Fraud fears overshadow Pakistan polls

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And you don't think these things are happening with his approval?

The grand strategy of rigging has Mush's 100% support/involvement

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More reports on rigging in elections…

Pakistan elections ‘rigged for Musharraf’s allies’

By Isambard Wilkinson in Jacobabad

Last Updated: 2:47am GMT 15/02/2008

Pakistan’s intelligence agencies have rigged next week’s election in favour of President Pervez Musharraf’s political allies, according to a retired senior intelligence official.

The former official told The Daily Telegraph that intelligence agencies have targeted key rural constituencies, whey he alleged that electoral rolls have been fixed, ballot-boxes “pre-stuffed” and compliant returning and presiding officers drafted to polling stations.

Monday’s parliamentary polls will determine the political future of Mr Musharraf, a key ally in the US-led war on terror, and the ruling party, the Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q).

Mr Musharraf, who sacked the judiciary to pave the way for his re-election as president two months ago, is not contesting the elections. But if his political allies fail to secure a win he could face impeachment by a hostile parliament.
The retired intelligence official alleged that the country’s powerful military intelligence agencies have focused on rigging marginal seats in the Punjab province to enable the PML-Q control the next parliament.

**“Nothing is needed on the day. It is all pre-planned,” he said. **

“The ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate] has directed and advised the PML-Q which seats need to be targeted and assisted them in achieving favourable results.”

**He cited various methods of rigging elections including intimidating local politicians to transfer their vote banks and confiscating villagers’ identity cards that will then be used in postal ballots. **

The Punjab is the most politically pivotal of Pakistan’s four provinces.
It sends 183 MPs to the 342-seat national assembly and is home to the PML-Q’s ruling clan.

However the retired intelligence official said that despite the manipulation of election results Mr Musharraf’s party will struggle to gain control of parliament.

“Rigging will not be enough,” he said.

“If it is overdone people will come into the streets.”

The third opinion poll in a week showed Mr Musharraf’s popularity plummeting, with the majority of respondents saying he was an obstacle to stability.

A survey released this week by the US government-funded International Republican Institute said half the Pakistanis polled planned to vote for the party of the assassinated opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, 22 per cent backed the former prime minister Nawaz Sharif’s party and only 14 per cent favoured the PML-Q.

The 1970 election was the first and only one regarded as fair in a country where intelligence agencies fiddle elections and generals have justified successive coups.

At a local level in Jacobabad in Sindh province, opponents of the PML-Q candidate, Fahd Malik, who is the nephew of the caretaker prime minister, Mian Mohammedan Soomro, claimed rigging tactics were underway.

Illahi Bux Soomro, a candidate for Mr Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N), has lodged complaints with the election commission claiming that 1,000 identity cards have been taken from prisoners in the local jail to be used to rig the postal ballot.

He also claimed that a returning officer had been advised to take “sick leave” and a police superintendent had been replaced after refusing to comply with government plans to rig elections.
Mr Sharif’s party said it would hand a dossier on the irregularities to Robert Evans, the London MEP who is leading a team of election monitors from the European Union.

Earlier this week the EU expressed concern about the elections, urging authorities to improve arrangements and free political detainees.

Mr Sharif’s party said it would hand a dossier on the irregularities to Robert Evans, the London MEP who is leading a team of election monitors from the European Union.

Earlier this week the EU expressed concern about the elections, urging authorities to improve arrangements and free political detainees.
Mr Malik denied the allegations, saying that the superintendent had been transferred as he “had not been able to maintain law and order”.

Mr Musharraf has sought to quash poll-rigging reports.

"Despite all rumours, insinuations and every type of apprehension, these elections will be free, fair, transparent and peaceful,‘’ he said, after claiming the vote will be “the mother of all elections”.

He added: “It is not possible to stop some sort of problems at the tactical level on the question of rigging, but we have taken all measures to make it rigging-free.”

The assassination of Miss Bhutto in December sparked a wave of anti-government violence and her widower, Asif Ali Zardari, warned that there could be more protests if the elections are rigged.

Mr Musharraf’s chances of political survival are staked on the PML-Q’s ability to strike a power-sharing deal with Mr Zardari, who held his first election rally yesterday amid fears of a terrorist attack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/14/wpakistan114.xml


**Mass Rigging Charged Ahead of Pakistan Vote **

Posted Feb 15, 08 5:31 AM CST in World

**Pakistan’s postponed parliamentary elections will finally take place on Monday, but allegations are flying that Pervez Musharraf’s party has already rigged the vote. Pakistan’s intelligence agencies have “pre-stuffed” ballot boxes, confiscated voter ID cards, and appointed party apparatchiks in key rural constituencies, a retired senior intelligence officer told the ***Telegraph. *Musharraf 's party is a clear underdog in the election. • An American-conducted survey suggested that about 50% of citizens would support the Pakistan People’s Party, led by Benazir Bhutto’s widower, Asif Ali Zardari—with 22% backing Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League and only 14% favoring Musharraf’s party. Despite the president’s denial of vote fraud, the US State Department has said it expects rigging in Monday’s poll and is worried about the prospect of post-election violence.

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^ These reports of massive pre-poll rigging by ISI and MI (military intelligence) are unfortunately in keeping with the past track record of our intelligence services who have rigged every election to date.

Beleaguered Musharraf it seems has gone to all lengths to rig the elections in response to a recent American-conducted survey suggesting that only about 14% of citizens supported his lota party. The next few days will tell whether he has infact overdone it in a desperate attempt to maintain his grip on power.

It is better to stay at home and ditch these sham and fraudulent elections....no need to waste your vote and energy.

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^^ I am saddened to see the attitude of people from even the 'educated' sections of our population. Pakistanis have always fallen an easy prey to unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories, and the educated amongst us can try to behave responsibly and not fuel unsubstantiated rumors and pass "fears of rigging" as "reports of rigging."

How have people observed the "pre-stuffed" ballot boxes even before the election day. This was a rigging method in previous elections, but with the advent of "transparent" plastic ballot boxes, it's not even possible in this election to 'pre-stuff' the ballot boxes.

I am really saddened to see how you (Asif in this case) are suggesting that it's better to sit at home (and later voice our opinions thorugh violence and protests i presume?) than to participate strongly in the elections to nullify and negate any (alleged) rigging.

I can understand anti-Musharraf sentiment, but I cannot understand the pessimistic and discouraging tactics of many people on this board. The local media have amplified fears of rigging, which was then caught and reported by foreign media, and then re-reported by local media, creating not only an echo chamber but also introducing a false credibility to these allegations: Jang said that Aaj said that Geo said that CNN said that a survey company said that my uncle knew a guy in ISI who said there was massive rigging being done! Shameful!

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Brother, don't you see something funny along with ignorance amongst many 'Messengers of Doom'? :)

On one hand they would say that Musharraf is playing on American tune. Then according to their own admittance they say that USA expect PML(Q) to lose but Musharraf would rig the election and would make PML(Q) win the election.

Funny, isn't it? If Musharraf is playing on the tune of USA as these 'Messengers of Doom' claim, than what USA predicting, Musharraf should make that happen too ... that is logical but the way these 'Messengers of Doom'' talk about, they only talk BS, what you think? :).

Well, what is truth and logical? Truth is that, USA (especially their Jew lobby) do not like all progress going on in Pakistan at present. They know that pro-Musharraf parties would win, so they want change in Pakistan through agitation. They are doing that in two ways.

One is by spreading lies using fabricated and concocted polls and propaganda through their various Political agents in Pakistan plus 'Messengers of Doom'.

Second is by using their Political Jew agents to boycott the election to make what is obvious, that is Pro-Musharraf parties to win, into controversial, as pro-Musharraf parties would win regardless of boycott or not, but by boycotting the election, they want to create controversy and than they would try agitation in Pakistan.

[We Pakistanis should know who these political Jew agents are in Pakistan].

Funny thing is that, people who are supporting pro-Musharraf parties want those in opposition to contest election so that they can win few seats too, else it is nice that they boycott. In Zia time PPP boycotted the election and thus those who contested benefitted. In 1993 MQM boycotted Karachi election and those who contested benefitted. If these parasites boycott election, it is obvious that pro-Musharraf parties would benefit, so its best that they boycott, but it is confidence of pro-Musharrraf party at the back of work they did, that they want these 'Agents of Jews' to not boycott election :).

Even though we should know that these 'Agents of Jews' and 'pro-Jews lobby' used lot of money in this Pakistani election and created 'Messengers of Doom' to spread propaganda and lies, so that Pakistan go into turmoil and they can use that as reason to start agitation in Pakistan to destabilise and harm Pakistan, but unfortunately many Pakistanis are playing in their hands and probably unintentionally joined to become 'Messengers of Doom' for them against Pakistan.

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Unfortunately, the above statement shows that some of these people are confused. They are caught between the fact that these are the second general elections that are taking place under a so-called dictatorship, in which all Major Political Parties are taking part. Yet some of these people want to somehow say that this democratic process will be flawed. The only way they can do that is to spread rumours that the elections will be rigged, and ballot boxes are pre-stuffed.

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Absolutely ... and we should know whose tune these 'Messengers of Doom' are dancing, intentionally or unintentionally, and what they want :)

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Only thing I can say is that, I am hopeful that these 'Messengers of Doom' would not succeed in their design against Pakistan, and for that I trust Allah that he would not let them succeed.

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Just quoting it.... will come back to read it :p

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All those baseless claims have been proved wrong. Now those rigging conspiracy theorists should wait for another 5 years for ISI and other claims.

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Some people took me the wrong way and I was n't really bashing Musharraf just for the sake of it. Though I had my doubts about the fairness and independence of these elections (given Musharraf's antics since March 2007 and our long tainted election history), I must say that I have been pleasantly surprised by the election results thus far. Those allegations of pre-poll rigging by ISI and MI it seems were completely misfounded and baseless and nothing but sham propaganda by the Western media. Whatever our political loyalties and affiliations one must give Musharraf credit here for delivering on his promise of holding free and fair elections.

Sir Dig disregard my above post...

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^ :k:

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Hahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahah:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::jhanda:

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I hope all these people come back and tell us how these elections were rigged. Mashallah ISI has done a tremendous job, Shujaat Hussain will surely become PM now, i mean it was never in doubt :D

Shame on dictator for massive rigging.

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So do pro-Musharraf people agree that Mushy’s regime has been defeated and that the elections were fair enough and people opted to oust his people? :aq: