Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
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Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
once you find out how to play this in slow-motion, you will love this bit… specially at this point in the clip…
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yaaar I am too lazy, can u load a slow-motion clip, thank you. :D
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“Journalists don’t have the right to become moral police,” said Adnan Rehmat of Intermedia, a media development organization that is among the petitioners. “We need to draw a line.”
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Absolutely appalling to see the method she used.
Disagree that journalists don't have to be 'moral police'. They should use proper ways to promote morality. But should not be told to shut up.
Journalists are backbone of the society since they bring and should bring the members of society at large to senses.
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It would have been a very well done program if they discussed this as a roundtable with people from diff perspectives.
and then at these places instead of chasing people with teams, sent someone to talk to them off camera and asked them why they feel they have to meet like this. if people agreed to be anonymized on a video and audio, doing an interview could have brought some insight from the perspective of people who were meeting.
question is, how would people feel if this approach was used on people selling drugs, or taking rishwat. would the approach not be acceptable in any circumstances?
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^ Rishwat yes, but go after the big fish first. Selling drugs - if you legalize it, the problem would go away.
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^ Rishwat yes, but go after the big fish first. Selling drugs - if you legalize it, the problem would go away.
not sure of that, it may reduce drug business related crime, but drug induced issues will only increase.
the physiological and psychological impact of meth or crack stays the same whether it is sold by some shady dude out of a van or by your local kiryana store
Re: For Many in Pakistan, a Television Show Goes Too Far
It would have been a very well done program if they discussed this as a roundtable with people from diff perspectives.
and then at these places instead of chasing people with teams, sent someone to talk to them off camera and asked them why they feel they have to meet like this. if people agreed to be anonymized on a video and audio, doing an interview could have brought some insight from the perspective of people who were meeting.
question is, how would people feel if this approach was used on people selling drugs, or taking rishwat. would the approach not be acceptable in any circumstances?
I am guessing you are okay with people busting drug dealers or rishwat khors on the spot.
There are programs where people who date outside a marriage (committing adultery or infidelity) are tracked by journalists or TV team and then other programs where men trying to have relation with underage girls and get busted.
In some half hearted support of this woman in question following couples in a park, I would say, it all depends who and in what society feels something morally wrong.
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not sure of that, it may reduce drug business related crime, but drug induced issues will only increase. the physiological and psychological impact of meth or crack stays the same whether it is sold by some shady dude out of a van or by your local kiryana store
I agree with your 2nd para about impact being the same. In addition to reducing the crime, by legalizing drugs, one can provide treatment to the users, rather tan throwing them in jail. I believe Netherlands has shown this actually works.
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I am guessing you are okay with people busting drug dealers or rishwat khors on the spot.
There are programs where people who date outside a marriage (committing adultery or infidelity) are tracked by journalists or TV team and then other programs where men trying to have relation with underage girls and get busted.
In some half hearted support of this woman in question following couples in a park, I would say, it all depends who and in what society feels something morally wrong.
No, it was just a question.
and the question being, how wrong does a wrong have to be for it to be okay for journalists to ambush people.
its something to think about.
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I agree with your 2nd para about impact being the same. In addition to reducing the crime, by legalizing drugs, one can provide treatment to the users, rather tan throwing them in jail. I believe Netherlands has shown this actually works.
reducing the crimes by drug syndicates or by drug users who need the money to fuel their addiction. possibly if the legalizing reduces prices and makes it less lucrative for criminals to do the trafficking and cheap enough for addicts to not have to engage in crime to get a hit. Just like legal alcohol use which still results in drunk fights, drink drive accidents, and drunk mobs engaging in violence, so can drugs. Plus are all drugs the same, are marijuana and meth equal?
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No, it was just a question. and the question being, how wrong does a wrong have to be for it to be okay for journalists to ambush people. its something to think about.
So you are not in favor of journalists trying to help media and law authorities to bust drug dealers, adulteresses, pedophiles and those engaging in bribery deals?
Like I mentioned there are TV programs on these, though I have yet to see a video on bribery deal..:D
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Bhai sahab, I was hoping you would catch it yourself, but I have to spell it out.
So you are not in favor of journalists trying to help media and law authorities to bust drug dealers, adulteresses, pedophiles and those engaging in bribery deals?
Your above statement is not the same as, the statement i disagreed with..which was...
I am guessing you are okay with people busting drug dealers or rishwat khors on the spot.
"People" vs. as you later said....Journalists
Journalists I am fine with..provided... the methods are in line with the issue at hand
...on the other hand your initial term 'people' can mean many things, and could go down to vigilante actions, like assorted vice and virtue type mob patrols going after women in jeans or men in shorts and harassing them. Therefore I can not give a blanket agreement or disagreement to people taking action.
secondly there is a difference between 'people'...'busting on the spot' and journalists helping law enforcement
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Bhai sahab, I was hoping you would catch it yourself, but I have to spell it out.
Your above statement is not the same as, the statement i disagreed with..which was...
"People" vs. as you later said....Journalists
Journalists I am fine with..provided... the methods are in line with the issue at hand
...on the other hand your initial term 'people' can mean many things, and could go down to vigilante actions, like assorted vice and virtue type mob patrols going after women in jeans or men in shorts and harassing them. Therefore I can not give a blanket agreement or disagreement to people taking action.
secondly there is a difference between 'people'...'busting on the spot' and journalists helping law enforcement
Yes to your post. I realized that later. And then used bold words for journalists...to clarify.
Now, just for the argument sake.
Would you not be okay if members of community aka 'people' bust others doing drug deals or infidelity or pedophile activities...and report to authorities?
And then so called 'terrorist watch', will that be okay?
I suspect the problem may occur when someone tries to point out infidelity and terrorist watch. Since those are sticky situations where grave mistakes may occur.
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What I am trying to say here is the norm of society dictates journalists to to do something. And journalists do have that responsibility and while they should use good methods, they should not be discouraged in general.
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reducing the crimes by drug syndicates or by drug users who need the money to fuel their addiction. possibly if the legalizing reduces prices and makes it less lucrative for criminals to do the trafficking and cheap enough for addicts to not have to engage in crime to get a hit. Just like legal alcohol use which still results in drunk fights, drink drive accidents, and drunk mobs engaging in violence, so can drugs. Plus are all drugs the same, are marijuana and meth equal?
Clearly cigarette smoking is bad, alcohol overuse is bad. Yes - there are fights in bars and drunken driving accidents. I dont understand drunken mob violence. IMO, one can attribute more violence related incidents to mobs that are not drunk - with the fuel being religion, race, bigotry etc. and yes, after some sports events, esp super bowl victory etc, some drunks may engage in violence.
There is no perfect solution. One can always apply the law to the cases that result in violence.
Some would argue drug addiction is a disease and needs to be treated, and not punished.
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As for Marijuana vs meth - I hear the latter is much worse. In the US, punishment for cracked cocaine use is 10X higher than for cocaine. the former is used mainly by blacks, the latter by whites. So there is some bias in how crimes are punished based on one's race.
Legalizing and regulating drugs would remove this issue. Also lots of people are languihing in jail for non-violent criimes. The war against drugs has been shown to be a dismal and complete failure. time to move forward and ty something more constructive.
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southie i think part of the reason of the difference between punishment for cocaine vs crack is the impact each have.
just like there is a huge difference between the impact of marijuana vs meth, the cocaine vs crack has similar issue.
I dont think just because the current efforts have been not as effective as one would hope, that we just give up and everything is legal for anyone. I am not sure a free for all will be better
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Clearly cigarette smoking is bad, alcohol overuse is bad. Yes - there are fights in bars and drunken driving accidents. I dont understand drunken mob violence. IMO, one can attribute more violence related incidents to mobs that are not drunk - with the fuel being religion, race, bigotry etc. and yes, after some sports events, esp super bowl victory etc, some drunks may engage in violence.
There is no perfect solution. One can always apply the law to the cases that result in violence.
Some would argue drug addiction is a disease and needs to be treated, and not punished.
1- every single soccer hooligan riot has been fueled by drunks
2- drug addiction is indeed a disease and needs to be treated....and prevention is better than cure.