Forced Marriage

Asalaam-o-Alaikum.

im here to ask for some suggestions. My dad has fixed my alliance with someone else without asking me. I then told him i love someone else and i wish to marry him but he refuses. he is forcing me to marry the boy of his choice. my mum keeps pushing me to forget the person i like because its not gonna happen since he’s not of my caste. My family is very strict on this caste stuff, especially my dad. I dont know what to do. If i insist more, im afraid he will do something really outrageous. Also, as i live outside Pakistan, he might force me to go to Pak and live the rest of my life there till i marry whom he likes. This will only ruin my life, and in a way his too, but he doesnt understand. He is not a man who i can talk to in a calm way either. I dont know how to talk to him. He already accuses my mum for what is happening is all because of how my mum has raised me or she has taught me these stuffs. He is a very short-tempered man who can beat me or my mum anytime too. i am devastated. im completely lost and dont know what to do. I’ve done istekhara but there has been no obvious guide from it. please give me some rational advice. Also, if there’s someone who’s going through the same, please personal message me so we can motivate each other in this tense times.

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Go to your Grand Parents, they can straighten em out I hope!

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Wasalam. Is there any family member who has some influence and whom you can confide in and can reason with your parents on your behalf? Such as a grandparent, aunt/uncle, older sibling or cousin? Maybe this person can get your dad to keep an open-mind.

The guy you're in love with.....has he ever talked to you about sending his parents over to your home for a rishta? If he has not said anything about this and if he has no intention/plan to do this.....then it's better to move on from him.

I understand that your dad's whole approach to this matter is wrong. But have you met this guy that your dad has in mind for you? Have you spoken with him? If not, you might like him after getting to know him. That's another option to consider.

However, if you are absolutely certain that you do not want to marry this guy, do you have his contact information (phone/email/etc)...? If not, you may have to do some searching. Contact the guy and tell him (as tactfully as possible) that you do not want to marry him. That way (hopefully) he can refuse the rishta from his end ...and (hopefully) without ratting you out...and that way the whole matter can come to end. Although, if your dad's still going to maintain the same rigid mentality, then it's only a matter of time before the same issue takes place with yet another guy. So the root of the problem is your dad's mentality; that needs to be addressed. There needs to be open dialog between you and your parents where you can tell him what qualities you want in a rishta and where you both can meet in the middle. If your own attempts at talking to him are not working...then maybe someone else might get through to him......but it's better to start from within the family first....before branching out to enlist outside help as that obviously comes with its own risks.

Keep in mind that you boyfriend...as attached as you are to him....may not be the one for you. That doesn't mean that you should marry the guy your dad has chosen. It may not be him either. It may be someone totally different.

In regards to istikhara, I have done it several times and it hasn't failed me. In fact I did it for a matter about 1or 2 months ago and I did get a few strange dreams, but I didn't rely solely on the dreams. I kep an open mind and I put in some effort and with time Allah made the right path clear for me. I didn't just do istikhara once or twice.....rather I did it for several days and after every prayer even. Istikhara is not about watching out for dreams and signs and opens. Read the translation of the dua. It says that if a matter is good for you, that Allah will make it easy for you. And if it's not good for you, then he's turn it away from you. So basically, istikhara is about watching how the events unfold. If a matter is beneficial for you, then Allah will make it happen. If a matter is not good for you, you will find that it won't happen...it'll come to an end. I would encourage to keep doing istikhara......daily.....until a conclusion/answer is reached. It's easy to get hasty and think that our dua didn't work...but sometimes we have to keep asking. So don't let anybody on this forum or outside of this forum or even the whispers within you tell you that istikhara doesn't work. It does.

Also, given that your dad has a short temper....I think it's better if you deal with him patiently as possible. And I admit that's easier said than done. Your first impulse may be to raise your own voice. But he's likely to perceive it as rebellion and may take extreme measures to 'quash' it.

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Islam prohibits forced marriages.A girl's consent is required for marriage. Talk to an imam to convince your parents.

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Which country you are in?

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yes, the person i wish to marry also wishes to marry me. He has talked to his mum (his dad has passed away) and his sister has contacted me, telling me she will try to convince her family. I feel his family will be convinced soon. As of now, only my dad is objecting.

I have 3 brothers who are in UK. 2 of them are very racist and i know that once they find out i love someone outside the caste, they will make it even harder for me. 1 of them is sensible. He even married a woman of his choice, outside the caste, but unfortunately he says he regrets it. I believe it's only because my dad is still not talking to him although i believe he would have been happy if only my dad gives up on such pride he has. I know that my brother has asked my parents multiple times to marry the woman of his choice but they always refused. I feel they have compelled him themselves yet blame him and make him suffer by not talking to him either now. They would never admit their mistakes. anyways, because of this, he told me to step away from this and keep my parents happy.

i tried imagining my life with the guy my dad has chosen but i only see myself remembering who i really love. I feel i wont be a good wife, a good daughter-in-law and everything. I don't see myself smiling even if i'll be around him and his family. i wont be happy. i don't wanna take such a big risk and end up ruining not only my life, but his too, and the person i love and also my parents'.

I have the person's contact but im only afraid that telling him might worse things even more. my sister says he's a family boy so he'll definitely tell his dad, who is my chachu and who lives in UK. one reason why my dad wants me to marry him is because all my siblings have UK passport except me, so this marriage will allow me to have one and live there with the rest of my family, who actually kinda live far from where my chachu lives. a 3 hour drive. i have been to UK and i didnt even like it there.

also, im afraid that even if he is successfully able to call off the rishta on his behalf, my parents will definitely doubt me that i resulted this. and i cant tell what things my dad will do to me.

I also think that if im a type of woman who can easily shift my heart from the one i love to another person, what guarantee is there that i wont do the same after marriage. I know many women who were forced into marriage, then they divorced or got divorced and got back to the one they loved first. I dont wanna do that. I was always against it but as the time comes near and i come closer to the reality and experience this first hand, i realize there can be such possibilities. i never imagined myself saying that. once, I even clearly said to the person i love that if i got married somewhere else, i wouldnt look back at all. but... its hard to say now.

My dad has finally agreed on me going to college, only on the condition that i be dropped and picked by my mum everyday. things are sort of calming down but i feel that its because they think i have agreed to their choice. im afraid to bring up this topic to him again in case he completely grounds me. also, i sort of have 3 years before this marriage take place. but less than a month before they finally share the news of fixing the alliance with everyone else. i was hoping to finish this matter before many people find out so that will help my parents too. but im not sure if i should talk now or later, when im mid-studying so they dont have a choice to ground me.
I will keep in mind regarding the istekhara and do it more often. Thank you so much for your suggestions.

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^ What country do you live in right now and what country of citizenship do you have? That makes a big difference in what resources are available to you.

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I am guessing you are a British citizen and live in the UK, since you said you live outside of Pakistan and 3 of your brothers live in the UK. Trust me on this, you do not have to be forced into anything. Parents don't understand this sometimes, unfortunately. Being pressured or forced into something builds anger, bitterness and resentment in a person. If you force yourself to accept the choice of your parents, maybe it'll take ages for you to come to terms with who you've married. Sometimes never. And this is the reason why there are so many divorces etc. The partner for whatever reason feels distant, the other partner doesn't get the attention and love they require; so they go look for it elsewhere. You're in the UK, you can go report to the Home Office that your family are threatening you to be sent to Pakistan for arranged married. You can go to the Met and tell them your family is threatening you, and get an injunction issued against them.

As for the person you want to marry, is he ready for marriage? If he is, this is the time for him to man up and step up. He needs to have a say in all of this too. Then you'll know how deep in it you really are, actually you both. No matter what happens, do not let yourself be forced into anything. At the end of the day your parents have spent their life, now it is a question of your life and happiness. Parents will eventually come around, but once you lose the one you truly love, you'll never be happy with anyone else.

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^^ she doesnt live in the uk or have citizenship..

OP are you in europe? You say theres 3 years before this marriage takes place, anythjng can happen. Just stay firm and stand your ground. I wouldnt get on a flight if you are worried your dad will leave you behind. Try getting your mum kn your side. Is the guy a non pakistani?

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i dont live in UK. i live in Hong Kong, China. Definitely there are aids i can take over here too but i just dont want the situation where people will come looking for my father. I'll feel really shameful then.

as for the person i want to marry, he is also convincing his family atm but im pretty sure he easily will. I have asked him whether we should nikah in secret but he is not so keen on it as we both know this will create many other issues later.

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the guy is pakistani, just of different caste. also, i live in hong kong. i am just wondering when to talk to my dad and how to put it really plainly to him that i dont wanna marry where he is forcing me and to consider who i love.

If your dad mentions it again just say right now i dont want to think about it as i would like to focus on my studies. Also if the guy you like is serious could he get in touch with your mum? Ask his mother tonspeak to yours so maybe things can move forward abit. Would your siblings support you

the guy is pakistani, just of different caste. also, i live in hong kong. i am just wondering when to talk to my dad and how to put it really plainly to him that i dont wanna marry where he is forcing me and to consider who i love.
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do as your elders say

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Interesting. So you are a Pakistani and you live in Hong Kong? Oh well. Like you said I am sure there are support structures that can come to your aid in Hong Kong too, sorry not too familiar with HK. I thought you were from UK. I agree about his reservations about doing Nikkah in secret. His family is in HK also or elsewhere? I think you should do what Bella said, stand firm and stick to your resolve. Do not get on any sort of flight to Pakistan. Once you get to Pakistan, there's very little you can do.

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Why did the guy come into your life when you know your parents are like that?

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You already know that your father is capable of physical violence and his mood/behavior is unpredictable. While I understand your desire to protect your family from "shame", you also need to think about your own safety. Have you seen the story that's plastered all over the news today about the Pakistani girl who was tied down and burnt alive by her own mother b/c she married someone against her family's wishes? According to the story, the girl's mother and brother lied to her and talked her into going back to the family's house and then burned her alive.

No matter what you do, do NOT get on a plane to Pakistan under any circumstances. Vacation, some relative is supposedly dying....whatever reason your father/mother/brother etc. gives you.....do not go to Pakistan anytime soon. And even if you don't reach out to them right now...at least take the time to become familiar with the agencies in Hong Kong who can help you.