PS: MR: Storch, Myvoice, OhioGuy, Seminole, I and the people on this BB would feel much better if you stop churning out baseless and incoherent justifications for your Governments actions and for once come out and condemn the merciless killing of the Iraqi people and tell us that in your own capacity you tried to Stop Your government , holding a placard in front of the white house would suffice.
May God (that is if one exists) keep everyone safe?
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You didn’t include Stu and our cabby NYAhmadi (aka Mandhanee). You are talking to wrong people. These Muslim haters will never stop doing what they do here everyday.
Slavery? First you presume I am White. Racist. Second, how does that relate to Iraq? and, 60 MILLION people voted for Bush.
Frankly the people of Afghanistan are moving along pretty well on Democracy. Not only are they NOT slaves, but they voted in record numbers. Democracy can indeed work in Iraq, the only barrier is the Sunni's who are used to dominating the country. Maybe you break up the country, fine with me. Or assign a fraction of the Oil revenue to the Sunni government.
Fallujah is not a joke, it is too little too late. I remember people around here strutting like roosters when Fallujah I was halted in April. Frankly, that made for a far more complete evacuation of the city now, which enabled much more powerful weapons to be used, saving US lives. It's not a joke, but I dearly hope they fight to the death. Nobody needs Fallujah III. Two more days and a little clean up, and Fallujah will be rid of a lot of rats...
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Afghanistan a Democracy? Ha! I bet my a&& on that it's not.
Worse Animals are sitting in the white house and the other race of the rats is born in America.
Sholay – Taxi reference by other (by that I mean non-Pakis) might actually sound cute, but given the fact that over 103% NY cabbies are Pakis, it makes you come across as very insensitive to your Ummah. The whole god damn Taxi Ummah.
When you have protests in Pakistan by your Wahababobo brothers to bring stranded kalay Biharis from Bangladesh, to protest in front of Khartoomi embassy in Islanabad for displacing and sytematically murdering and raping kalay African Muslims (MUSLIMS), and then and may be then your anti-westism might make a tiny itsy bitsy sense. Don’t be so selective in selecting only White Muslims in your Ummah. That’s only like 2% of Pakistan and half of Middle East and Turkey and Iran don’t give a jack about Wahababobo Ummah. So that makes it 19.3 % minus the square root of Moulana Moudoodi.
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US has no ambition to rule other countries. It has never colonized any place, and if it has fought in places far flung, it has always been for the good of those nations. : /QUOTE
now come on madhanee......you know you will lose debate on this particular issue ......Vietnam war...............just justify that war.....even americans dont justify that 10 year long war.....
Phoenix.. Wars are not necessarily fought for the purpose of Colonizing. If US had colonial ambitions (like the European powers of bygone days) it could have easily colonized a couple of countries of Africa. Sure it bought a lot of territory from Mexico and owns a couple of little islands in the pacific, but can you name one country that it occupied for the purpose of colonizing it? I mean NYC cops can take over Canadia in less than a week if we had such ambitions. Short time occupation is not colonization by any stretch of the imagination. It will be like saying Pakistan colonized Kargil in late 90s.
Why the compassionate conservatives evangelical Christians didn’t send their boys to darfur to kill the “Arab terrorist”?
Because Sudan has no oil and no strategic importance.
^ no nothing to do with mogadishu. Just that OBL had and has favorable ties with Sudan. Sudan hosted him after he left SA in 92 and he invested in industries in and around sudan which can provide logistical support should a situation warrant (if you know what I mean).
I guess try to get blue helmets to restore peace rather than open another theatre of operation knowing that it can turn into a quagmire.
If you had gone to school, and took religious studies, you might of just learnt that Islam is a Universal Religion, and does not differentiate between colours or race. Therefore, next time you want to imagine that only whites are selectively accepted into Islam as part of the Ummah, click your fingers.
You might just wake up and see the real world and not Harry Potter!
Sholay I am talking about the real world and not the imaginary stuff that you are taught to believe in (like flying horses and land of Milk and Honey). What in the real world has Mulsims (Arab and non-Arab) done about their “fellow” muslims who are being raped and ethnically cleansed? Yeah sure talk is cheap, believing in this ass-backward concept of Ummah is cheap (believing doesn’t cost a penny) but matching actions to those believes is something else. Pakistan for the past 17 years took over the largest amount of refugees in the history of the world, but tell me why wont they voice against Sudanese Government??? (They actually sided with Sudanese Govt – read the paper when you put down your Kachi Rooti and other Moudoodi garbage), it’s easy taking Millions of “white” Afghanis (even bloody Bosnians, some of whom ended up as Pakistani Citizens) but wouldn’t take Biharis that have been rotting in Bangladesh for over 30 years. Sure talk is cheap, as cheap as saying Kalama and believing in all the fairytales; where’s the action??? So yeah, give it up. Learned folks don’t believe in myths and fairytales – Jesus said so or Mohammad did that. Let’s see what you do, that’s what is real; the rest is a piece of crap with flies hovering over it.
If you have nothing contributory to add to this discussion, other than your filthy anti-westism and headintheassism, Eid Mubarak to you, and don’t get a tummy ache eating too much Mullah food: i.e. Burfee.
that I would do what the Kurds and Sistani are doing. That is, engaging in a political process. <<<<<
Easier said then done OG. Believe me! If a Muslim country attacks any Christian land You lot would unite and fortify against Muslims in a much more organised and structured way whatever the reason of attacking might be.
Other than Sadr, most Shias are waiting for elections, and engaging in a political process. The Kurds are also engaged, even though they ultimately want their own land. So we are back to the minority Sunnis who are being thrown out of power, and some radical Islamists who hate America.<<<<
*First of all I find the word Radical islamists quite offending, but that is a different debate and I don’t want to get into it.
secondly OG do you really believe that the kurds and the Shia’s are really siding with the US for their freedom. I can bet my a$$ that no Muslim would sincerely side with people of a different faith, Whether they belong to any sect of the Muslim faith; The holy scripture that they unequivocally believe on (Quran) tells them not to. So OG I think you should really question their motives?
Here is what quran has to say about it…
IN Context of : Believers should not make friends with non-believers.
Sourat number: XXIX.
Verse Number: 46
*”O ye who believe! choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believrs . would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you?
Sourat Number:IV
Verse number: 144. >>>Taken off by UTC, due to relevancy issues.
Sourat number: XLIX.
Verse Number: 9 “Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doth that hath no connection with Allah unless that ye guard yourself against them, taking security.” **
If you really think that the US is going to stay and occupy the country indefinitely, then you fight. If we had gone in with half a million tropps, you could argue that our plan was to completely dominate the country. That is not true.<<<
Staying indefinitely or momentarily, going in with a million troops or a thousand, fighting with apaches or cobras, is not the issue here OG. The point is invading another sovereign country.
The parties that hated Saddam the most are the majority, and for the most part they are peaceful. Sadr city is not in flames, Najaf is healing, and the Kurdish areas have always been under control. Mosul was the site of the worst ethnic cleansing unsder Saddam. Kurds were thrown out of their houses and the city was "arabized". Latley the Kurds have been reversing this. Sunnis are fighting it. A couple more days and Fallujah will be over.<<<<
**How sad to see that you talk about the cities of Iraq as you would while playing a game of “Risk”. For God’s sake People are losing their loved ones, Men women and children are dying daily as a direct result of the American foreign policy.
Do you really think that saddam was such a tyrant that Iraqis would pay the ultimate price of their family members being killed for a saddam free Iraq????
I don’t think so…
Now OG and the rest of you, If you are left with even an iota of humility I would ask you all to accept the truth and for once condemn the wrong doings of your government. Cant you see you are not only justifying lies rather justifying the murder of thousands of innocent people, which is ethically and religiously (in any religion) sinful.
The truth shall set you free…**
Zakk.. as much as Bagladesh was a Saudi province. are you for real?
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I was being sarcastic NYA, your earlier statement about the US not being imperialistic is factually incorrect..it was a late arrival to Western Global colonialism..and in the Spanish-US war the US did occupy Cuba and were very imperialistic towards South American states.
"If you are left with even an iota of humility I would ask you all to accept the truth and for once condemn the wrong doings of your government. Cant you see you are not only justifying lies rather justifying the murder of thousands of innocent people, which is ethically and religiously (in any religion) sinful.
The truth shall set you free…"
Spare me. What a self-rightious piece of crap. Somehow you just have cornered the market on intelligence and insight into the world?
Spare me the Quranic Quotes justifying your position. Spare me the blue fonts, and spare me the notion that you have somehow had the vision and wisdom to know all and preach to others.
Lastly, we are at war with "Radical Islamist Crusaders". If you find that offensive, ask yourself how 9/11 happened. Undoubtedly you will bend and twist your logic around to justify whatever, but Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible without 9/11. That is a fact. Go visit your local madrassa and smack them on the head for escallating a smoldering conflict into a full blown war.
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"If you are left with even an iota of humility I would ask you all to accept the truth and for once condemn the wrong doings of your government. Cant you see you are not only justifying lies rather justifying the murder of thousands of innocent people, which is ethically and religiously (in any religion) sinful.
The truth shall set you free…"
Spare me. What a self-rightious piece of crap. Somehow you just have cornered the market on intelligence and insight into the world?
Spare me the Quranic Quotes justifying your position. Spare me the blue fonts, and spare me the notion that you have somehow had the vision and wisdom to know all and preach to others.
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how does the above not apply to anyone expressing his opinion here? just because you dont have an answer you think you can get away with this?
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Lastly, we are at war with "Radical Islamist Crusaders". If you find that offensive, ask yourself how 9/11 happened. Undoubtedly you will bend and twist your logic around to justify whatever, but Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible without 9/11. That is a fact. Go visit your local madrassa and smack them on the head for escallating a smoldering conflict into a full blown war.
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escalation is very relative no? you percieve 3500 as an escalation of conflict, OBL saw lebanon as escalation of conflict, others may see afghanistan as escalation of conflict still others may see phosphorous ammunition, cluster bombs in urban areas, systematic torture and humiliation, and an estimated 100,000 dead as an escalation of smouldering conflicts.
bottomline is you're no better than wtc bombing supporters..
Tsk tsk tsk…..The first two paragraphs are self evident of the fact that you are loosing it. Calm down OG.
Believe me If I could have stopped September 11th through my words or write-ups I would have tried my level best to do so. The people of Falluja are enduring September rather November 11th, 12th, 13th. …And so on every day. That is the main reason for me to educate and edify Americans like you. You sound more radical/extremist than most of the uneducated Madrassah Mullahs, You are no different to OBL justifying September 11th, but in his case it was only September 11th where as in your case you are mitigating the wrath that the American government is unleashing on the inhabitants of falluja every day of the week.
If your heart has turned to stone towards humans (BTW Muslims are also counted as humans) and have no remorse for your governments action ours has not. May peace prevail on earth and state terrorism comes to an end.
As for me I have come to the end of the line, I sincerely thought that the American people were kind, God fearing, educated, reasonable, peace-loving people. I still think they are with you being just an angry black-hearted exception (Thank your stars that I don’t stereotype)
Take care and EOD (end of discussion)
PS: Sorry for any unkind words I have had few extra beers tonight.
NYA, why is it that everything US is doing is compared by you wiht Pakistan? Pakistan is nothing in your eyes comparing that with the new world order is a bit odd, isnt it?
Setting up puppets in every corner is even worse than colonizing, but I don’T care to differ between both.
