Mr Armughal,
Insha_Ji's point that in this world more people consider Jesus to be their saviour than our Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him). He is not talking about Sunnis, Shias, catholics, protestants etc. he is talking about the number of people considering Jesus as their saviour and they are more than total number of muslims combined.
Does that make them right or on the true path? Not it didn't!
Mr. Ouija Just wanted to remind you about the ALLEGATION I had about Mirza Sahib cursing!!!
Ok! ** FATEH AHMAD JEE **So lets see, first you say that this is a Dream, from the Dream Book, saying 80 with the Addition or deletion of 5 years. Where as I have stated…
*Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239)
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Which is not from the Dream Book. So thats a contradiction in its self.
Ok now I woud like for you to read the Following interesting findings…
lets examine when was Mirza Sahib born? According to Fateh Sahib (which the website alislam.org supports) it was 1835. Examine the following passage from the Lahori Jamaat…
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In the first edition of this book, 1839 was given as the date, and this is also the date given by the founder himself in the short autobiography which he wrote in 1897 and which appeared in his book Al-Kitab al-Bariyya. This was, however, a guess, as there is no written record of the exact date of his birth. Further on in this same autobiography, he states that he passed nearly forty years of his life with his father, whose death took place in 1876. On this basis, 1837 or 1836 would appear to be a more probable date. His son, Mirza Bashir Ahmad, has produced strong arguments in favour of 1836 as the year of his father’s birth.
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So according to his own autobiography he was born in 1839.
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The Mirza was born during the last phase of the Sikh rule in the year 1839 or 1840 at Qadian in Gurdaspur District. His own writings show that at the time of the struggle of Independence in 1857, he was sixteen or seventeen years old." (Kitab al-Bariyah, p. 146, n. Mirza Bashjruddin Mahmood in his Address to the British Crown Prince in 1922, has mentioned the year of his birth to be 1837 (p. 35). According to this, in 1857, his age would be 21
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*His son, Basheeruddin, does not agree! In “Seeratul Mahdi”, he records his fathers year of birth as:
a. 1836 or 1837 ( Vol. II p.150),
b. 1833 or 1834 (Vol. 3 p. 194),
c. 1835 (vol. 3 p. 76),
d. 1831 (Vol. 3 p.74),
e. 1832 (Vol. 3 p. 302).
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So who do we trust…??? Mirza Sahib him self…??? His son…??? Or the Ahmadi website.
Well how about we take an un-biased source…
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*a modern Islamic sect and the generic name for various S ufi (Muslim mystic) orders. The sect was founded in Qadian, the Punjab, India, in 1889 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (c. 1839-1908), who claimed to be the mahdi (a figure expected by some Muslims at the end of the world), the Christian Messiah, an incarnation of the Hindu god Krishna, and a reappearance (buruz) of Muhammad. The sect’s doctrine, in some aspects, is unorthodox: …
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This above passage is taken from Encyclopedia Britannica it could be found at
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=4193&tocid=0&query=qadiani&ct=
So, this is an organization that is not Muslim, Sunni,Wahabi, hindu etc. This is what they do, report the facts as they happen.
Now as far as him being more than 80 years old according to arabic calendar, since the Wahi was in Arabic. WAAh WAAAh Destino Sahib! Subhanullah…So according to this the Party of Islam should be all english speaking (GORAYS), since the Wahi was in English right? So rest of the Wahis are goin to be accordingly, since he had inspirations in many languages!!!
The fact of the matter is, He in his Books up to my readings, has never quoted a single date in Hijri calendar. Even the website alislam.org accounts for the date of his Birth in Gregorian Calender. His Tomb stone has the date written in Gregorian Calendar not in Hijri. If you wish to look at some of the dates Mirza Sahib has quoted, I can provide you a few examples from Roohani Khazain in Gregorian Calendar.
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P.S. The most interesting fact is, this took place about 150 years ago and he took a decade to be born. The Prophet’s birth Date does’nt even vary that much (570 A.D. or 571 A.D.), who was born about 1400 years ago. I wonder why this un-certainty…???
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Shaikh Raheal Ahmad
Ander Dingskaul 1
50189 Cledorf Berrendorf
Germany
T. No. ........
Respected Mr. Mirza Masroor Ahmad Saheb
Khalifatul Maseeh Al-Khamis
Jamaat Ahmadiyya
Assalamo alaikum
I was a born Ahmadi and is in Germany for the last 17 years. After a long time serving and obeying the Jamaat, and moreover after studying, observing, a lot of contemplating, I have reached this conclusion that I should break off from Jamaat Ahmadiyya. In my opinion Jamaat Ahmadiyya is not an Islamic sect, rather it has become a money collecting organisation in the name of religion; in which if one draws office bearers' attention to a wrong thing or advice the Jamaat to stay away from politics, then a boozer will made to reign over him, a lady who, had made pledge for votes to become the president of Lajna, will be made to govern over his wife and daughters; and against him such a person is appointed as Secretary Finance or Zaeem Ansarullah who is constantly engaged in making false propaganda everywhere, and upon complaining such persons are given protection by the scheming Regional Ameer and Murabbi, and on every small thing threatened with expulsions from Jamaat. It is for such reasons and also because my daughter was made a victim of brutality, and the tyrrant was given protection in the Center of Jamaat; some other such things have come into my knowledge that I thought fit to part my way from the Jamaat, and break my relation with this system of exploitation in the name of religion and come into the fold of true service of Holy Prophet Muhamade Arabi SallAllaho alaihe wassalam. Therefore today, 23rd August 2003, I announce my seperation from the Jamaat. AlHamdolillah. May Allah give me steadfastness. Ameen.
Sig: Shaikh Raheal Ahmad
Copy for information to:
Mr Abdullah Wagushauser
National Ameer Jamaat Germany
Copy for information to:
Syed Basharat Ahmad Shah
Regional Ameer, Bait-un-Nasr, Colonge
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Another Central Leader Mirza Abu Bakr became Bahai
London (Special Reporter): Mirza AbuBakr, a leader of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of US and Qadiani IT expert and webmaster, have left Qadianiyat/Ahmadiyyat and denounced Qadiani religion and its responsibilites. He has left Ahmadiyyat and embraced Bahai religion. In the last one month, this is the second big leader of Jamaat Ahmadiyya who has left the Jamaat. Most informed sources have revealed after Shaikh Raheal Ahmad's departure from the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Germany and reverting to Islam.
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*Originally posted by Perplexing: *
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Another Central Leader Mirza Abu Bakr became Bahai
London (Special Reporter): Mirza AbuBakr, a leader of Jamaat Ahmadiyya of US and Qadiani IT expert and webmaster, have left Qadianiyat/Ahmadiyyat and denounced Qadiani religion and its responsibilites. He has left Ahmadiyyat and embraced Bahai religion. In the last one month, this is the second big leader of Jamaat Ahmadiyya who has left the Jamaat. Most informed sources have revealed after Shaikh Raheal Ahmad's departure from the Jamaat Ahmadiyya Germany and reverting to Islam.
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it may not matter to both qadiani or bhais as both groups are agaist islma........it is just an interdeprtmental transfer by yahoodis........
LOL :rotfl", you talk like as u KNOW everything going on in the world!!! 
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If a fish is hunted in See, yes ONLY Qadianis could be behinde this
Preplexing Only 9 left Ahmadiyyat, but what about those who enterd in Ahmadiyyat? 30000 Ahmadi Muslims were on the Jalsa in Germany. worry about 9 or happy about 30000 and coming in Ahmadiyyat from MULLAHISM!!!
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*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *
Preplexing Only 9 left Ahmadiyyat, but what about those who enterd in Ahmadiyyat? 30000 Ahmadi Muslims were on the Jalsa in Germany. worry about 9 or happy about 30000 and coming in Ahmadiyyat from MULLAHISM!!!
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30000 ahmadi's, YES
30000 converts, NO
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*Originally posted by rally: *
30000 ahmadi's, YES
30000 converts, NO
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I myself know about 5 converted in one month(monthly bulletin of Jamaat), and I am sure there are more than 9 converted in one year in Germany :).
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*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *
I myself know about 5 converted in one month(monthly bulletin of Jamaat), and I am sure there are more than 9 converted in one year in Germany :).
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Do you know the 5 personally who converted or just what your 'bulletin of jamaat' told you...
is this important to knwo them personaly :), but I know u wont believe it, then who cares .
What do you think about the number of converts to Ahmadiyyat? Do you think Mirza Tahir had been lying about the yearly increase in number of Ahmadi converts? OR Were the figures of new converts announced in the Jalsa Salanas since 1993 correct?
Again to remind you, following are the numbers of NEW Ahmadi converts announced by Mirza Tahir in ten years since 1993 in official Jamaat publication:
1993 243,008
1994 421,753
1995 847.753
1996 1,602,721
1997 3,004,585
1998 5,004,591
1999 10,820,226
2000 41,308,975
2001 80,106,721 (Figures given at Germany Jalsa in August 2001)
2002 20,654,000
Total in 10 years::160,875,605
(AlFazl International p.4 vol.9, No. 33, dated 16-22 August 2002)
Pasting a letter of a LIAR, who is lieing the whole time like other anti ahmadi Mullahs.
I even asnwerd Rashid Sahib on his many objections, but he couldnt see the Truth, as he brain is full with HATE against Ahmadiyyat and Hz Masih Maood :as:.
Perplexing Sahib tell me onething, when ppl reject Ahmadiyyat what do u think will they believe in these numbers?
Dated 19th September 2003
Gold Medalist Poet of Jamaat Ahmadiyya, Muzaffar Ahmad has denounced Qadianiyat
**London (Special Reporter) Gold Medalist poet of Jamaat Ahmadiyya and an important leader of Bait-ul-Maal Ahmadiyya, Muzaffar Ahmad Muzaffar has decided to quit Qadianiyat along with five members of his family and embrace Islam. **He will embrace Islam today, Friday, in Tauheed Mosque, Offenbach, Germany. According to sources, the denouncement from Jamaat Ahamdiyya has gained momentum. After the departure of Shaikh Raheal Ahmad from German Jamaat and embracing Islam, the gold-medalist poet of Jamaat Ahmadiyya and important member of Bait-ul-maal Ahamdiyya, Muzaffar Ahmad Muzaffar has also decided to denounced Ahmadiyyat and Ahmadi beliefs, and today on Friday he will formally announce his denunciation of Ahmadiyyat and the honour of acceptance of Islam in the Tauheed Mosque, Offenbach, Germany. He is reaching Ofenbach today with Muballigh-e-Khatme Nabuwwat, Mohammed Azam.
Sources say in this regard that the Ameer of Husum Jamaat, Muneer Ahmad, and National Ameer, Abdullah Wagushauser has also been informed in writing, after which he and his family are receiving death threats from the Qadiani Jamaat. He (Muzzafar Ahmad) has also writtena letter to the Regional Ameer, Columbus Khan, in this regard, in which he has informed him that he is getting death threats, and that this should stop.
It should be noted that 36 year old Muzzaffar Ahmad Muzaffar is from Peshawar and has been counted as important poet of Qadianis. He has been awarded Gold Medal for his services, whereas as an important member of the Bait-ul-Maal of Jamaat Ahmadiyya, he has rendered lot of services.
According to sources, in his letter to the regional Ameer Columbus Khan, he has mentioned that I do not want to expose the collective efforts of Jamaat and your individual efforts in a court of law, neither do I want to create a perpetual irritation for Jamaat by pricking its lifeline. However if Jamaat did not stop its Dajaal-natured, Evil-character, and old and stupid traditional policy against me, then we will meet in the court of law.
In the meantime, Maulana Manzoor Ahmad Chinioti and Abdur Rehman Bawa has praised the decision of Muzaffar Ahmad Muzaffar and labelled it as a proof of truthfulness of Islam. They have congratulated him. Maulana Manzoor Ahmad Chinioti has condemned the statement of Jamaat Ahmadiyya regarding Shaikh Raheal Ahmad's reversion to Islam, and said that Qadiani leadership is now collapsing and an explosive situation has generated and large number of Qadianis are turning towards Islam.
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Dated 20th September 2003:
In his address to the Friday gathering in Tauheed Mosque, Muzaffar Ahmad Muzaffar said:
"This day is a very blessed day for my whole family. We are coming out of the tortuous valleys of infedelity, cunningness and deception into the straight and lighted path of Islam. The story Qadiani conspiracies, viciousness and wickedness is spread over hundred years. For me the reasons of my conversion are as follows: Behind this decision, there are seven years of day and night reading books, personal observations, internal conduct of Jamaat, staying away of the Jamaat from the Sunnat of Holy Prophet SAAW, Jamaat's unnatural and un-islamic attitude, innumerable pagan beliefs of the movement, Movement's attempts to flood the literature with alterations and metaphoricals in the meanings of Holy Quran, and the decisions of Muslim Ummat in April and Sept 1974 regarding Qadianis (declaring them out of the fold of Islam). On the other hand the claims of Mirza Sahib extend from being 'Self-Cultivated Seedling of British' to the claim of divinity. In summary the other name for KUFR is Qadianism. Therefore I alongwith my whole family denounce all those repulsive beliefs and announce my reversion to Islam.
(Urdu Poetry: Hum aisay saada diloon kee niyaz mandee say
Butoon nay kee hein jahaan mein khudaeeyaan kiya kiya)
Because of the benevolence of simple-hearted people like us
Idols have performed many divine acts all over the world."
In the end he thanked Maulana Mushtaq-ur-Rehman, Maulana Mohammed Ahmed, Iftikhar Ahmed and Shaikh Raheal Ahmad for their guidance and expressed his determination to work for the cause of Islam.
Kindly read the Moratorium.