Panjabi language 
aap french bol letiN, mujhe samajh aa jaati .. but Punjabi :no:
Re: Free Will
This is really a non-starter. Scientists are so caught up in definition that they forget the reality of what is being discussed.
Firstly, subconscious activity such as heart beat and peristalsis, etc what control do we have over that? These are not conscious actions at all. Breathing is maintained by what seems the body on it's own. Of course we know that Allah (SWT) is The Sustainer.
However, if it is true that conscious choice becomes manifesting before we are conscious of it, then this is still absolutely accurate, but I would like to mention one small detail. Islam places consciousness in the heart region so it may be that scientists are looking in the wrong place.
As for activity before choice ... this is Qadr. Where the path is drawn before us and we make the choice, but even the making of the choice needs to be facilitated, so all the necessary brain activity required to make the choice is set into motion then we make the choice and at some point when we realise that we have made the choice but seeming pretty much convinced we done so with no help. Of course that is not true.
By the way this belongs in Philosophy
Okay then
Si voplais plais royal
bus now my french mooking too(khatum)…btw isnt nikky punjabi.and you cant understand her:smack:
Doosri wali french to nahi khani…the one that goes with the saying"pardon my french"
You think if it was in Philosophy, ASK99 would entertain us with her booger picking and her French
When it comes to "pardon my french’ wali french, nothing can beat panjabi
When did I say that I understood Niki 
non … mon frere … je suis desolais
non ... mon frere ... je suis desolais
and please add an order of "french" fries to it:D.
Re: Free Will
he was saying I am sorry and you want fries with that
Re: Free Will
What 
it does look like that you are determined to keep your brain in brand new condition though
Poonjabi…as the “europeans /English peeplan say it”
aik toh mereke joke ka satya naas kar diya:(
And yes I need to save me brain…lashak daar new…I paalish it too !!
Re: Free Will
Brain Paalishan 
did you see the video of that song ‘boot paalishan’
Re: Free Will
nahi I havent..I wil search for it on youtube:D
No.. my point is simple… there is nothing that can happen without the permission of Allah… but what we do with the permission of Allah is due to our own Free Will… Having said that whether Allah wants that to happen or not is a totally different subject of understanding… Thing is whether we made every possible effort to make that thing happen or not is what we are accountable for… although intention for good deed counts towards 10 times rewards before even it is executed…
most of what you actually do is unconscious. that ofcourse doesnt mean that a lot of our important actions arent conscious ones.
there is also the issue of attention.. human beings have the capacity to be processing things in (to use a computer metaphor) low priority threads.. while being focused on a limited set of things. A classic example is the cocktail party example, where you are engaged in a conversation with one person while hundreds of other conversations are also entering your ears but you dont have to consciously isolate them (unless they’re very loud). however when someone takes your name, immediately you become aware of it.
I disagree with this, and it is absolutely contradictory to established scientific fact. Heart transplants are pretty normal, furthermore animal transplantation and artificial hearts are coming along with people living for upto a year with completely artificial hearts during which time they are conscious.
Unless your suggestion is that consciousness can be materially generated, or that a dead person’s consciousness can be put into another person.
Re: Free Will
just pains me that such false convictions persist psyah even when demonstrated to be unsupportable.
just pains me that such false convictions persist psyah even when demonstrated to be unsupportable.
Peace ravage
Where is that pain exactly? Can you place it? What I meant to say was that different people will locate the consciousness to emanate from different places, scientists think they can find the place responsibile for it. We are only looking at a reaction when we observe we do not see the root cause even when we see what seems like the root cause.
I have not said the consciousness comes from the heart in the physical sense, but I do reject the idea that consciousness comes from the brain.
Consciousness has two definitions and they are not mutually interchangeable. The awareness of self and the centre of self is different to the place that controls the body on thought analysis. I don't think science has demonstrated any such thing. I wonder what pig-hearted people think or how they feel God. Not that it should make any difference, but I wonder.
a brilliant lecture series by Professor Daniel Robinson on consciousness ended with the idea that we may never be able to understand consciousness completely, just as the last thing fish may understand is water.
while consciousness remains an unsolved, unlocalized entity in the human constitution, it is almost certainly not related in a sense of direct origin to any other organ.
you ask what pig-hearted people ( i am not sure any exist, but lets say machine hearted people ) think. There is no more basis for saying anything about what they think, or even ‘that’ they think, than there is for what you think, or ‘that’ you think.
Other organs, when damaged, do not induce an altered sense of consciousness (unless indirectly by altering the brain chemistry). Damage the brain, you change the sense of consciousness, even sense of morality
this is not to say that the issue of brain transplantation doesnt exist. it may be possible one day to replace certain functionalities of the brain (say memory) with computer chips. at what point does this thing cease to be human? who knows?