Freedom in Pakistan And the Muslim World

The Freedom House rankings.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/ratings/index.htm

Most of the rankings are what you’d expect. Chechnya and Palestine are ranked as “Not Free”. Hardly news.

Pakistan is also “Not Free”. Ok, but then comes the real kick in the guts. Kashmir in India, has a greater freedom ranking than all of Pakistan!

Yes, these things can be dismissed, covered up, rejected as Kafir nonsense and an imposition of cultural supremacy by the West.

But underneath it all, we all know, even those who refuse to admit it and respond with abuse, denials and the “all is well” cry, that there is something seriously wrong here.

This is not surprising considering that all of Northern Areas of Kashmir have no political rights. And in "Azad" Kashmir, you can only stand for elections if you agree to Pakistani rule.

I guess the fact that there are nearly 300,000 troops makes an area really free. How do they rank Tibet? Pretty free as well eh?

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*Originally posted by Sir Galahad: *
I guess the fact that there are nearly 300,000 troops makes an area really free. How do they rank Tibet? Pretty free as well eh?
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Tibet doesn't even appear in the table.

Yes it does. It appears in the same list as Kashmir.

Right, sorry missed that one:

Indpendent countries:
http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2005/table2005.pdf

Disputed territorie:
http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2005/terr2005.pdf

How can a country that has laws like the Blasphemyand Hudood ordinance, where feudalism still runs rampant, and democracy doesnt even have chance of existing ever even come close to even being remotely "free?"

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How can a country that has laws like the Blasphemyand Hudood ordinance, where feudalism still runs rampant, and democracy doesnt even have chance of existing ever even come close to even being remotely "free?"
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I don't think that anyone is really going to argue with you.

Pakistan not in US body’s list of free democracies

http://www.dawn.com/2004/12/28/top5.htmBy Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Dec 27: Pakistan is not among the countries that grant political rights and civil liberties to their citizens, says a report released this week by a Washington-based human rights organization, the Freedom House.

Instead, the 2005 Freedom in the World Report, an annual comparative assessment of the state of political rights and civil liberties in 192 countries, lists Pakistan in the ‘Not Free’ category.

With data as fresh as of Nov 30, 2004, Pakistan has been placed in category 6 for political rights and 5 for civil liberties, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 as the best.

In 1994 and 1995, Pakistan was listed as a ‘partly free’ country with a rating of 3 for political rights and 5 for civil liberties. In 1996-97, the ratings fell to 4 and 5 and the worst was recorded in 1999 when for political rights Pakistan got a 7 ranking.

Of the 49 countries rated ‘Not Free’, 19 received the worst possible numerical rating (7) for political rights. The broadest restrictions on political activity take place in Belarus, Burma, Cuba, China, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iraq, Laos, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Swaziland, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and Zimbabwe.

Azad Kashmir also received the lowest political rights rating besides Chechnya (Russia), Tibet (China) and Western Sahara (Morocco). The Indian occupied Kashmir was placed among ‘partly free’ territories and given grade 5 both for political rights and civil liberties. Both parts of Kashmir, however, are listed among disputed territories.

The broadest violations of civil liberties - including freedom of speech, rule of law, and personal autonomy - take place in nine countries: Burma, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Turkmenistan. Chechnya and Tibet, although listed as disputed territories, are also included in this category.

A total of eight countries - Burma, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and Turkmenistan - receive the lowest possible scores for both political rights and civil liberties, making them the most repressive regimes in the world. Chechnya and Tibet also fall into this category.

Pakistan has been named in the list which also includes Afghanistan, Angola, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bhutan, Brunei, Cambodia, Central African Republic, Chad, Egypt, Guinea, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, the Maldives, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Tajikistan, Togo and Tunisia.

Pakistan has not even been included in the list of 117 ‘electoral democracies’ in which besides India and Bangladesh, Mongolia, Nigeria, Belize, Benin and even Albania and Kiribati have been named.

Freedom House, founded over 60 years ago by Eleanor Roosevelt, describes itself as “a clear voice for democracy and freedom around the world” and works to promote democratic values across the world.

Last year, the Freedom House had severely criticized the Pakistan government for consolidating its hold on power through a dubious referendum that extended Gen Pervez Musharraf’s term as president, as well as a series of constitutional amendments that cemented the future role of the military in governance.


Citizens in Jammu and Kashmir enjoy more freedom than thpse in Pakistan-occupied-Kashimir, an organisation rating “freedom” around the world has said.

In a chart titled ‘Freedom in the World 2005’, the American organisation ‘Freedom House’ put Pak-occupied-Kashmir under the “not free” category and also drew a bleak picture of human rights in Pakistan. Jammu and Kashmir was rated in a higher category.

“Having consolidated his hold on power through a dubious referendum that extended his term as President as well as a series of constitutional amendments that cemented the future role of the military in governance, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf held flawed elections in October 2002 and that despite the return to nominal civilian rule, the military continued to wield control over Pakistan’s government,” it said.

“While successfully managing to curtail the activities of the political opposition, Musharraf has been less willing to rein in Islamic fundamentalist groups”, Freedom House said.

The report claimed that Musharraf’s primary aim since gaining power has been to ensure a dominant role for the military after Pakistan made the nominal transition back to democratic rule.

On Pakistan the report said the constitution and other laws authorized the government to curb freedom of speech on subjects including the constitution,the armed forces, the judiciary and religion. Blasphemy laws have also been used to suppress the media, it added.

if we accept this human rights group's words, why is it that we choose to reject other Human rights groups words :)

The selective acceptance is rather amusing.

Re: Freedom in Pakistan And the Muslim World

Right… Sure, we have all seen the great system of freedom inplemented in Afghanistan and Iraq by the US, thanks but no thanks… I am as free in Pakistan as Mr Ben is in his little costume shop in London…

Afterall i would rather sip cold coffee on a nice sunny day here in Pakistan, then live under a false ilusion of being democratically free and having my human rights as a Imigrant in the US or anywhere else… I put it to you, Do the muslims locked up in belmarsh prision UK not have HUMAN RIGHTS? Do the people hurrled in Guantanomo Bay not have HUMAN RIGHTS? Let me say somthing my Law Professor once told me, Laws are peices of paper, it is upto the executive to asses, the legislature to pass them, the judicary to apply them, it is upto society to heed and accept them , and the agencies to enforce them.

No one Nation has the right to impose its beliefe on another, for that is aginst the soveriginty of that state, Aftrall what is deemed as Legislative supremacy of the law as far as International law is concerned ??

These Human beings have had thier HUMAN RIGHTS and DIGINTY snatched away from them and locked up without trial for an unlimited period of time… Some are Citizens of These Supposed rightious preachers of democracry, freternity and greatness…

http://www.cacc.org.uk/belmarsh.htm

Terror laws ‘violate democracy’
Government powers to detain foreigners indefinitely under anti-terror laws violate international law and threaten the very laws they were designed to protect, a QC representing seven detainees told a special panel of nine law lords yesterday. Convened for only the second time since the first world war, the nine-judge panel is hearing one of the most important human rights cases to come before Britain’s highest court, the House of Lords.
Guardian, 5 October 2004

Psychosis and despair afflict terror detainees
Detainees held at Belmarsh high security prison without charge or trial have become seriously clinically depressed, and are suffering from anxiety, with a number becoming psychotic as a result of their indefinite detention, a report by some of the countries top psychiatrists concludes. The report has been compiled by psychiatrists including Professor Ian Robbins at St George’s Hospital in London and Dr James McKeith of the South London and Maudsley NHS Trust.
Guardian

US accused over missing terror suspects
At least 11 Al-Qaeda prisoners have ‘vanished’ in US custody and may have been tortured, according to pressure group \Human Rights watch yesterday. The group said the suspects are probably being held outside the US without access to the Red Cross.
Metro, 13 October 2004

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Many people accuse Muslims of being backwards, here is an eye opener for all those chanters of Western Freedoms and Hospatality:
Muslim attacked by ‘racist thugs’
A student was fighting for his life last night after being assaulted by five men in what police said might have been a racist attack. A Scotland Yard spokesman said ‘one of the suspects was heard to say ”Do you want us to kick you out of our country?”
Metro, 19 October 2004

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Ex Guantanamo bay workers claim prisoner abuse was widespread
The abusive treatment of inmates at Guantanamo Bay was far more widespread than the Pentagon has admitted, according to a news report published yesterday.
Guardian, 18 October 2004

More people liberated under from the clutches of tyranny, from the Knights of democracy:
Blunkett rejects refugee agency’s call to halt forced return of Iraqis
David Blunkett, the Home Secretary is on a collision course with the United Nations refugee agency over his determination to restrict the number of Iraqis seeking asylum in Britain….. The UNHCR insists Iraq remains too dangerous to justify the forced return of asylum seekers wanting sanctuary in other countries.
Financial Times, 27 October 2004

Turning a Blind eye:
78 Thai Muslims suffocate in army trucks
Manit Sutaporn, a justice ministry official said the demonstrators died during the five hour journey to barracks in Pattani …. The global rise of Islamic extremism is thought by experts to have helped rekindle a decades old separatist struggle in southern Thailand
Financial Times, 27 October 2004

I guess the rightous few have to examine who are the right and who the wrong, for those who dont practice what they practice what they preech, these people be hypocrites, Jesus addressed hypocrites he called them…
1) Hypocrites (seven times) - Mt 23:13-15,23,25,27,29
2) Fools (twice) and blind guides (five times) - Mt 23:16-17,19,
24,26
3) Serpents, brood of vipers (once) - Mt 23:33

Re: Freedom in Pakistan And the Muslim World

About just as amusing as those that only read one page of a report by Human rights groups but develop blindness when actions by their heroes are described in detail. :slight_smile:

Re: Freedom in Pakistan And the Muslim World

About as dull as when certain individuals follow an arrogant path of misinterpreting the context
of a discussion or debate and using dry sarcasm to promote some sort of argument that neither
has a head or tail, hence exposing their flawed ideology and intent.

By the way, these people are not Pakistani, nor are they pro terrorisim or pro muslim, they are human beings who understand the suffering on these souls:

http://www.fairtrials.org.uk/

Quoting: We have never had a trial. We were found guilty without one. We are imprisoned indefinitely and probably forever. We have no idea why. We have not been told what the evidence is against us. We are here. Speak to us. Listen to us. Tell us what you think and why. The Forgotten Detainees, Belmarsh Prison

http://www.respectcoalition.org/index.php?ite=106&rlid=5

Socialist Worker 1882, 20 December 2003 (www.socialistworker.co.uk)
News

Belmarsh prison - New Labour’s own Guantanamo Bay
IN A damning report Amnesty International has accused the government of creating a “Guantanamo Bay in our own back yard”.

Home secretary David Blunkett threatened to resign his membership of Amnesty after it published its report, Justice Perverted Under the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001, last week.

Blunkett has got a nerve. Amnesty is a body dedicated to upholding international standards of justice. That is a far cry from what Blunkett is doing.

New Labour has created its own mini-version of the US internment camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

At Belmarsh maximum security prison in south east London 17 foreign nationals have been held under the powers Blunkett granted himself in the wake of 11 September 2001. Fourteen of them continue to be held. They have not been charged or appeared before a court. They are caged indefinitely on the “suspicion of the home secretary”.

Amnesty’s report last week found that the Home Office’s secret tribunal, which upheld the incarceration, admitted that it was prepared to rely on “evidence extracted under torture”.

The men held in Britain, some for two years, are suffering from mental breakdown. This is exactly what is happening in Guantanamo Bay. Yet Blunkett has been secretly undermining attempts to have British prisoners returned for an open trial in Britain rather than a secret US military tribunal.

The military court due to sit in Guantanamo is such an affront that even the US army lawyers appointed as the defence team have resigned. They do not believe their clients will receive a fair trial.

The Guardian’s James Meek spent months talking to former internees and US army insiders. He recently revealed the torture at Guantanamo Bay inflicted on hundreds of internees, some of them children.

One of the victims is British citizen Moazzam Begg, who was seized in Pakistan two years ago.

His father Azmat says, "We do not know what is happening to him in Guantanamo Bay. The authorities censor everything. Neither the family nor lawyers are allowed any contact. And despite what the British government claims, we now know they have been working to keep him there rather than bringing him here.

“Mr Blair has no right to go around the world pretending to be a champion of human rights. He should resign.”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/print_article.php4?article_id=603

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O’ Yee who judge others, judge us not for thy too shall be judged:

In 2001, without support from the majority of member countries, the United States was voted out of the United Nations Human Rights Commission and the International Narcotics Committee. This shows, from one aspect, that it is extremely unpopular for the United States to push double standards and unilateralism on such issues as human rights, crackdowns on drug trafficking, arms control and environmental protection. We urge the United States to change its ways, give up its hegemonic practice of creating confrontation and interfering in the internal affairs of others by exploiting the human rights issue, go with the tide of the times characterized by cooperation and dialogue in the area of human rights, and do more useful things for the progress and development of the human society.

For many years, the US government has year after year published reports on human rights conditions in other countries in disregard of the opposition of many countries in the world, cooking up charges, twisting facts and censoring all countries except itself. It also publishes a report every year to make a so-called appraisal of anti-drug trafficking campaigns of 24 countries including all Latin American countries. The United States deals with any country it deems “inefficient in cracking down on drug trafficking” with condemnation, sanctions, interference in the latter’s internal affairs, or outright invasion.

The Third UN Conference Against Racism held in Durban of South African in September 2001 was an important gathering in the area of international human rights at the beginning of the new century. It attracted representatives from more than 190 countries, which reflected the burning desire of the international community to eliminate hatred accumulated over time and eradicate the remnants of racism through dialogue and cooperation. The United States, however, turned a deaf ear to the voices of the international community. Ignoring its international obligations, it asserted openly to boycott the conference before it was opened. Although the United States sent a low-level delegation to the conference as a result of prompting and persuasion by the United Nations, it took the lead in opposing discussing slave trade and colonial compensation, expressed opposition to putting Zionism on a par with racism, and walked out of the conference midway. Behaviors of the United States at the conference revealed its hypocrisy when it professes itself as “a world judge of human rights” and show how arrogant and isolated the hegemonic acts of the US government are.

The United States has announced its withdrawal from the Kyoto Protocol, refusing to bear the responsibilities of improving the environment for human survival and bringing about negative impacts on environmental protection efforts in the world.

The US government has until this day refused to sign the Basel Convention, which restricts the transfer of waste materials. It often transfers dangerous waste materials by different methods to developing countries, damaging the health of the people of other countries. The Associated Press reported on February 25, 2002 that, according to an estimate by environmental protection organizations, as much as 50 percent to 80 percent of the electronic wastes collected by the United States in the name of recycling have been shipped to a number of countries in Asia for waste treatment, causing serious environmental and health problems to the local people.

Treatment of Children:
The United States has also conducted irradiation experiments with the dead bodies of babies from overseas. The Daily Telegraph and the Observer of the United Kingdom disclosed in June of 2001 that the United States has recently declassified some top-secret documents, which indicate that in the 1950s the United States carried out what was called “Project Sunshine” experiments. For these experiments, about 6,000 dead babies were obtained from overseas and cremated without permission of their parents. The ashes were sent to laboratories for irradiation studies.

Freedom of the Press:
The United States always flaunts the banner of “freedom of the press”. Yet according to an Agence France-Presse report on February 21, 2002, the annual report of International Journalism Institute published on the same day pointed out that the way in which the US government dealt with the media during the Afghan War and its attempt at suppressing freedom of speech by independent media were “the most amazing in 2001.”

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Sensible Military Operator:
Available data indicate that in the Gulf War the United States dropped more than 940,000 depleted uranium bombs with a total weight of 320 tons onto Iraqi land, causing serious destruction to the environment of Iraq and the health of its people. The Ministry of Health of Iraq pointed out in a report that the number of cancer patients in Iraq increased dramatically after the Gulf War, from 6,555 in 1989 and 4,341 in 1991 to 10,931 in 1997. In the ten years since the end of the Gulf War, the incidence rate of leukemia, malicious tumors and other difficult and complicated cases in areas hit by depleted uranium bombs in southern Iraq was 3.6 times higher than the national average and the proportion of women with miscarriage was ten times as high as in the past. On February 22, 2002, Emad Sa’doon, a medical expert with Basra University in southern Iraq, disclosed to the media that after many years of research the medical group led by him found that in the 1989-1999 period, the number of patients with blood cancer doubled and the number of women with breast cancer increased 102 percent.
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World Leader and Peace Maker:
The United States ranks first in the world in wantonly infringing upon the sovereignty of, and human rights in, other countries. Since the 1990s, the United States has used force overseas on more than 40 occasions. On April 1, 2001, a US military reconnaissance plane flew above waters off China’s coast in violation of flight rules, causing the crash of a Chinese aircraft and the death of its pilot. It presumptuously entered China’s territorial airspace without permission from the Chinese side and landed on a Chinese military airfield, seriously encroaching upon China’s sovereignty and human rights. After the incident, the United States made all sorts of excuses to defend itself, refusing to make a public apology for the serious consequences of its intruding aircraft and trying to shirk its responsibilities. This aroused great indignation and strong protests from the Chinese people.

The United States has built many military bases all over the world, where it has stationed hundreds of thousands of troops, violating human rights everywhere in the world. Before the September 11 incident, the United States had stationed its troops in more than 140 countries. Today, the United States has expanded its so-called security interests to almost every corner of the world. In recent years, US troops stationed in Japan have frequently committed crimes. In 1995, three American soldiers raped a Japanese schoolgirl in Okinawa, sparking massive protests by the Japanese people and arousing the alert of world public opinion. In fact, scandals like this happen almost every year. On January 11, 2001, an American soldier was arrested for molesting a local schoolgirl in Okinawa. On January 19, the Okinawa parliament adopted a resolution of protest against frequent criminal activities by American soldiers, calling for reduction of US troops in Japan. However, in an e-mail message to his subordinates, the US commander in Okinawa insulted the Okinawa magistrate and parliament. On June 29, another soldier of the US air force sexually assaulted a Japanese girl in Kyatan of Okinawa.

Full Article :
http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/zfbps/t36544.htm

Re: Freedom in Pakistan And the Muslim World

applies to everyone- did i touch a nerve?

Its interesting to see people start giving excuses when their own group is being critiqued but start jumping up and down when the "other side" is under the magnifying glass.

My point is not to disregard this human rights report, but to say that if one is willing to accept such reports, lets not be political about it and accept those that agree with one's agenda.

if you were referring to me, I have no heroes :) thus I am not concerned about developing blindness when their actions are described in detail, whether it is idiots in India, Pakistan or burkina faso.

sorry I do have heroes, but then X-men and Avengers are fictional. :)