fresh wave of target killings in Karachi

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U r mistaken i didnt bring mqm into this.i just quoted what ssp chaudary said.

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**KARACHI: Police on Thursday claim to have arrested three men who were allegedly involved in the **murder of three lawyers in Karachi o](http://tribune.com.pk/story/326942/three-dead-in-firing-incident-near-karachi-city-court/)**n January 19, Express News reported.

**The Central Investigation Department presented three masked men and weapons, during a press briefing on Thursday. They claimed that they had arrested suspected terrorists Taufiq Ansari, Salahuddin Israel and Maulana Mohammad Rashid from from Mauripur. They also recovered weapons from their possession.
According to the police, the three have allegedly confessed to killing City Court typist Mukhtar Abbas along with eight other people.
Police has recovered three Kalashnikovs automatic rifles, five pistols and two motorcycles from their possession.
*Police believes the men wanted to target lawyers and doctors on sectarian basis.
***http://tribune.com.pk/story/330957/cid-arrests-three-alleged-target-killers-from-mauripur/

good work CID**

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Although I agree with you that in the past some sunni ulema have been killed, but the two that you have mentioned (Maulana Azam Tariq and Molana Shair Haideri) it kind of makes sense as they have been leading SSP which has been fighting against shias for a long time. In the recent past mostly shias are being killed (Karachi, Parachinar and pro Pakistani Hazaras in Balochistan), if they also start retaliating then we will have a very dangerous situation (like 1990's) which I dont think anyone has the stomach for. LJ is trying to convert this into a sectarian issue, but over all sanity is prevailing generally amongst the sunnis and shias.

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That list of yours is filled with extremist radicals. On the other hand, people who they have targeted and killed were common people, whose names were unknown. This is enough to show the futility of the point you tried to prove.

In the above post, you are again making it look a fight between sipahe sahaba and shias. And you are not alone. This is exactly what I said earlier. The fight is not between shias and sipahe sahaba, but between common Pakistanis and extremist radical anarchists.
If one does not agree with it then these extremists will turn tomorrow towards other Pakistani groups.

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we should try not to make this happen, try stopping hate speech at Imambargahs and resultantly in masajids.
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That is one of the most pathetic arguments I have seen. This is actually an attempt to put the responsibility of murder of innocent people on themselves. An attempt to make victims responsible for their own murder.

Do you really think that those Talibanic kharijis will stop killing shias if "hate speeches" in Imambargahs stop? If this is what you think then why were all those people of Ahle Sunnat were killed by those Talibanic khawarij?

Please don't be a victim of hatred and prejudice. Condemn terrorism against common people, regardless of their religion, race, or creed.
Anyone who tries to justify killings of common people is himself a part of Talibanic khariji network.

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And later bao bihari says:

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Believe me the plan is to make every sunni think just like sipah people think
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You know what, "the plan" seems to be working, at least in the case of bao bihari.

But in reality, there is no such plan. It is just plain hatred resulting in sometimes random and sometimes targeted killings of anyone who disagrees with khariji ideology of those Taliban terrorists. This is why the victims of their terrorism may be shias in particular, but they have killed the Ahle Sunnat people a lot of times as well.

So if the khwarij have any plan then this plan is not just against shias, but against Muslims in general.

Like I said earlier, some people in their naivety, intentional or unintentional, think that the problem is between shias and khawarij. But actually the problem is between khawarij and all Muslims and Pakistanis. Shias are killed most only because they are most prominent and easily identified and killed. But tomorrow they can turn their attention towards other Muslims and Pakistani state itself.
And it is not just prophecy. It actually happened in Pakistan in the last decade.

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True.
Sanity is prevailing because shias know that people killing them are not sunnis but kharijis.
The only concern shias have is that many sunnis tolerate killings of shias only because at this time the kharijis are not killing sunnis. At least sunnis are not being targeted by kharijis in large numbers.

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Jamia Binoria. School of khariji terrorism. fasad ki jarr.

**Karachi: Two suicide bombers involved in Karachi Sea View blast have been identified as students of local seminaries, police said on Friday.**Police said that a terrorist was identified as Shoaib-ur-Rahman who had been staying in Jamia Binoria Interntion, a prominent seminary located in city’s Industrial area SITE town. They

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Yes but they have targeted barelvis too, and it was strange abid (taleban guy) was against JUD as well, that means they are against any one who opposes their cult.

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They are against all pakistanis becoz in their minds we are not Muslims according to their definition they against army and govt too becoz they all spousingly support secularism which presented by Jews to defend them and destroy all other religions:D: sick minds.

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do you mean they were fighting shias? they were engaged in some conflict with shias or someone else so it was okay to kill them?

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^ Who said it was ok to kill them?
And if they were not fighting shias then talk to bao bihari instead of quoting me. It was he who gave that list. I don't even know many of those names themselves.

I spent so much time and posted so many arguments, and yet the only thing you could find was an excuse to criticize me by putting your own words in my mouth.
There was the other guy here who was putting the responsibility of murder on the victims themselves instead of criticizing the murderers. And then there are people like him who let go of no opportunity to mock and abuse those who condemn these murders of common Pakistanis.

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It is correct. But mostly it is difficult for them to target Barelvi sunnis. Because Barelvis sunnis are majority in Pakistan.
At one time, I used to call their fasad against shias as violence against minorities, but later they proved that their fasad is against Barelvi sunnis as well. So it is no longer the fasad against minorities. Rather it is a minority cult attacking and killing majority Muslims in Pakistan.

They know themselves that their policies and believes are different from majority Muslims. Hence they try to convince others that they are majority by attempting to "hijack" the name of sunnis. It is to THEIR advantage to call it a fight between sunnis and shias. When in reality it is a fight between these khawarij and common Pakistani Muslims (both shia and sunni).

And it is absolutely true that they will kill anyone who disagrees with them, no matter what religion or s

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You know what, I say that it does not matter if they call any disagreeing with them a non-Muslim. That's not the point. We can argue about it anytime.
BUT no one should be allowed to KILL others just because they don't like their believes. That's simple criminal act, which can never be justified and should never be supported.

There is this guy here who tried to justify their worst crime against humanity and Islam, by saying that these extremists kill shias because of the "hate speeches". Regardless of how much weight is in this argument, it is still not enough excuse to kill random people. If they don't like "hate speeches" from some ignorant folks then they themselves indulge themselves in EVEN WORSE hate speeches in their jalsas.

The right way to control such hate speeches would be to use the law of the country to stop those people making such speeches. Make it illegal.
But in no religion, and in no civilized world is it allowed to kill random people just because somebody got upset by hearing some speech from an ignorant person.

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The way you responded 'they were extremist radicals.....' instead of condemning their killing. If you don't even know many on the list then how can you say that list was full of radicals?

I put words in your mouth, like where? Asking question is not putting words into someone's mouth.

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bao bihari's reason for editing the post said that it was done to add more Sipah people in the list.

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Baseless and indiscreet

**Interior Minister Rehman Malik has added another theory to his litany of theories about violence in Karachi. He has asserted that terrorists from Gilgit and Miranshah have become operational in Karachi to disturb the law and order situation in the metropolis. It has become a trait of Pakistani leaders and politicians to blame local problems on external forces. Instead of facing the reality, we have become used to blaming our problems on outsiders.
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Rehman Malik’s assertion, during a visit to Pir Pagara’s house for condolences, not only reflects such a mentality but also reveals a particular streak of his personality, He tends to come up with unique explanations which have no realistic basis. Previously, he attributed targeted killing in Karachi to girlfriends and wives.

Like our interior minister, there are people in Gilgit-Baltistan too who blame sectarian violence there on external elements, instead of focusing on the real causes on the local level.

The fact is that violence in Karachi does not come from Gilgit or Miranshah. Rather, it is a product of the socio-economic and political dynamics of the city. Being a metropolitan city, Karachi is home to diverse communities and groups belonging to different regions of Pakistan, including Gilgit-Baltistan. The majority of Gilgiti migrants in Pakistan live in Karachi, because of the economic incentives and opportunities by the city. In becoming part of the city’s economic activities a person from Gilgit, or anywhere else in Pakistan, naturally becomes part of the social milieu of Karachi. If a person from Gilgit is involved in violence it is not because he has been sent from a training centre up in the mountains and has descended on the city to kill people.

No doubt, the city of Gilgit is plagued with sectarian violence for the last two decades. And any sectarian incident in another part of the country can sometimes cause a reaction at the local level. But there has never been a time when a violent event in Gilgit had repercussions in other parts of the country. It is another matter that there is the possibility of some people from there getting involved in the Karachi violence.

Rehman Malik’s assertion came after the brutal murder of three lawyers belonging to a particular sect in Karachi. So far, political analysts have focused on the role of religious parties and sectarian outfits in religious violence in the country, but little has been said about the role of secular parties in exploiting religious sentiments for political mileage.

To some extent this holds true for the major secular parties of Karachi as well. These parties’ use of religious and sectarian sentiments for sympathy may encourage some individuals with sectarian mindsets to join them to pursue their own narrow agendas.

The nature of violence in Gilgit is entirely different from the violence perpetrated by militants in Waziristan. That is why, despite the targeted killings there for several years, Gilgit-Baltistan continues to attract a large number of foreign tourists, and violence against foreigners is rare.

**Portraying the whole region of Gilgit as a source of terrorism in Karachi will have dire consequences for the peaceful migrants from there. Rehman Malik’s assertion is not even based on facts. Until now not a single Gilgiti has been convicted of a terrorism crime in Karachi. Nor did the Joint Investigation Report of the intelligence agencies mention people from Gilgit as being responsible for targeted killings in Karachi.
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The federal interior minister wilfully ignores these realities and finds an excuse to cover up his own failure. Gilgit-Baltistan is one of the few parts of the country where tourism continues, and a comment like this from the interior minister of the country will not only worsen the image of Pakistan abroad but badly affect tourism in that region.

Since the elections in the Senate are imminent and preparations for the next general elections are underway, it was expedient for him not to name the parties and people involved in the violence in Karachi, and found an easy scapegoat in the people of Gilgit.

It is unfortunate that, being spineless and under the thumb of the federal government, the chief minister and the Legislative Assembly of Gilgit-Baltistan have not recorded their protest against the federal minister’s indiscreet remarks.

The writer is based in Islamabad.

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Another shikaar of RM, this time Chitral…

http://www.chitralnews.com/Rehman Malik-03-Feb-2012.htm

Interior Minister’s aspersions

Comment 1
Interior Minister Rehman Malik in a press conference while commenting on the law and order situation in Karachi, indicted taking the names of Chitral, Gilgit Baltistan and contiguous areas producing terrorists, is hard blow on the image of Chitral and seems to be playing Russian roulette game with the people of Chitral which in turn disturbs all concerning peace and serenity prevails only in Chitral.

A single case of cross-boarder attack few months ago on the militia in Chitral does not suffice to justify naming Chitral in the heinous activity and phenomenon around the world. It shows lack of the political sagacity of the Minister on judging the root causes of the issue. It is also incongruent and illogical while specifically stressing on the deteriorating situation in Karachi, taking the name of Chitral. It is also very difficult to politically connect the Karachi with Chitral with respect to the law and order situation. No party, faction, group, community has remained exempt from allegations in our country on target killing, bombing, suicide attacks, extortion and ransom.** The only Chitral and Chitrali people had not yet been alleged, now our Minister used the last option he had, used it, which is devoid of reality.**

Law and order situation in Karachi has become a grave challenge for the government. It shows the incapacity of the central and provincial government’s interior ministers to handle the issue stubbornly. The real elements behind the worse status-quo in Karachi is known to all and even the October,2011 detailed verdict of Supreme Court’s suo-moto action, is a clear testimony wherein it was said that reports of intelligence agencies saying that some criminal groups had political backing and that such elements had become part of political parties.** The court also said that banned outfits including Sunni Tehreek are involved in extortion, while there are allegations of the same offence against parties such as Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), Jamat-e-Islami (JI), Awami National Party (ANP) and MQM. Two days later of this Verdict on October 8, 2011 Interior minister Rehman Malik added that “The government is working on long-term plan to bring permanent peace to the city,” and assured that the Supreme Court decision on target killings in the city would be implemented in letter and spirit.**

With the assurance to working on long term plan for bringing the alleged people and groups to book for bringing durable peace in Karachi has become a daydream until now.

On February 2 again Interior Minister said that law and order situation in Karachi is the result of conspiracy.

Who are responsible for the deteriorating law and order situation is known to all. The history of violence and target killing is the mirror to see the root causes of the situation in Karachi. The ethno-linguistic elements, drug mafia and banned outfits fan the fire for political, economic and other purposes. Whether it is the issue of full provincial autonomy or separate province on linguistic lines or the issue of political dominance or the emerging wave of the defense Pakistan movement or the aftermath of political bargaining between the ruling coalition parties and opposition, whatsoever it is the blame on Chitral, Gilgit Baltistan and contiguous areas, falls short of any viable and logical statement of responsible minister on a serious issue.

If government has evidence of intelligence reports regarding Chitral on the issue of terrorist, needs to be revisited again. There may have been such elements in the boarder areas of chitral of those people across the boarder and others regions contiguous to Chitral, where terrorists easily crossing boarder to make it safe heavens for their heinous activities and trying to disturb peace and serenity in the area. It is again mandated authority and responsibility of government to single out and flush them out of the region.

The people of Chitral by nature and outlook are peaceful and they will never let such elements in this beautiful and peaceful enclave and will certainly extend their support; without making compromise, with government for the peace of Chitral. This indictment has not only bearing on the people of Chitral but also on the handful Chitrali’s living in Karachi for the last many years. The people of Chitral are known to the world as peaceful. The objective of Interior Minister of politically target killing of Chitrali’s is difficult to perceivable.

Government instead of blaming Chitral particularly and other areas generally should look into the matter seriously and realistically for rooting out the elements in the country while taking all the stake holders on board. The major problem of our political leadership is that they always squabble on matters of trivial nature bypassing the matter of concern for the nation as a whole. Better than to indict Chitral on the issue of terrorist, government should see seriously where the shoe pinches. – Alhaj Muhammad Khan Charun, Chitral 03 Feb 2012

Comment 2
**I, on behalf of all Chitrallis condemn the allegation of Rehman Malik. This statement has hurt the people who have been considered to be the symbol of peace and serenity all over the country and even abroad. I am sure that the person, Reham Malik, who is famous for his foolish/absurd and baseless statements has once again committed a blunder by blaming the people of Chitral and Gilgit Baltistan. **Every person of the nation knows who are behind the heinous target killing and other terrorist activities in Karachi. The Supreme Court decision is in place wherein it is determined who are committing these crimes and who are innocent. In fact Rehman Malik has contempt ed the apex court which should be highlighted. Facts show that Rehman Malik even himself knows which ethno linguistic elements have been playing this bloodshed since their inception, but they are the allies of Malik and that is why they are innocent. Shame on you, be truthful and dare to face the fact, Malik. Chitralli nation will never pardon you until and unless you don’t take back your idiot statement.

I appeal to PPP Chitral office bearers to host a strong protest and condemn the foolish statement of quack dr. malik. You are first chitrali and then ppp workers and office bearer. If you don’t condemn this quack dr. malik then the people of Chitral will condemn you in the upcoming elections. – Afzal Nadir, Lahore 04 Feb 2012

Comment 3
Sheikh Rasheed in one of his public speeches said that he will make Rawalpindi like Chitral. Here he meant to make Rawalpindi as peaceful as Chitral. A couple of days back the interior minister stated that terrorists from Chitral and Gilgit-Baltistan are behind the crimes in Karachi. He seems to have lost sight and vision, while making this belligerent speech, because while the entire KPK was broiling in turmoil during the last few troubled years, Chitral was the most peaceful district in the region. He just wants to divert the attention of the public from the sheer failures to maintaining law and order situation in the country and especially in Karachi, under his nose.

The unprecedented peacefulness, tranquility, honesty, truthfulness and hospitality of Chitralis are well known within the country and overseas. Despite such circumstantial evidences the interior minister accuses the humble peace loving people, which is strongly condemned. Though he has a branded image for his irresponsible statements in the national politics but he crossed every limit by accusing, out of the blue, the peaceful people of Chitral. The interior minister should either prove his gobbledygook or seek apology from the people of Chitral. In the community of nations the state agent has caused irreparable loss to the soft image of Pakistan through his verbal transgression. In no way our values should be trespass by people having malign interests. – Syed Gohar Ali Shah, Islamabad 05 Feb 2012

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Why was sunni/Shia conflict not present pre Tehreek e Nifaz e Fiqa Jaferiya and similar organizations , this is because after so called islamic revolution some in our country tried to import it , this is when this problem arised.

Killing of any citizen is bad regardless of his religion sect or race. what is disturbing is the way some people present it as one sided affair. Killing of Ahle Sunnat wa aljammaat ulema / attacks at Ahle Sunnat masajid do not make a big news , while it makes headlines when it comes to shias.

PS: how come bohras and other shias are not attacked, it is just because they do not do tabbarra that openly regardless of the fact that their belief is more distant to sunni version then athna ashri.

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there is difference between adding few Sipah people and adding more sipah people, last three ulema were from sipah e sahbah.

Please do not misquote while you try to prove your point. ALLAH HIDAYAT DAY :slight_smile:

I can still remember the sweet fragrance from his qabr.

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interesting article

http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/06/divide-and-rule.html

Divide and rule

**The humour that a lot of people indulge in Pashtun and Sindhi jokes where ethnic groups are targeted for being featherheaded, does not really appeal to me. Every time I read a text or an email focusing on the so-called ‘idiosyncrasies’ of different ethnic groups, I truly feel this lame exercise boils down to the fact that we all suffer from some major superiority complex, which mind you is an offshoot of the inferiority complex, that keeps us from being rational and accommodating towards other people.
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**Perhaps, the jokes and stereotypical tendencies that we generally show towards people who have a different accent or lifestyle is a ‘syndrome’ which has stronger roots than fathomable by an idle mind. Perhaps the spike in ethnic violence, that has cost countless lives, is also an extension of the hatred and intolerance that we have for each other’s customs.
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Many people have known to flee their homeland and relocate because the ethnic tensions within the city or province does not leave them much choice. For many patriots, it became a choice between their lives and ‘home’.

Karachi is one of the most densely populated cities of Pakistan, with an estimated population of 18 million people. Being the hub of economic activities, Karachi has attracted immigrants from various parts of the country, who migrate to the city for better income prospects and sustainable livelihood. However, the ethnic massacres perpetrated by ‘unknown elements’ in the city, which once was a realm to people professing different ethnicities, have divided the city into fault lines that are at risk of disintegration.

The problem cannot be solved until the crux of the issue is identified and eliminated. Perhaps what looks like the most apparent reason is not exactly the root cause of the trouble. Various theories, pertaining to human psychology, propose that ever since the existence of mankind, people who are alike and belong to same ethnic group derogate other groups that do not conform to their own lifestyle and practises. This is one of the many ways to protect one’s own ideologies by shunning out ‘black sheep’ prevalent in other factions of the society.

**Viewing the current barbaric situation in Pakistan, different political lobbies that represent Sindhis, Pashtuns or Urdu speaking populace, literally bank upon this theory and create divergence amongst Pakistanis. By creating cultural divisions and ‘granting’ each division a status which remains superior from the other ethnic group, it becomes easier for politicians to yank the strings of their followers. The famous theory of ‘divide and rule’ was based on the same foundations however; the irony is that we have failed to learn any lessons from our previous mistakes.
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Many incidents take place in front of our eyes, however, most of us have become immune to the ‘fiascos’ and the best way to deal with the situation is to restrict them to ‘drawing room gossip’ where law enforcing agencies and the government are literally bashed for their dysfunctional system and lack of interest in the welfare of Pakistani society.

But most of us feel ‘safe’ as long as the ambush, death and the gunshot do not affect us because we hail from the same group which bifurcate the society into Shia and Sunni Muslims. We ourselves are responsible for creating a rift which is dividing Pakistan into obscure regions.

Creating separate provinces and demarcating territories will do no good; in fact, it will further alienate Pakistanis from each other. Why can’t we all live together whilst appreciating each other’s differences? My idea of a perfect Pakistan remains where no one fears wearing the Ajrak, where *Naswar *jokes are not used to insult Pashtuns, where Christmas and Diwali are celebrated by everyone regardless of their religious orientation and most importantly, where everyone has a right to profess their own ideologies without being threatened to be killed.

What most of us fail to realise is that the combination of different ethnic groups and religions make up a diverse society – a society which is enriched and has much to teach to the general population, than one which is restricted to a single ethnic group or majority.

**Target killing, sectarian riots and ethnic violence are all interrelated and spring from the same tree of violence, which is staged to create breaches amongst the people of Pakistan – which will continue to widen unless initiatives are adopted at a personal level.
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Most of the problems that Pakistan is facing currently are blamed on to poverty and a low literacy rate, however, sectarian and ethnic violence is nothing but sheer bigotry which has contaminated our minds and will continue to hamper our growth. Political factions that benefit from this trade of death should think about the prosperity and welfare of Pakistan and stop using humans as ‘bait’ for their self-serving interests.