Former Mushy supporters ask him to quit Army

The people in this “petition” include several former Ministers of Mush, people who supported him before he abandoned his reform agenda for the sake of the kursi.

Retired generals, politicians urge Musharraf to quit army

By Shahzad Malik

ISLAMABAD: **Retired generals, politicians and intellectuals have asked President General Pervez Musharraf to doff his uniform and disengage the military from politics to strengthen democracy in Pakistan. **

“Being a constitutional office, the office of the president is a political office. Combining the presidency with the office of chief of army staff politicises the latter as well as the army,” they said in a letter written to the president on July 8. They said democracy could only be authentic when there is “real separation” of powers and when all institutions abide by the role assigned them by the Constitution.

The letter was written by Lt-Gen (r) Abdul Qadir, Lt-Gen (r) Asad Durrani, former federal minister Javed Jabbar, Dr Hasan Askari Rizvi, Lt-Gen (r) Moinuddin Haider, Mujib-ur-Rehman Shami, SM Zafar, Sartaj Aziz, Brig (r) Shaukat Qadir, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Lt-Gen (r) Talat Masood, Lt-Gen (r) S Tanwir H Naqvi, Shafqat Mahmood, Shahid Hamid, Lt-Gen (r) Hameed Gul and others.

The letter has also been addressed to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and copies sent to former prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, as well as to the leaders of all political parties represented in parliament.
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They also called for the next general elections to be held under caretaker governments in the centre and provinces, and for the chief e commissioner to be given control of district administrations.**

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More former supporters expressing disillusionment.

Faraz returns govt award in protest
http://dawn.com/2006/text/nat8.htm

By Our Reporter

ISLAMABAD, July 22: Renowned Urdu poet Ahmed Faraz here on Saturday announced that he had returned the civil Hilal-i-Imtiaz award coffered on him by President Gen Pervez Musharraf in 2004 for his literary services.

“My conscious will not forgive me if I remained a silent spectator of the sad happenings around us. The least I can do is to let the dictatorship know where it stands in the eyes of the concerned citizens whose fundamental rights have been usurped. I am doing this by returning the Hilal-i-Imtiaz (civil) forthwith and refusing to associate myself in any way with the regime,” stated a statement issued by the poet.

Mr Faraz has also formally informed the cabinet division secretary about his decision, he said, he had to take after listening to last Thursday’s speech of President Gen Pervez Musharraf.

He said he had helplessly watched the happenings of Balochistan and Waziristan. He said his heart bled in pain and anguish, but he also retained a secret hope that things would soon improve and would not slip into the 1971-like situation.

“I was greatly disappointed when, in his address to the nation last Thursday, Gen Musharraf vowed to tread on the same path we followed in 1971 that led to the disintegration of the country,” he added.

Mr Faraz said he saw with his mind’s eye that instead of bringing honour the award had turned into a “stigma” for him because he had accepted it from “such a regime”.

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Anti-pakistani traitors, all of them. ISI should be sent in to beat them up.

The above might seem stupid, but that is exactly how some people in Pakistan think.

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Military rule should come to an end now, before Pakistan is destroyed...

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Besides the obvious politicians..the list is quite interesting:
Javed Jabbar: The man responsible for the Media liberalization process
Tanvir Naqvi: The General responsible for the Local government system
Moinuddin Haider: The General responsible for the police reforms.
Asad Durrani: General, ex ISI former ambassador to Saudi Arabia..closely involved with Mushys deal with Nawaz Sharif
Senator SM Zafar: PML Member and respected lawyer who negotiated the MMA-PML deal..he was key in convincing the MMA that Musharraf was a man of his word and would not stay in uniform.
Talat masud: Former Public Account Committee and along with NAB one of the most anti-corruption retired generals out there..

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Senator SM Zafar: PML Member and **respected* lawyer who negotiated the MMA-PML deal*

LOL

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I ask for mafee Spock..i meant legal wheeler dealer

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I’d have titled this article a “general rethink”

Generals urge Musharraf rethink
By Barbara Plett
BBC News, Islamabad

Gen Musharraf is facing one of his toughest times since seizing power

Pakistan’s beleaguered president General Pervez Musharraf has suffered another blow, this time on the domestic front.

He was already being criticised for his foreign policy - by the Americans for not doing enough to stop Taleban infiltration into Afghanistan across Pakistan’s border, and by India for harbouring Islamist militants allegedly involved in the recent Mumbai bombings.

Now a group of retired generals, sitting and former politicians and academics has urged him to end the military’s role in politics by separating the two offices of state he holds.

“The office of president of Pakistan is also a political office, and combining the presidency with the office of army chief of staff politicises the latter post as well as the army,” said a letter leaked to several local newspapers this week.

‘Conciliation’

It was addressed to the president, the prime minister and heads of political parties.

There is a deficit of trust and credibility that marks virtually all political relationships

Letter to President Musharraf

Musharraf’s ‘crisis on all fronts’

It called for a neutral caretaker government to ensure free and fair parliamentary elections due next year.

And it urged “conciliation rather than confrontation”, reflecting widespread concern that President Musharraf’s continuing exclusion of Pakistan’s main opposition parties may lead to violence.

“Despite the existence of elected legislatures and the prospects of the next elections, there is a deficit of trust and credibility that marks virtually all political relationships,” said the letter.

“Increasing polarisation reflects the dangerous forces of exclusion and dominance.”

There’s nothing new in the demands - they’ve been made repeatedly by commentators and opposition politicians.

What’s significant is who made them.

The group includes prominent figures in the Pakistani establishment, including retired intelligence chiefs and generals, some of whom are close to the president.

“One wonders why their conscience did not prick when they were in uniform,” noted a laconic editorial in the Dawn newspaper.

Another wit acidly observed that there are few so revolutionary as generals out of work.

‘Tired of Musharraf’

But signatories dismissed the cynicism. They said the letter was the result of months of discussions held by a working group on civil-military relations.

We were motivated by a fear that the status quo is untenable and may be dangerous

Retired Lt Gen Talood Masood

**When participants decided to draft the letter, it took six months to agree the text.

“The letter is significant in the sense that people from diverse backgrounds have come to a consensus,” says Dr Hasan Askari Rizvi, a political analyst and one of the signatories.

“It shows that a good number of generals have become tired of the Musharraf system.”

A retired lieutenant general, Talat Masood, agrees. “We were motivated by a fear that the status quo is untenable and may be dangerous,” he told the BBC.

"We think that the more you involve the army, the more polarisation will increase - between the military regime and civil society, and between the provinces and the central government.

“We had a strong view that this is not the way forward for the future of Pakistan.” **

Having released the letter, what comes next?

“We’re hoping that the debate can continue,” said Mr Masood. “And rather than confrontation, the government can find some flexibility to accommodate the opposition.”

Rising discontent

But confrontation is what seems to be looming.

Ahead of next year’s elections the two main opposition parties have agreed on a so-called charter of democracy committed to getting the military out of politics.

And Pakistan’s powerful Islamist parties are talking about a rolling campaign of street protests to oust the president.

Karachi has seen violent protests over power cuts

There is also rising popular discontent over soaring prices of essential commodities and endless power cuts in what has been a particularly hot summer.

That is what makes the letter important.

It’s another sign that the order set in place seven years ago by Gen Musharraf’s coup may be coming to a close, or at the very least, that more and more people want it to.

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These letters in Dawn by Javed Jabbar and Brig (r) A R Siddiqi are interesting followups;

http://dawn.com/2006/07/27/letted.htm#2

http://dawn.com/2006/07/28/letted.htm#3

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Jabbars letter is interesting, I wonder what if his old Millat party boss Farooq Leghari ..has to say about the petition (Jabbar was general secretary if the Millat party).

In any case the only group of former supporters left who have not come out openly critical of Mush are the generals he since retired (some of whom are privately fuming) true to the spirit of what goes around comes around he ousted those generals by superseding them..the same act which they opposed when it was being done to Mush. As far as NAB is concerned, people like Hasan Abbas have already written of the witchunt of ex NAB people that happened once Mushy had sealed his deal with the corrupt around the time of the referendum.

*The saddest commentary on Musharraf's much-vaunted commitment to the cause of accountability is that each member of this team of officers was hounded out of NAB soon after Amjad's departure from the institution. Their only handicap was that not one of them was prone to entertaining any adverse dictates. And so ended a heroic chapter of the war against crime by a handful of officers in a corrupt environment.
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my heart goes out to this guy mushy. one somewhat smart guy but misplaced loyalty. doesn't he know pakistanis don't believe in pensions and prefer their leaders to fast track to the heavenly abode?

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another letter by an ex senator;
http://dawn.com/2006/07/30/letted.htm#3

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I am sure these PILDATians are sensing blood and setting themselves up for positions in BB’s future government.

I am not sure if Jialaas would allow these turncoats to have anything significant.

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Zakk, dont you think these 'former' supporters are doing it just because they are out of favor now, and dont have a ministry to hang on to anymore? They might get one if theres a change of party, dont ya think?

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Spock bhai good to see you posting again, I hope all is well with you and your family. to your question I don’t doubt that, the letter was not specifically addressed to Musharraf I believe similar letters were addressed to other political party leaders. Some could be angling for future jobs (perhaps by another Military government), but some of them have shown no such interest (and are quite respected for their integrity inside and outside the pro establishment group), a few are members of the PPP and PML-N but some don’t have any personal axe to grind (rumour has it some have called up Mush and said it wasn’t meant as a personal attack).

Still the group consists of people who were involved in Musharrafs most hyped successes (media, police act, local governments etc). I personally think its a reflection of how far hes departed from his original plan which in 1999 had overwhelming support.

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Thanks Zakk, all is well at my end and hope the same for you.

I am not too fond of people who switch loyalties, which was observed when Mushy took control, people like Wasim Sajad etc, immediately turned tables just so that they are safe, whereas a handful of Nawaz supporters stayed loyal to them. Now that these lotaz are no longer ministers, the only hope they have to cling on to another one is to somehow see a regime change, so that it gives them a chance to do what they are best at, point to another direction. As for the 1999 thing is concerned, I for one thing this is a better time for Mush, remember how 'experts' speculated the new Government could only hang on for a few months on its reserves, but its 2006 now, and we are still 'hanging' on, and hanging on with dignity.

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WE? :D

This 'govt' was going nowhere till 9/11.

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TRD bro! This is how the world goes around. You get opportunities and you avail them.

However development opportunities come to every region in the world. Some welcome them and use them, while others lose them.

Look at the Tribals-Talibanics of Wazirastan and Afghanistan. Opportunities for prosperity are knocking at their doors. However they are so big time ignoramuses that they are killing those who want to bring in the prosperity.

Same is true for Afro-Arab tribals all over the world. They have all the chances and access to prosperity, and yet they love to start the cycle of death and destruction.

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Spock, one should be careful about confusing a lota with someone who is criticising on principle..a lota as you explained is someone who switches loyalties for a Ministerial post..the the Sherpaos, Sheikh Rashids, Nawaz Khokars, manzoor Watoos of this world (although Sheikh Rashid could not join the PPP in any circumstances ).

As far as Mush being more secure..you are right Pakistan is financially more secure..that doesn't mean Mush is..

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Former Mushy supporters ask him to quit Army.

They asked,
He quit.
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