Next time, look at the main topic, and then design your responses. You once again prove your terrible ability to write. For most of your posts do not give the statement that forcing is wrong…when that’s what the original poster wanted to know.
Next time, try to answer the question as is, instead of starting up on long preaching speeches. We all know you want to be heard and no one at home listens to you most likely, but its best to be str8 to the point when answering a question so that there is no confusion, and you don’t look like a desperado trying to get attention at the end.
AQ, you only hurt yourself with your own arrogance. Like I said, answer questions str8 to the point. Well you do have an alternative...just don't answer at all.
Al Nawawi (d. 631H) writes in his commentary on Sahih Muslim (hadith #146): “As for one who abandons salah, if he denies that it is obligatory [to pray] then he is a disbeliever by consensus of the Muslims… [However] if he abandons it out of laziness whilst [still] believing in its obligation – as is the case with many people – then the scholars have differed in this regards. [Imam] Malik and [Imam] al Shafi’i and the majority of the predecessors (salaf) and those of later generations (khalaf) hold that he has not disbelieved but is a fasiq and is required to repent – if he repents [then fine], but if not the death penalty is applied as a capital punishment… And a group of the predecessors hold that such a person [who abandons prayer out of laziness whilst believing in its obligation] is a kafir [outright] and this has been reported from Ali ibn Abi Talib …] and it is one of two reports from Ahmed ibn Hanbal… [whilst] Abu Hanifah and a group of the people of Kufa …] hold that such a one is not a kafir, nor is he to be killed, but should be reprimanded and confined until he prays…”
Ibn Rushd (d. 595H) writes in Bidayat al-Mujtahid (translated as: The Distinguished Jurist’s Primer, Vol. 1, pp.98-99): “The opinion of those who say that he [who refuses to pray but doesn’t deny its obligation] should be executed …] is weak. They have nothing to rely on except for a weak qiyas al-shabah if that is possible here: that is, the comparison of prayer, the foremost command, with murder, the foremost prohibition. The term ‘kufr’ is literally applied to mean ‘denial’, and it is known that the person relinquishing the prayer is not [necessarily] denying [its obligatory status] unless he relinquishes it with such a belief… The decision by interpretation that his hukm [situation] is the hukm of a disbeliever cannot be taken, except through an evidence, for it is a hukm that has not been established by the law in a way that a decision can be based upon it directly.”
Hisba bill is a political move to gain more power and fool people into believing that they are implementing 'islam' Like they know ABC of Islam ...
they (religious thugs ) wont even touch the real hardcore issues like interest (half of the income of NWFP consists of interest payments ) or londey bazi ( rape of young boys; which is a common practice in those areas and everyone is aware of it )
Govt can not force people into praying. cuase it is everyone's personal obligation. but govt can force the business to shut down during juma prayer time, because it is asked in quran to shut down business during the time.
But again, Govt has important responsibilities, like providing basic neccesities of life. Which sadly the NWFP govt is ignoring for long time and , speaking realistically they are incapable of solving real issues like imposing ban on rampant child molestation in the province.
Because many so-called honorable religious personalities are patronising this horific act in their own areas. And they see no harm in it. animals
So to conceal their hypocrisy they are going to introduce this act of talibanization which is nothing more than a hogwash, to divert attention from real issue and make people believe in there sincerity
Along with the concerns that Code-Red posted, I can only add that it concerns me that the mohtasib has immense power. And that the mohtasib is appointed, not elected.
I was really shocked at the clause that says anyone who delivers dishonor or bayzati to the mohtasib will be punished. Because that can easily be twisted to apply to anyone that decides to oppose a mohtasib's decision or critique the decision.
I'm hoping you do see a lot that is wrong in the Bill. Its the most poorly drafted piece of legislation I have ever seen, and its filled with incredibly big loopholes.
