Forged evidence regarding Iraq? - Senator asks FBI to investigate (merged)

Not sure if this has been posted in some thread already but this is an interesting bit of information. So who do you think could be behind it and what should be done with them?

Could be organizatiosn too that have a vested in interest in war e.g. OBL & co, because as horrid as saddam is his govt is secular aside fom his using the religion card in war time. I personally doubt that OBL & co have teh capability to doctor evidence at that level.

so which country could it be, who has a vested interest in the war (aside from W ofcourse)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/884624.asp?0dm=C15PN

WASHINGTON, March 13 — The FBI is looking into the forgery of a key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program, including the possibility that a foreign government is using a deception campaign to foster support for military action against Iraq.

Maybe the same country that presented a plagiarised dossier on Iraq? - the British...

and their interests in this war? complete the thought there guv

That is very interesting. I can't believe I'm saying this because I sound like many of the freaks on these boards, but Israel would seem to be the only country that would benefit from this deception. I hope it's revealed which country supplied the papers to the CIA.

"The FBI is looking into the forgery of a key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program,"

LOL.... Surely you've heard the one about the fox guarding the hen house. Well, what if the hens asked the fox to try and break into their house so that they could learn how to better protect themselves...

As if it makes any difference,, might is right the sooner KIm opens his wall mart the better chance for peace.

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That is very interesting. I can't believe I'm saying this because I sound like many of the freaks on these boards, but Israel would seem to be the only country that would benefit from this deception. I hope it's revealed which country supplied the papers to the CIA.
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well not only Israel.. it could be saudi arabia who just wants the attention focus shifted away from its own issues, heck for all i know it can be Pakistan to shift the attention away from its own taleban symathiserz which for some odd reason (actually not so odd) are in that border area.

lets see when the news are made public. maybe it ws not forgery but plagiarism and copying of some students notes, so less of a conspiracy more of an inefficiency like what UK delivered..

we can wait and see

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and their interests in this war? complete the thought there guv
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Although the news report says this information came to the US and UK intelligence agencies from a third country, we know that the UK published misleading reports itself about Iraq i.e. the plagiarised dossier, hence they are guilty of 'forgery' in their own right.

The Iraq crisis has become quite personal for Blair, and I would not be surprised if the British government would be prepared to forge evidence to stitch up Iraq. All post-war British governments have gone out of the way to maintain at all costs the somewhat unrequited "special relationship" with the United States. They are terrified of the thought of the French and Germans winning this battle and subsequentely reigning supreme over Europe. Just a theory...

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heck for all i know it can be Pakistan to shift the attention away from its own taleban symathiserz which for some odd reason (actually not so odd) are in that border area.
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That's an interesting thought.. If this whole Iraq deal weren't being played out, do you think the US would be harping on Pak because of all the lingering sypathisers? This war sure has shifted public focus away from Afghanistan's aftermath...

Atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant?

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They are terrified of the thought of the French and Germans winning this battle and subsequentely reigning supreme over Europe.
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That's the only reason those supporting countries in Europe take the stand they do. Eastern Europe, Denmark, etc have no interest in Iraq. It was not a danger to global stability until the US brought it up. These countries only fear France and Germany trying to be the voice of Europe.. it takes away from their own voice.

Being an avid reader of crime, mystery and spy novels, how about this twist.

The Iraqis themselves created the documents and supplied it to a friendly third country to give to the US. They knew that the documents would be used to support claims of Iraqi nuclear development and knew the forgeries would be discovered. Thus, they discredit charges against them by claiming that the US and UK are forging documents to slander them. :dixsi:

I think it was aliens…

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so here are the potential culprits so far

Israel
UK
Saudi Arabia
Iraq
Pakistan
US
Aliens
Al-kaayda

lets give them some odds, and place your bets.

86 to 1 odds on it being Azerbaijan.

Azher Bhai Jaan?

what does he have to do with it :) I knew he was a trouble maker in school but dinn think of him as a global prnakster.

(for non urdu speakers, azher is a name, and bhai jaan is a term used for elder brother means dear brother, so azher bhai jaan means dear brother azher, could be used for your elder friends, neighbours etc too

(US) Senator Asks FBI to Investigate Fake Iraq Document

reminiscent of the reason given for vietnam war

if such a critical piece of evidence was forged, makes you wonder how much are we being lied to by our institutions.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2384541

Senator Asks FBI to Investigate Fake Iraq Document
Fri March 14, 2003 08:23 PM ET
By Tabassum Zakaria
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee asked the FBI on Friday to investigate fake documents the United States used as evidence to the United Nations of alleged Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Niger.

“As you know, the International Atomic Energy Agency has recently determined that some of the intelligence documents provided to it by the United States are forgeries,” Sen. John Rockefeller said in a letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller.

“These documents were provided to the IAEA as evidence of Iraqi efforts to procure uranium from the Republic of Niger. I am writing to request that the Federal Bureau of Investigation investigate this matter,” the West Virginia senator said.

The documents were among intelligence U.S. officials used in seeking U.N. Security Council support for their assertion that Iraq is hiding biological, chemical and nuclear weapons programs. Iraq denies having such weapons programs.

An FBI official said the FBI would probably launch some type of initial inquiry, but in part to determine whether it was an FBI issue or should be handled by the CIA, which deals with intelligence collected abroad. The CIA had no comment.

U.S. and British forces are amassed in the Gulf region for a potential war against Iraq, which Washington says may be necessary to disarm Baghdad.

President Bush alluded to the evidence in his State of the Union address, saying Britain had learned Iraq had sought “significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

FORGERIES

IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei undermined the U.S. position on March 7 by telling the U.N. Security Council the documents on the Iraq-Niger-uranium connection were forgeries.

U.S. officials say it was not known who forged the papers, but they were given to the United States and Britain by a third country which they would not identify.

The United States gave other information on the uranium issue to the IAEA in early February, along with the documents with caveats attached about their credibility, a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity.

U.S. intelligence analysts “believed from the beginning the information was questionable and I understand that they did not factor it into their analysis of the Iraqi threat,” Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts said.

“The bottom line is that the United States does not need this one piece of evidence to make its case against Iraq,” the Kansas Republican said in a statement.

Rockefeller expressed concern that the forgeries “may be part of a larger deception campaign aimed at manipulating public opinion and foreign policy regarding Iraq.”

“The implication of Senator Rockefeller’s letter is that the intelligence community forged these documents to somehow bolster the case against Iraq. It just doesn’t make sense that the U.S. government would forge documents and then not use them in its case or vouch for their authenticity,” Roberts said.

Oh, goodie. Im adding this to my favs. Thanks. This will come in handy for my debate :D

This is unbelievable! Whether the US Govt knew this or not they have stooped down as low as a common criminal....thanks a lot Bush and Rummy and Cheney and Powell! you have brought us shame!

Yeah.. I bet that investigation is gonna go real far under Ashcroft...

Welcome the first casualty of war already - the truth.

Some Evidence on Iraq Called Fake - U.N. Nuclear Inspector Says Documents on Purchases Were Forged, Washington Post

(Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More), Yahoo News

UK nuclear evidence a fake, The Guardian

Baradei says US reports were false, The Independent

Inspector Finds No Nuclear Evidence, ABC 22 (NY)

The Status of Nuclear Inspections in Iraq: An Update, International Atomic Energy Agency

But these very few war mongering governments i.e. the US and UK are still going to go to war on the basis of FORGED and PLAGIARISED proof that they have presented to the world, and without waiting for the UN inspectors to complete their work.