From A Shia Who's a Sunni

As-Salam-o-Alaikum
“And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, and remember the favour of Allah on you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favour you became brothers; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it; thus does Allah make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way.” (Al-Qur’an 3:103)

Despite what the Foolish Ones Say, We Shii are your Religious Kin.

We are your brothers and sisters, and we are not some evil twin
Bent on destroying the fabric of God’s Great Deyn.
But you should know that some folks are stupid and just plain mean.
They have to accentuate the differences in order to feel superior.

Their ranting is an ego trip
That causes folks to lose focus, and skip over that log-sized chip

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hey’re toting around.

They are passionate, and violent because their logic’s unsound.
Their scholarship is prejudiced, and they’re too tightly wound.

Yet some of you follow them without scrutiny. Are you blind?
It is a Muslim’s duty to be curious, study, analyse, and then find
The Path that is the Most Balanced.

The Path exemplified by the Mercy To the Universe.
But you hear these people…voice toned to terse…
Cursing your living brothers and sisters for having a correct
view of history.
It should be no mystery
That these same people, who call us Kufr, walk hand in hand
With the enemies of God, Jabreel and Man.

We Shii are your brothers and sisters…
And even though the forces of division blisters
Your shia siblings reputation, with exaggeration, misinterpretation,
And Bald faced, and neatly cropped, bearded lies,
Why do you set a prejudiced limitation on your sense of
Justice and Reason, and allow yourself to despise
Us without even a fair hearing of our side of the story?
Will you just keep on keep on thinking everything’s cool
And “Honkey-Dorey” while they’re murdering us;
Spurred on by government sainted ancient Shaykhs who you blindly trust?

What is our capital crime? What crime have we committed?
We Believe in Allah and To Him we’re submitted.
We Believe that Muhammad, by Allah, was sent
With a Way and a Book that guides souls to repent
And bear witness. We pray five times a day;
Standing and bowing in the Prophet’s own way.

We believe in the Hajj, in alms, heaven and hell;
Angels and Demons that rose high and then fell.
We believe in the day when the trumpet will sound,
And the folks in the graves will rise up from the ground.
And those in the garden will ask those who fell,
“What brought you to burn in this inferno called hell.”
They will say, "We were not of those who rose for the Prayer.
“We fed not the poor. We were proud and unfair.
“We waded in vain disputes with those who waded in vain disputes,
“Like God was not there.
“And we denied Judgment Day. So we didn’t prepare
“Until THE CERTAINTY came. Then we were aware.
“The Intercession of No Intercessor will help them then.”
We believe in all this. So what is our sin?

We believe in Jihad and commanding to right,
And forbidding the wrong, but we don’t worship might.

We do not believe that Quran’s incomplete.
This is certainly not some taqiyyah deceit
As most of the foolish slanderously say.

We believe in Quran. In its laws we obey.

Yes we pray on a rock or a small piece of clay.
Is not the dust on the beard of a man a great sign
That his face and his hands on the Last Day will shine?

But the brokers of power turned clay floors to “gold”
Hand woven carpets, But us they still scold.
We don’t worship Ali. Nor Hasan, or Husayn.
But it still breaks our hearts and fills them with pain
that our brothers and sisters are so unaware;
too thick to think, and too programmed to care.
Yes we cry and we mourn.
But you ignore us and scorn.

You won’t wonder or ask what caused all this grief.
You just keep living your lives, secure in belief
that nothing can be that bad.
Not even 400 years of slavery, colonialism, and iron clad
Domination by Kufr, has made you that sad
And only we Shii can make you that mad.
There are people amongst us who grieve to extreme.
But you grieve not at all, and are too sleep to dream
That a nightmarish death for the Prophet’s close kin,
Brought on by the Muslims is an unforgivable sin,
That rains curses on those who are allied with the perpetrators.
Yet you love those who kill us because we are the demonstrators,
Of the crime that was committed that has brought down the curse.
You’d think killing us is allowed because our lamentations are worse.

It’s hard for you to see the legitimacy of our sect.
You were trained not to be circumspect, not to ponder and reflect
On anything accept what you were taught as law.

Our sect is founded in scholarship that’s deserving of awe.
You take your scholar’s word about what’s right and what’s not.
But with us you’re cautious, acting like our people are part of a plot
But which group is plotting? Whose murdering whom?
Which group of people put prophet’s kin in the tomb?
Our judges can judge by your books and our own.
Your scholars can not, and they teach you that even to listen to us a sin for
which you must repent or atone.

True, it’s a fact that we believe Ali
Would have made a better successor than Aisha’s dad.
But if I lived in those times, though I wouldn’t have been glad,
I’d have been loyal to Abu Bakr. Most of us were.
We didn’t raise much of a ruckus or kick up a stir.

I’d follow Abu Bakr, Omar and Uthman too.
I’d have stayed out of that mess, and away from that goo.
Uthman was slain by murderous men who seemed driven insane.
And the crime that they did was a sin, clear and plain.

But what of those who rose to take the law in their hand;
Who raised ranks of young soldiers to rebel and then stand
Against Ali, the elected leader of The Nation?
Is this not a crime; a gross deviation?

But this part of the story was swept under the rug.
Covered like Kufr, all nice, neat and snug.
Who will dare read the story from our point of view?
Or will you laugh and applaud on mechanical cue
Like you’ve been doing?

I, for one, do not see
How anybody knowing the history
Would not wonder about the mystery
Of the alleged legitimacy
Of making war on the governmental agency
Which is supposed to be the last one that was “Divinely Guided.”
How can we be murderously divided
Over such a ridiculously clear point of history?
Why is it such a baffling mystery?

But that’s the real issue, isn’t it?
You don’t know the history. You only know one side of the law.
You hold demonstrations of might in great reverence and awe.
And the ruling class and their bullies are scared that you might link up with us.
Then, you might let loose of some awe, and rethink your trust.

And if enough Sunnis got in sync,
It might cause a stink.

So they made the issue illegal, and you’re too chicken to think,
That the king is un-cool, and a puppet rat-fink,
And his children who hate him are neck deep in the stink.

You’re too ethnocentric to think that mom and dad could be wrong.
Your ego’s real big, but your soul’s not that strong.
*I know you love Aisha, A Mother of the Faithful. *
We love Ali, The Commander of the Faithful.
We recognize Aisha, but we’re trained not to ignore
A wrong when it’s done by even those we adore.

Some Shias act right. Some Shias are wrong.
Some talk polite. Some speak out too strong.

But all of our views are truth based in reason.
So how can it be, that speaking strongly about treason
Committed over a thousand years ago is sane reason
To condemn someone to death?
How could our brothers want to make our mothers bereft
Because some of us say that on Abu Bakr And Umar there’s a curse.
What is worse,
Killing a living human being because of an unpopular point of view,
Or being bold enough to express a point of view that doesn’t agree with you?

*We’re ostracized and condemned *
To excommunication and death

For having a logical historical perspective
That doesn’t agree with an obviously illogical point of view.

And that’s all it is; just a historical view.
One school has a view. The other has one too.

A view of the past, impacting on today.
Folks long dead and buried yet you’re unwilling to display
The family linen; fearing those blood spots did not come clean
In the government’s media washing machine.

You’re scared that you won’t be able to tell fiction from truth.
After all, you’re only a highly impressionable youth.
You can’t tell wrong from right, or foul from fair.
So you better stay away from us. Don’t you even dare
Read one of our books or hear our Shaykhs preach.

Go to school with those Kaffirs,
But don’t let those Shii brothers teach
You anything from their school of thought.
So most of you wouldn’t be caught
Dead with one of us for a friend.
To listen, then reason is a big anti-shi-ite sin.

Cuz the enemy of my enemy is my friend,
And the friend of my friend is my friend,
And my friend is my friend.
So how can you be the friend of my enemy and still be my friend.
How can you lend your support to people who would murder my kith and kin,
And still have the nerve to say you’re my friend?

Listen. We follow the Sunnah.

We have good folks and bad.
We have smart folks and dumb folks,
Who can’t even add.

The school where we learned is different from yours.
Is the difference enough to cause destructive wars
That keep us slapping each other like Curly, Larry and Moe?
Is this the Islam that we want to show
American people? Open your mind.
And resign yourself to the fact that we’re related.
The Prophet of God will be more than elated.

*Allah is One. His Deyn is One. The Believers Are One. Unity is One. *
Neither East nor West, Islam’s the Best.

wassalam
syed Mohamad masoom Abidi

Re: From A Shia Who’s a Sunni

^ Brother ** syed Mohamad masoom Abidi**

Please take my advise and try to give credit where it is due.

You have posted this poem here and stuck your name below and the impression thus arrived is that it is by you.

This poem is penned by one Shaykh Ali Abu-Talib Son Of AbdunNur

You don’t believe me? Check it:

http://www.forum.kifkif.be/archive/index.php?t-295.html

You did the similar deed before and had to come back and admit so.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4297121&postcount=16

My reaction to the poem? May I add is full of inaccuracies - got no time to refute it. Otherwise trust me some of good friends are Shia.

Re: From A Shia Who’s a Sunni

:wsalam: Abidi Saheb.:pcg:
YAAR MAZA NAHI AYA…PAISEY WAPIS MIL JAEIN GAI?
:cb: :smilestar: :sheen:

Re: From A Shia Who's a Sunni

^ mazey chahiye to cafe mein wapis chaley jao.

and if you have nothing worthwhile to say then please dont bother.

Re: From A Shia Who’s a Sunni

salam

Br Read my previouss mail where i cleared those articles are of Shahid Athar M.D and i put my name normally in all mails because i am posting those mails. I am not here to take credit of articles but for showing all the muslims right path through different good articles.
I am very sorry about your way of thinking. My dear I am nothing, a poor banda e khuda and do not post anywhere for name and fame.
Please concentrate more on messagte of the post and message of islamic unity.
wassalam

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Insaano main ek jamaat aisee bhee hotee hai ki jab bhee koi unko sahee raah dikhane ki koshish kerta hai toh woh uskae message ko respond kernae ki bajae mind divert kertae hain qaum ka us insaan ki faults ya kamiyaan nikaal kae. Ab karein bhi kya message toh sahee hai.

bhaiya message kya hai woh dekho wahaan dimagh ager lagaya hota toh musalmaan aaj dunia ki sazish ka shukaar na hota.

wassalam

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brother syed Mohamad masoom Abidi - Salaams

Don’t worry about my way of thinking, trust me, it is okay. I just asked you to give credit where it is due, nothing wrong with that.

You say that the message you posted is of Unity? Read it again. It nowhere is near Unity but far from it. Read between the lines and the message is clear that Shiaism is the way.

My reponse - Sorry it does not rhyme

*If only you were to love those whom Allah and His dear Prophet loved
The Prophet spent most of his time with his Companions for as long as he lived
Quran is full of praise for those who strived for Islam in those early days
Yet you see how you deal with them

The Prophet titled one of them As-Siddique – The Truthful
And the other Al-Farouk - He who distinguishes truth from falsehood
Even in death they are laid close to the Prophet - That’s how Allah willed it.
And yet Shias never tire of cursing them day and night.*

Stop doing what you do and surely “The Prophet of God will be more than elated.”

Put that into English so that I can respond (if you want.)

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As-Salam-o-Alaikum

*"And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, and remember the favour of Allah on you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favour you became brothers; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it; thus does Allah make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way." (Al-Qur'an 3:103) *

We believe in the oneness of the Creator, our Lord, Allah, the Glorifies, the Most High, and in the message of His final prophet Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. Our Lord commands us to unity through the final revelation, the Holy Qur'an, and through the example of His final messenger, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Unfortunately, today the scourges of disunity and sectarianism are tearing the Ummah apart. For too long, the enemies of Islam and Muslims have been allowed to sow the seeds of hatred between Muslim brothers and sisters, resulting in bloodshed and destruction.

The time has come for Muslims to stand against such cruelty and injustice, falsely committed in the name of Islam. Accordingly, we call upon Muslims to: --Denounce all forms of disunity, including racism, nationalism, and sectarianism, committed by individuals, organizations and governments around the world.
Unite in our stance against all attempts to divide the Ummah, in accordance with Ayah 3:103 of the Qur'an and the authentic traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. --Commit ourselves to the promotion of good relations between all Muslims, based on Islamic etiquette (adab). We make this statement to take an Islamic stance of unity against all divisive policies and actions.

wassalam
Syed Mohammad masoom abidi

Re: From A Shia Who's a Sunni

O bhaiyo

What is wrong.

I have some best friends who are shia. We include them in our prayers they follow our Imaam and we ourself offer prayer behind their Imaam, whatever is convenient because our intention is to ofer prayer for Allah, thats all.

This is useless discussion about sects. Lets be Muslims first, unity will automatically come.

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Sab Musalmanu ko aik doosaray say acha salook karna chahye. Ye lazami hai.

Bhai smma59 - Kabbi app nay irani sunnio kay baray mein bi soocha hai?

Is there a single capital city in the world without a Sunni mosque, with the exception to Tehran - the capital of the Shi’ah -, which has forty Christian churches and a cemetery for the Baha’is ? ………

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^ are you saying there are no sunni mosques in Iran?

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Yes, Mr Moderator, there is not a single masjid for Sunnis in the capital of Tehran though the sunni population of Tehran is one million.

Interesting?

Want an evidence?

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lahore 981...dekh lo bhai..tumharay bhai debater nay to tumko hamaray jaisa shia bana diya :) acha hai acha hai..ek shia ka aur izafa ho gaya

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is kay ba wujood imam sahab namoo daar naheen hotay, yani kay wo us waqt aayeingay jub shia aksariyat aur sunni aqaliyat mein hongay?

Re: From A Shia Who's a Sunni

Please keep your prejudice to yourself. I am just a Muslim, nothing more, nothing less.

SherazCT,
This guy (Debatar) is empty in the skull. Don't mind him.

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No, i didnt say Tehran, i said Iran..?

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Oh meray brather Ma Mooli

So where should the Teherani Sunnis go for Juma prayers? I am sure you know that Sunnis have slightly different Khutbah - like praising and blessing the blessed Companions [ra] of the Prophet (sallalahu wa allay wasalam).

So no catering for Sunnis needs just for the sake of Unity???

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^ agreed. it is absolutely stupid of irani govt to disallow sunnies from having mosques in Tehran.

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no im just curious, if there are no sunni mosque in the whole of iran, then it is technically widespread governmental oppression and it should be taken seriously. Hoewever if it the issue is solely in tehran, and there are sunni mosques elsewhere in iran, then i dont think its really an issue of 'suppression' or 'persecution', theres most likley some other pragmatic reason behind this for which we need to find out from iranians themselves, and not some dissident maulvi whose been out of iran since pre revolution, directing his venom from some office in london.

Finally, these complaints would have more weight, if you had similar senitments towards other minorites (esp shias) in sunni dominated countries such as Saudi Arabia, bahrain, kuwait, Eygpt, Jordan, Sudan etc. rather than crying foul when it happens to yourself. It does make it seems highly insincere and hypocritical to cry foul over one nation, whilst ignoring the bigger culprits, who are pretty much experts in the same business.

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First Iran and now iraq too…

http://cytations.blogspot.com/2006/03/us-sponsors-iran-run-death-squads-in.html

Where does this type of terrorism stop?