What say you?
Re: For people the respect Mustafa Kamal Attaturk
Looks like something you wrote. Please tell us the source.
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"Religion is an important institution. A nation without religion cannot survive. Yet it is also very important to note that religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion."
* As quoted in Kemalizm, Laiklik ve Demokrasi (Kemalism, Laicism and Democracy) (1994) by Ahmet Taner Kışlalı
Re: For people the respect Mustafa Kamal Attaturk
thank you kehkashan for providing something with sources.
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The previous quote was from H.C. Armstrongs Grey Wolf
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So basically Ataturk did not exactly say what you quoted in your original post, but this H.C. Armstrong did.
Anyway, Jinnah was a great admirer of Ataturk. Did you know there is a large and very famous Avenue in Istanbul dedicated to Pakistan's founder - Cinnah Caddesi.
Also, Zulfi Bhutto was a great admirer of Ataturk as are many other Pakistani leaders.
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So basically Ataturk did not exactly say what you quoted in your original post, but this H.C. Armstrong did.
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Do you have reading comprehension problems? The quote is from Ataturk, but the source is from Grey Wolf, written by H.C. Armstrong.
Similarly, Khehkeshan's post is not a quote from Ahmet Taner Kışlalı but from a book written by him about Ataturk.
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The previous quote was from H.C. Armstrongs Grey Wolf
Show me where Ataturk said the quote in your original post:
"Islam - this theology of an immoral Arab - is a dead thing."
"For nearly five hundred years, these rules and theories of an Arab Shaikh and the interpretations of generations of lazy and good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and criminal law of Turkey."
Do you know what Islam says about not checking your sources before maligning others? What jihadi website did you pick the first quote from?
Ataturk was an atheist, but from his quotes (the ones not fabricated) it is clear he still respected the rights of Turks to practice their religion in their personal lives.
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^ So basically Ataturk did not exactly say what you quoted in your original post, but this H.C. Armstrong did.
Read the original quote from SyedAbdullah and then read the one he quotes from Armstrong, they are different.
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Read the original quote from SyedAbdullah and then read the one he quotes from Armstrong, they are different.
Yes, and knowing a bit about Ataturk (having actually lived in Turkey as well) I know your quote was factually accurate. Mr SyedAbdullah may resort to personal attacks, but the fact remains he was way off.
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How can I show you where Ataturk said something? Do you want me to contruct a time machine or book a flight to Turkey for you? You ask the impossible.
This is the source:
http://www.victoryscent.co.uk/pdf/kamal_ataturk.pdf
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Attaturk was a great man.
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so one pne hand we have teh quote sourced from a turk, and on the other hand we have a quote sourced from someone in UK.
Time after time we complain that the orienatlists twisted the words as they wanted to support their stance or agenda..case can be made for much of Rumi's works that have been mistranslated.
I am more apt to go with the quote sourced from the turk.
In the end, ata turk was not perfect. No one is. so even if he said stuff that is questionable, one has to see when it was said in comaprison to his other statements, and see the man as a whole.
I can show you quotes from the works of ayotolllah khomeini, as well as that of maududi, beloved scholars of shia and sunni faiths and then lets see if you change your mind about them..
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Attaturk was visionary in some ways, but in otherways, he was a bit over the top..
Seemed so infatuated with the west that he not only made the nation secular, but purged even the very language of the Arabs... I mean what did he expect to gain by getting rid of Arabic and adopting a Roman Alphabet?
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Do you understand what it means to cite a source? It has nothing to do with time machines but a common practice of academia.
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Why is this in Pak Affairs?
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Do you understand what it means to cite a source? It has nothing to do with time machines but a common practice of academia.
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I was humoring Fraudz's poorly written request for a citation when I had already given it.
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Why is this in Pak Affairs?
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Apparently, alot of people in Pakistan view this man with a great deal of respect and have affinity with his political ideas.
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If only some brave man would become our Attaturk. Rid the state of its Islamist influence, and leave an open and free, secular society.
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What would Pakistan be without Islam? How would its people behave? What would be the goals of its citizenry? What would have been the point of partition? Pakistani without Islam is nothing. It would be a dreadful society.
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S.Abd... If what you quoted is correct, then maybe this is what he meant... Maybe he was referring to the people who just leave all their problems with the almighty and do nothing about it, hoping 'he' will change things for them? I mean Allah is great, but he certainly made it clear that he wants us to strive for our betterment, so maybe Attaturk was urging them to do just exactly that! what say u?