Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
What I am trying to say here is the norm of society dictates journalists to to do something. And journalists do have that responsibility and while they should use good methods, they should not be discouraged in general.
They should be discouraged from improper methods and encouraged to use proper methods. other than that I agree.
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They should be discouraged from improper methods and encouraged to use proper methods. other than that I agree.
Sure.
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She got fired.
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20120129/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_liberal_victory
Firing of TV host a victory for Pakistani liberals
Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
1- every single soccer hooligan riot has been fueled by drunks 2- drug addiction is indeed a disease and needs to be treated....and prevention is better than cure.
So is your suggestion we should make alcohol illegal.
Yes, prevention is better than cure. We just disagree what is the best way to prevent it.
Your approach for prevention is to make drugs illegal. That approach has been shown to be wrong - the drug war is lost.My approach is to legalize drugs - spend more on education - which should contribute to prevention - and more on treatment - which should help people return to society rather than rot in jails - only to come out as hardened criminals.
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So is your suggestion we should make alcohol illegal.
You can read what you want to, i was drawing attention to the fact that even something as mild as alcohol has rules...who can buy it, what is a legal limit..and even then a disproportionality high number of driving fatalities are alcohol related.
Yes, prevention is better than cure. We just disagree what is the best way to prevent it.
I dont see a well thought out approach on how to legalize and then prevent addiction. I can't disagree with something I can't see, nor can I agree with it. I just have to not factor it as an alternative. are all drugs allowed? are there any restrictions? what are they? how will they be enforced?..by age? by quantity? by frequency??..and if they are restricted, what happens if people break those restrictions..those who argue for a more liberal drug policy need to answer these questions. ..and which drugs?...
Your approach for prevention is to make drugs illegal. That approach has been shown to be wrong - the drug war is lost.My approach is to legalize drugs - spend more on education - which should contribute to prevention - and more on treatment - which should help people return to society rather than rot in jails - only to come out as hardened criminals.
I dont believe I stated that anywhere, but you can choose to make that inference. I do believe there are certain things that simply can not be made legal...meth for one. if you want to make it legal, more power to you, sorry..less power to you. Prior to that you may want to read up on what it is. You were not clear on the difference between cocaine and crack and left it as a race bias when it came to punishment.
Even in netherlands, the example of which you had given. (even when it comes to marijuana, there are very strict laws and those who dont comply (large scale dealers, manufacturers) are prosecuted. officially personal use is still illegal, but is just not enforced...) they also consider hard drugs very very illegal.
with all due respect, you need to educate yourself on the different types of drugs, their impact, and how they have been addressed by places like netherlands including the prosecutions, closure of places selling soft drugs, restriction on who can purchase and non locals being prevented etc etc.
Netherlands policy on hard drugs is public as well and they are not allowed. So a country which some may argue, has done a successful and more liberal soft drug tolerance approach, not only debating and restricting that program, but is against being tolerant with respect to hard drugs, then they may know something mare than both of us.
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You can read what you want to, i was drawing attention to the fact that even something as mild as alcohol has rules...who can buy it, what is a legal limit..and even then a disproportionality high number of driving fatalities are alcohol related.
I dont see a well thought out approach on how to legalize and then prevent it. I can't disagree with something I can't see, nor can I agree with it. I just have to not factor it as an alternative. are all drugs allowed? are there any restrictions? what are they? how will they be enforced?..by age? by quantity? by frequency??..and if they are restricted, what happens if people break those restrictions..those who argue for a more liberal drug policy need to answer these questions. ..and which drugs?...
I dont believe I stated that anywhere, but you can choose to make that inference. I do believe there are certain things that simply can not be made legal...meth for one. if you want to make it legal, more power to you, but prior to that you may want to read up on what it is. You were not clear on the difference between cocaine and crack and left it as a race bias when it came to punishment. Yes, even in netherlands, the example of which you had given. even when it comes to marijuana, there are very strict laws and those who dont comply (large scale dealers, manufacturers) are prosecuted. officially personal use is still illegal, but is just not enforced...but they also consider hard drugs illegal.
with all due respect, you need to educate yourself on the different types of these drugs, their impact, and how they have been addressed by places like netherlands including the prosecutions, closure of places selling soft drugs, restriction on who can purchase and non locals being prevented etc etc. Additionally netherlands policy on hard drugs is public as well and they are not allowed. So a country which some ma argue, has done a successful and more liberal soft drug tolerance approach, not only debating and restricting that program, but is against being tolerant with respect to hard drugs, then they may know something mare than both of us.
It is common sense that somedrugs are worse than others. While I dont have a Ph.D. in drugs, even I get that. Crack vs cocaine was just an example.
I am not trying to infer anything - just trying to understand what your solution is to this problem. It is logical for me to infer you consider alcohol use a big problem. ou also consider drug use a big problem.
I may not know all the intricacies and cmplexities of legalizing drugs. As for Netherlands policy against hard drugs, I saw a program few years ago Heroin is allowed.
By all means, if something is really worse than Heroin (and I am sure there are worse drugs) we can consider making them illegal.
I hear no solutions from you other than to say alcohol and drug use are bad - which is common sense. he fact thet all is are not dotted and ts crossed does not mean one should not move forward into the 21st century with fresh ideas and solutions. I do not think a pre-requisite for thatis to be an expert on ill-effects of various drugs. Because these drugs get used, no matter what. Time to come to grips with that - sooner we do that, faster we move towards a solutiom.
Alcohol is a prime example - making it illegal has not worked anywhere. People do bootlegging, serve poor and dangerous quality drinks.
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I don’t necessarily agree with that, she was a liberal herself 
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ok so she got fired, but how did it became a liberal victory??? : s
people were just against the way she did that stuff, when someone said she didn’t do right, they were not promoting dating, rather they were simply pointing out that the way she conveyed her point was not right and was invasive.
she herself is very much a typical pakistnai liberal party girl, i’m sure many of guppies have seen her other videos by now…
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Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
It is common sense that somedrugs are worse than others. While I dont have a Ph.D. in drugs, even I get that. Crack vs cocaine was just an example.
I am not trying to infer anything - just trying to understand what your solution is to this problem. It is logical for me to infer you consider alcohol use a big problem. ou also consider drug use a big problem.
Its not just me who considers alcohol a big problem, if it were not he case there would be no restrictions either age related, or legal limits. alcoholism will not be an issue etc etc.
I may not know all the intricacies and cmplexities of legalizing drugs. As for Netherlands policy against hard drugs, I saw a program few years ago Heroin is allowed.
By all means, if something is really worse than Heroin (and I am sure there are worse drugs) we can consider making them illegal.
That program was incorrect, Heroin is not allowed in netherlands., and yes crack and meth mess a person up royally, which leads us back to the point I was making that drugs can not be legalized willy nilly.
I hear no solutions from you other than to say alcohol and drug use are bad - which is common sense. he fact thet all is are not dotted and ts crossed does not mean one should not move forward into the 21st century with fresh ideas and solutions. I do not think a pre-requisite for thatis to be an expert on ill-effects of various drugs. Because these drugs get used, no matter what. Time to come to grips with that - sooner we do that, faster we move towards a solution.
My solution is simple and let me spell it out. hard drugs have to stay illegal...period.
soft drugs like marijuana, lets learn from the longest running experiment in the western world, which is netherlands, and learn from it. The fact that they are putting restrictions on it shows that they know more than those who have just dabbled in theory in other countries. Time to come to grips with it indeed.
Alcohol is a prime example - making it illegal has not worked anywhere. People do bootlegging, serve poor and dangerous quality drinks.
but pretty much everywhere it is legal there are fairly strong laws controlling, who can sell it, who can manufacture it, who can drink it, where one can drink it, how much is too much etc. All that has been done based on years of study by experts and while the results may not be ideal, they are more than likely better that a free for all. Why should something like marijuana be anything less?
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she was sponsored by local restaurants??? 
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^ @X2 Before someone throws brickbats at mem for derailing this thread
"but pretty much everywhere it is legal there are fairly strong laws controlling, who can sell it, who can manufacture it, who can drink it, where one can drink it, how much is too much etc. All that has been done based on years of study by experts and while the results may not be ideal, they are more than likely better that a free for all. Why should something like marijuana be anything less?"
No question, free for all is not the way to go. Things have to be legalized and regulated. What needs to be legalizes is open to debate (and I am not an expert on that). As you suggested, I will have to do more homework before I continue punching above my weight class!
as always, enjoyed the discussion.
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meray poochnay saay pahlay hee us ko farigh karr diya zalmoon nay
Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
^ @X2 Before someone throws brickbats at mem for derailing this thread
"but pretty much everywhere it is legal there are fairly strong laws controlling, who can sell it, who can manufacture it, who can drink it, where one can drink it, how much is too much etc. All that has been done based on years of study by experts and while the results may not be ideal, they are more than likely better that a free for all. Why should something like marijuana be anything less?"
No question, free for all is not the way to go. Things have to be legalized and regulated. What needs to be legalizes is open to debate (and I am not an expert on that). As you suggested, I will have to do more homework before I continue punching above my weight class!
as always, enjoyed the discussion.
me too. :) always enjoy spirited, intelligent discussions.
(mods u may want to move this to a separate thread about drugs and legalization etc)