French PM bans Hjab

Raffarin Adamant On Anti-Hijab Law

By Hadi Yahmed
IslamOnLine Correspondent
PARIS, October 18

(IslamOnline.net) – French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin
reiterated on Friday, October 17, his support for passing a law banning
hijab in French schools, as his Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy
asserted that French Muslims must respect the country’s secularism.

Speaking to the members of the French Muslim Council, Raffarin said
“all kinds” of hijab should be banned in state schools.

“France has proved that it has all powers to impose this decision and
this what happened recently,” he said, referring to the expulsion of
two Muslim sisters, Lila and Alma Levy, from their school after they
refused to take off their hijab.

The two sisters were expelled from Henri Wallon lycee in the Paris
northern suburb of Aubervilliers, after the school claimed they were
wearing clothes “of an ostentatious character.”

“I am confident that a new law on hijab would be the best solution to
such a controversial issue,” the premier argued, hinting at a report on
secularism and religion to be submitted to President Jaques Chirac by
the end of this year.

Chirac set up the secularity commission in July to rule on whether new
legislation was needed to handle a growing debate over religion in
schools, particularly Muslim schoolgirls wearing hijab.

Raffarin made no bones about Islamophobia phenomena, which had its toll
on Muslims in France “just like anti-Semitic incidents.”

He asserted that Islam poses no threat to the French society, adding
that there was a dividing line between “Islam (as a religion) and some
Islamic groups.”

“France holds Islam in great esteem,” said the premier.

Last month, Raffarin underlined that there would be no room for
religious symbols such as hijab in French educational institutions.

Respect Secularism

For his part, Sarkozy asserted that French Muslims must respect the
principles of secularism in France.

“No to hijab in schools when it has an ostentatious character…And to
hijab inside state-run offices,” Sarkozy told the French magazine Le
Nouvelle Observateur Friday.

But he voiced anew his opposition to the hijab-banning law, warning it
would provoke a backlash among Muslims, who would view it as an “insult
and punishment.”

“Are we expected to pass a new law when it comes to harassment?”
Sarkozy wondered. “Hence, we are required to pass a myriad of laws.”

The minister stressed that his opposition to the new law did not mean
he totally rejected it.

Sarkozy noted he would support such legislation if dialogue with
Muslims ended in nothing and hijab became “an organized movement” and
not personal.

He said French-born Muslim girls wear hijab because either it makes
them feel secure in some districts, or as a sign of confirming their
Muslim identity.

Speaking to the French Muslim Council on October 13, Sarkozy suggested
a bandana as a possible alternative to hijab.

The issue of hijab was become the center of heated debates between a
sizeable and increasingly assertive Muslim minority in several European
countries and the long tradition of secular education in the continent.

So far, most countries do not have any specific legislation on whether
or not hijab can be worn in schools or other public establishments.

Major exceptions are Turkey, whose founder Ataturk banned hijab as part
of a sweeping plan of modernization.

Comment:

As the muslims all over the world start returning to Islam there are those who feel threatened especially when muslims reject the western secular values and have to resort to banning. It would have been better for the french Pm to have a debate with the muslims about the applicability of secularism or Islam in terms of solving the problems in french society. And to this debate of secularism or Islam to solve the problems of humanity let it begin here on GS.

I thought it was already banned. They don't allow anything "religious" I don't think. Even kara (sikh thang) and crosses are banned. I don't see any visable victimisation or distrimination so it should be all good.

What if a girl claims she is wearing a headscarf as a fashion statement? Would it still be banned? What are the dress codes in French schools?

the good news is that they can all go to high school in Oklahoma now if they want. Religious freedom is one of the many things that make america great

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the good news is that they can all go to high school in Oklahoma now if they want. Religious freedom is one of the many things that make america great
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What Religious freedom what planet are you on. In America ask the muslims if they got freedom most of them too busy being harrassed by FBI and the local red neck sheriffs!

^ really, ok I'll ask then. Fraudia, Faisal, american muslims et. al. what do you think of freedom of religion in the US? Is it a sham, or does it exist?

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Her inability to intellectually meet the Islamic challenge is something which shows America is weak
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sorry, but this made me giggle. Where would this hypothetical "intellectual meeting" take place, on the set of jeopardy! hosted by Alex Trebec? Who would stand in as the intellectual muslim, somebody from HT?

A gov't is either secular or it's not. An ideology either values/adopts individual freedoms or it does not. Your view is that Islam can not help but be political, so your version Islam is not presently compatible with the US.

I say presently because another one of the US's great virtues is its adaptability. If, one day, Islam becomes the #1 religion in the US then the muslim majority can vote for whomever they please as their representatives in congress and the white house. With a 2/3rds majority in the senate they can probably even create a constitutional amendment to change the official title of "president" to "khalifah".

that's contradictory to the concept of secularism. Secularism is where states do not interfere with the choice of an individual regarding what religious beliefs they choose to adopt.

Secularism would be where people are allowed to wear their religious garb, but where the STATE is not enforcing anyone to wear or not wear their garb. Its almost like the state is coming in and saying "you can't follow your religion here", whereas secularism is "the state can't tell you what to believe in and neither can any other institution".

ANd dawah wouldn't even fall under that, because in dawah no one is FORCING a religious way of life on you...they're just informing you of what Islam is about.

pcg

That's really unbelievable.

I donot see it as victimisation of muslims alone as hiccup said its for every religious group. However i do think its an extremely pethatic law and should be modified. Seems like people in france got alot to do.

Wonder what are the dress codes in France for schools? We get sikhs turning up at schools in the UK wearing turbans without too many problems apart from the usual jibes from pupils ("why you got that bandage on your head?" etc.)

Maybe in france there is a higher degree of religious hatred so they can't tolerate each other like other places?

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^ really, ok I'll ask then. Fraudia, Faisal, american muslims et. al. what do you think of freedom of religion in the US? Is it a sham, or does it exist?
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Fraudi faisal are not the entire muslim population of america they are 2 individuals whose views are clearly known if you care to look at your current political situation you will see the harrassment and imprisonment of muslims has shot up 100% year on year based on no evidence at all that is not freedom in anyones book!

France is quite unique in its political makeup. It is sad to see this, and I dont understand why some seem to think that religious symbolism only includes crosses and hijabs, etc.

Re: French PM bans Hjab

jazakAllah khair for your post

from the news extract it is clear that there exists a clash of civilisations. Integrating into sucularist socieites would imply accepting the ban on hijab as one would have to accept separating religion from societal regulation.

Muslims recognise that divorcing Islam from societal life would mean leaving the rules of the shariyya that address the dress code for women in society, to leave the ahkam of economics, the ahkam of politics etcc…

surely the two ideologies cannot co exist…

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France is quite unique in its political makeup. It is sad to see this, and I dont understand why some seem to think that religious symbolism only includes crosses and hijabs, etc.
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what is the dress code in schools of islamic countries ?

Salaams to the muslims and Hi to the non-muslims

hiccup

I thought in a free society individuals had a choice on how to dress? So why then do the french govt ban the hijab and allow the mini skirt ? Also is not America and britain also based upon secualrism and they allow the hijab ? So are the french saying that in a secular society you cannot follow your religion akin to communist societies? Also millions of people in france worship and follow a religion called footbal, why then is this not banned, if they want to ban all religiouse symbols? What is the problem they have with religion?

Stu

Religious freedom does not make America great, its colonising and exploiting the resources of the world which makes America great economically. Also you are deluding yourself if you think that Islam can influence America via the democratic process, remembe rthe elections in Algeria where the Islamic party was set to win, the army backed by the west did a military coup, to safeguard democracy.

PyariCgudia

Many man made western concepts like secularism, democracy and freedom are contradictory coz they are made up by human beings who are imperfect.