in sub-continent.

By the way – who actually are you guys. Do you know that. What is your identity. :mrgreen: