Former PM Aziz dismisses PML-Q Lotas as a political force

The happy season of blaming eachother continues.

Now even the former PM is criticising his own lota party a.k.a. PML-Q

  • says Nawaz and Zardari only together because of their opposition to Mush
  • predicts power struggle and fresh elections after Mush is gone in which Nawaz will prevail
  • claims he and General Hamid Javed had warned Musharraf that CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry would not take his dismissal lying down.
  • blames the current deteriorating macro-economic situation on interim Govt.
  • US admin. wary of Zardari and Nawaz
  • calls his ex-colleague Wasi Zafar worthless
  • refers to PML-Q as a bunch of opportunists,
  • says Gen. Qayyum (ex-chairman Pakistan Steel Mills) and Gen. Gulzar Kiyani (ex- chairman Federal Public Service Commission) levelling allegations against him because he refused to be bullied by them
  • dissociates himself from Lal Masjid fiasco calling it a military operation!..How convenient

http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/05/top4.htm](http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/05/top4.htm)

LONDON, June 4: Nawaz Sharif will soon pull the plug on Asif Ali Zardari and force a fresh election which he will sweep, paving the way for a two-party system to emerge with the PML-N in the government and the PPP in the opposition, predicted former prime minister Shaukat Aziz, sounding more like an ordinary bystander to the current goings on in Pakistan rather than one who only a few months back had served as a military dictator’s ‘democratic’ face.

In any case, he said while talking to Dawn on a range of subjects that President Pervez Musharraf was the glue that was keeping Sharif and Zardari together and “as soon as the fastener comes off loose, the two will go their separate ways”.

He looked visibly disappointed when told that he had got it all wrong as according to sources close to the two parties, Zardari and Sharif were sticking together because they did not want to face another elections so soon with all the major players opposed to them still in power.

He did not agree with the suggestion that the two parties would bend over backwards to complete the tenure and use the time first to get power transferred from the presidency to parliament and then to strengthen the constitution.

He implied that the two governments, the federal and the Punjab, have started indulging in what the two parties used to do by way of financial shenanigans when they were taking turns in Islamabad in the decade of 1990s.

He also implied with innuendoes that during his recent visits to the US he had found the administration there to be wary of both Asif and Nawaz and that the stock of Musharraf and the new COAS, General Kayani, very high, “especially that of General Kayani.”

Mr Aziz described the post-election Pakistan as a rudderless ship which he said needed a firm hand to steer it clear of troubled waters.

He blamed the interim government of Mohammedmian Soomro for most of the economic problems that the elected government was facing today.

When asked how could the new government cope with the high world fuel and food prices, he had no ready answers.

As usual he took callous credit for the power shortages, claiming that the shortages reflected the ‘economic boom’ that he as the finance minister had brought about.

When asked for his response to former law minister Wasi Zafar’s claim that he was not taken into confidence about the reference against the chief justice, Mr Aziz dismissed his former cabinet colleague as someone not worth wasting his breath on. He, however, claimed that it was he and General Hamid Javed who had warned Musharraf that CJ Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry would not take his dismissal lying down.

When reminded about Musharraf’s claim that he had only forwarded the reference sent to him by the prime minister, Mr Aziz sidestepped the question but said rather meaningfully that the president was known for standing by his friends.

Giving a self-serving spin to the allegations levelled against him by General Qayyum of the Pakistan Steel Mills and General Jamshed Kyani of the Federal Public Service Commission, Mr Aziz said he had put these two generals, who were trying to browbeat him with their army connections, in their place.

According to him, General Qayyum wanted the PM to allow him to open the L/C for taking in hand the expansion process of the Pakistan Steel Mills. “You know what that means,” he said, alleging corruption on the part of the former Pakistan Steel Mills chairman without actually levelling the charge in so many words.

“We had already decided to privatise the mills so there was no logic in starting the process of expansion before privatisation,” he said reinforcing his argument.

He said the Federal Public Service Commission was only a recommending agency and the prime minister was not constitutionally obliged to accept all its recommendations.

He disassociated himself from the Lal Masjid bloodbath saying: “It was completely a military operation.”

He agreed that the PML-Q was not a political party but a group of opportunists and said that he had to be on guard all the time because his own party was out to pull the rug from under his feet at the slightest of excuse, “and there were as many as 12 potential prime ministers all jostling all the time to push me over” :slight_smile:

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... and mush was depended on these to defend him against...

if only Mush had done following:

1) Punished all the corrupt politicians by taking away all the wealth they had ( in this case it would be majority of PML (Q)

2) He had succesfully thrown the two main parties out of country, he could have worked on the upbringing of new sincere and somwhat honest leadership

3) could have made judiciary stronger

and by doing above, he might have been called 2nd best thing happend to the country after Quaid-e-Azam...

But he failed, and the reason to fail was his very own lust of power and wealth... this lust have forced him to depend on the cheap politicians and personalities like Choudaries of Gujrat and Short-cut aziz....

Though Shortcut Parachute is also another crook, heres what I think about what Asif summarized:

*** says Nawaz and Zardari only together because of their opposition to Mush**
Absolutely true, but lets just hope something good comes out of it, as they head the two biggest parties in the country

*** predicts power struggle and fresh elections after Mush is gone in which Nawaz will prevail**
That would only happen if Nawaz pulls out of the coalition, and is dependent on the former point Shortcut made

** * claims he and General Hamid Javed had warned Musharraf that CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry would not take his dismissal lying down.**
Shows how much power he had, and how his position was that of a puppet

** * blames the current deteriorating macro-economic situation on interim Govt.
Wait, I thought it was because of the PPP/PML[N] :hehe: There you have it,** even Shortcut’s not blaming the new Govt, and Shortcut’s never wrong right :hehe:

*** US admin. wary of Zardari and Nawaz**
Dont blame them, but they should be equally wary of the military leadership and the intelligence

** * calls his ex-colleague Wasi Zafar worthless**
Wholeheartedly agree, but its a little too late to complain

*** refers to PML-Q as a bunch of opportunists, **
I am glad he finally woke up and realized

** * says Gen. Qayyum (ex-chairman Pakistan Steel Mills) and Gen. Gulzar Kiyani (ex- chairman Federal Public Service Commission) levelling allegations against him because he refused to be bullied by them**
Sure sure, shortcuts the only saintly figure here

** * dissociates himself from Lal Masjid fiasco calling it a military operation!..How convenient**
So he had no control over the military, what was he getting paid for again?

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I wonder if the long post guardian of Musharraf will now claim Shortcut Aziz is on NS Payroll as well, just like everyone else in this world.

Before this thread turns into another Musharraf-bashing rally, I just want to say, that Aziz was a great PM, in my view. He is the one, who can actually get a job, based on his qualifications (unlike Zardari, Nawaz etc). sorry to disappoint you all, Spock pls take it away :).

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^ Yeah, fine mess he left us with, innit rob?

Can you elaborate on how he was a great PM especially given the fact that he doesn't want to take responsibility for anything that happened on his watch? For example, he said he had nothing to do with Lal Masjid (for the record I supported Lal Masjid operation), or CJ fiasco or the cheap credit driven hyper economic bubble that he created & people are paying very high price for it now.

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He's blaming his interim Govt (from the PMLq lotaz) for the economic mess the country is facing. Now how would an interim govt mess things up in a matter of weeks so bad The fact of the matter is, it was his mess to begin with. Then we have some blind supporters who would still have the nerve to call him the great PM because he was in Musharraf/MQM's good books.

He is suave, well-educated, eloquent ((fluent in English etc. unlike some of our ghaamar politicians (and I dare suggest a few generals as well) who can't even express themselves in urdu)) and probably a good economist but unfortunately his hands were tied....dore ka sira kissi aur k haath mein tha

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hang on guys, Aziz was not a PM , he was really a finance minister the job he is done was very well done. he was PM just to avoid confrontation in PML-Q 10 hopefulls as they never get agreed on one person so the boss came in said ok no one will be PM lets give Aziz a new title.

thats what happened. he is a good person and done well for the country, and it was blessing that he is not a politician. i think he never claimed to be one.

PML -q now just nothing more to say blaming him for every ill. which is not correct.

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Shaukat Aziz pretty much failed at everything, I mean the man claimed to his western buddies he could win over a woman in less than a minute, and yet failed with Condi Rice, and got a special mention in her biography :hehe: Mr. Shortcut Gigolo Parachute Aziz :slight_smile:

You actually believe such cheap stories? With Pakistanis like you, we very well deserve prime minsters like Gheelani, Nawaz etc.

Shaukat Aziz has led a successful private and public career that most people can only dream of.

That's what I've been saying from day one myself. Mush had to pick from a long list of idiots, and he picked the least dangerous to the country.

Are you saying that Musharraf’s masters in the white house write lies in their biographies? This isnt a cheap story, it was documented by her majesty Condi Rice herself.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/05/21/nat6.htm

When Aziz was ‘stared down’ by Rice

ISLAMABAD, May 20: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has been mentioned in rather uncharitable terms in US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s biography according to which when he tried to charm Dr Rice on her first trip to Pakistan in 2005, she “stared him down”.

The book titled: `Twice as Good: Condoleezza Rice and Her Path to Power’ by Newsweek Chief of Correspondents and Senior Editor Marcus Mabry has been recently launched in the United States.

Although the biography has been written by an independent journalist, the adjectives used for an incumbent prime minister appear to be unprecedented in their harshness.

Referring to Ms Rice’s first trip to South Asia in March 2005 during which she also visited Pakistan, the author writes: “Yet, when Rice sat down with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who fancied himself a ladies’ man, Aziz puffed himself up and held forth in what he obviously thought was his seductive baritone. (He bragged – to Western diplomats, no less – that he could conquer any woman in two minutes.)

** “(He tried) this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm: `Pakistan is a country of rich traditions,’ staring in (Rice’s) eyes,” a participant at the meeting recalled.**

** “There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down. By the end of the meeting, he was babbling.”**

** “The Pakistanis were shifting uncomfortably. And his voice visibly changed.”** Some of the foreign men, the American official said, “They don’t get it …She has a really strong will, and I think people sometimes ‘misunderestimate’ her.”

There are also references to President Gen Pervez Musharraf in the book and how Ms Rice on her first trip to the region had serious items on her agenda, including “Pakistan’s weak efforts to root out the Taliban and Al Qaeda”.

“Then there were perpetual Pakistan-India tensions with Pakistan being a nuclear power that faced its own radical Islamists, as well as having its own ‘freedom deficit’, General Pervez Musharraf having come to power in a coup before being elected in widely boycotted elections.”

The author also mentions that Ms Rice had telephoned President Musharraf to explain that Washington was signing a new nuclear pact with India.

“The deal with Delhi, like Washington’s limited moves to stop the killing in Darfur, was a profoundly realist accommodation to the world as it was (the reality of a nuclear India) rather than as it should be (the ideal of non-proliferation.),” notes the author.

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Referring to the 2005 visit of Rice to South Asia, the author writes: "Yet, when Rice sat down with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who fancies himself as ladies' man, Aziz puffed himself up and held forth in what he obviously thought was his seductive baritone (He bragged - to Western diplomats, no less - that he could conquer any woman in two minutes)."

"(He tried) this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm: 'Pakistan is a country of rich traditions,' staring in (Rice's) eyes," a participant at the meeting recalled. "There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down. By the end of the meeting, he was babbling," the author added.

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Shaukat was a good man who was corrupted by power. He allowed his minions to loot Pakistan's treasury and it was his favorite scam with Pakistan Steel Mills that caused Musharraf to take on CJ Iftikhar. Rest is history and the scamster goes back to vilayat.

another superificial claim, not supported by facts.
He was never ocrrupted.

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^
- Steel mill fiasco
- His own party members calling him corrupt
- His role in the CJ removal
- Personal property purchased at peanut prices (including that lavish farmhouse for subdideries)
- His former role with assisting money laundering
- Writing off massive loans for the Chaudhry brothers and co

Need I say more Rob?