Dear faceup,
I deeply apologize that I, by mistake, deleted the above referenced thread that was created by you.
I intended to delete a particular post (Our beloved and valuable member Ghazi’s latest post) but unfortunately the whole thread got deleted. Please feel free to restart the new thread with the same title.
Again, I apologize for my mistake and would be careful next time. Thank you for your understanding.
Oops!
[This message has been edited by Ghazi (edited April 05, 2000).]
Listen bastard, tell me clearly what is wrong in my post and why the same principle don't apply on other's posts?
1)BB: Do you reject that during the Prophet’s (pbuh) life time, the Quran was never compiled into one volume, instead the Koran was written down on paper, on skin, on the branches of palm trees, on thin stone, on shoulders and side bones of animals and, mostly retained in memories of Prophets close friends (Sahaba)?
** The revelation period is 23 years. Noble Quran was preserved in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammed(SAW) after revelation was complete. Preservation secured in multiple forms and manners including what you mentioned.**
Not only were the Koranic writings disorganized, but there were seven different versions of them. Prophet Muhammad said in the Hadith: The Koran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510).
** Noble Quran is devine, Ahadeeth are not divine. Keep this in mind.**
2)BB: Do you reject that the collection of the Koran into a single volume was something Prophet Muhammad did not do or authorize?
** There is evidence that it was done in the life time of Prophet Muhammed. There is no proof of what you are talking about?**
It was Caliph Omer who, after much discussion, persuaded Abu-Bakr to order the collection of the Koran. Hazrat Abu-Bakr ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit to do the job( reference:Al-Mush Al-Shareef, page 59,60).
** It does not prove anything. You are purposely mixing apples and oranges here.**
Zaid Ibn Sabit agreed to collect the various pieces of the Koran. However, when Islam became the religion of many countries, every country used the version of the Koran which was known among them: the Syrians read AbiKaab’s version, the people of Kofa read Abdallah Ibn Massoud’s version, others read Abu Moussa Alashaby’s version and so on.
** Again you are mixing apples and oranges and twisting facts to fit in your agenda.**
3)BB: Do you reject that when Caliph Usman took the caliphate, he was confronted by such confusion and sedition concerning the reading of the Koran in the different Islamic countries that he ordered it to be rewritten?
** Non-sense and it is not true account.**
Usman ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit and three other men form Quraysh, Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubeer,Saeed Ibn El-Uss, and Abdelrahman Ibn Al-Harith Ibn Hesham, to rewrite the Koran.
** You are very selective to poison the issue by using the word re-write. Before press was invented, everything was re-written over and over again. Depends on its demand.**
It was Caliph Usman’s order to the scribes: " If you disagree with Zaid Ibn Sabit in anything of the Koran,write it in the language of Quraysh, because the Koran was revealed in the language of Quraysh." They did. (Al-Mushaf Al-Shareef, Pages 66,70).
** Not true again same deceptive tactics are used by you.**
4)BB: Do you reject that after Caliph Usman completed 'his Koran' he forced all the Islamic countries to have one Koran - and banned all other codices?
** Damn lie and twisted account of events.**
He finished the matter by BURNING all other codices of the Koran. When Hazrat Usman banned whichever he banned from the Koran, and burned whichever he burned of it, he banned passages Allah has revealed and burned parts of the Koran which were given to the Muslims by the messenger of Allah.
** Again, you are using deception, lies and misrepresenting the facts.**
He appointed a small group of the Sahaba (close friends of Prophet) to rewrite the Koran and left out those who heard the prophet and memorized what he said. This is why Ibn Massoud was angry, because he was one of the best men who memorized the Koran. He said that he took from the mouth of the prophet seventy suras of the Koran while Zaid Ibn Sabit was yet a young lad.
{b] Already answered above. You Shia bastard is implying that Quran was changed. A lie.**
5)BB: Do you reject that when Ibn Massoud objected to the burning of the other codices of the Koran, Uthman took him out of the mosque with violence, and struck him to the ground, and broke one of his ribs? (REFERENCE: The Great Sedition, pages 160,161,181,182 written by Dr. Taha Hussein , a well known author, college professor, and minister of education in Egypt.
** Bullshit.**
.
CONCLUSION: It is very clear that much of the original Koran was burned, while other parts were rewritten.
** SO WHY A REWRITTEN AND CHANGED QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR LIOES AND DECEPTION IS A PERFECT BOOK? CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT?
How can we reconcile these historical facts with the following words of the Koran?
** WHAT WE CRAP IS ALL ABOUT? SINCE WHEN YOU ARE ONE OF US?**
Nay, this is a Glorious Koran [inscribed] in a Tablet preserved (Sarat Al-Buru 85:21,22).
That this is indeed a Koran most honorable in a book well guarded ( Sarat Al-Waqiah 56:77,78).
If the Koran was inscribed in “a tablet preserved,” and in “a book well-guarded,” why was it necessary for Caliph Usman to rewrite the Koran?
{b} Listen birbbrain, you all don’t like first three Caliphs, you have proved that again. So what you are telling us? What is your point?**
How could he burn the other codices? Why were there other codices in the first place?
** These are complexed and delicate issues. You brain is not equipped to handle them. Find some other hobby.**
These are very serious questions regarding a book said to be God’s word.
** Not to me and i.5 billion Muslims. Talk to CNN they might interview you.**
Again, Bubble kindly not waste time blaming all who question as anti-Islam or, quoting from texts which have no relevance to the subject matter.
** Let me tell you why? Because a Muslim know that you are lying and will never question like that. If you are Muslim tell me the forms of Kufr? WE have posted here.A Muslim does explore facts without compromising his/her IMAAN.**
[This message has been edited by Ghazi (edited April 05, 2000).]
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
[This message has been edited by Ghazi (edited April 05, 2000).]
Roman,
That's O.K. ! No problem!!
I would like add here that you, Sir, are doing a terrific job!
The job of Religious Forum Moderator is a high stress job made worse by the verbal abuses hurled at everyone by the trio of Ghazi, BB and Irefragable.
I applaud you for doing such a good job!!
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[This message has been edited by Ghazi (edited April 05, 2000).]
Thank you, indeed, faceup.
Stop sucking him up. He is an *$$hole. But of cource being a Kafir he is a friend of Kafirs like you.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
Dear Ghazi,
I am exalted by you address (not to mention the spirtual turn on it gives me, but then that Kaffir NYAhmadi will start doing habibi hiya hiya again). I'm so glad that you consider me worthwhile to address me. I'm like totally charmed by your brotherhood.
BB & Ghazi - I have gone through your responses to my questions that were first outlined in the original thread:THE GLORIOUS QURAN.
As usual, you resorted to cursing and calling the research “LIES”. You call or immediately assume that I am Shia – where did I state my religion?
Maybe, you should ADMIT defeat and get your mullahs to answer these questions.
The book that was published did not receive the usual “FATWA” of violence as all and every questions raised about Islam does. In some macabre way – this makes a statement in itself.
You have dishonoured all faiths here on this forum:
Shia Islam, Ismaili Islam, Ahmedia Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and, claim that you are “a mister know it all” when in fact your knowledge about Islam itself is very narrow and self-serving. Any texts or traditions that contradict your faith is immediately dubbed “falsehood”. How long do you think this SHAM can go on?
BB: I shall list the question again and discuss your responses:
1)BB: Do you reject that during the Prophet’s (pbuh) life time, the Quran was never compiled into one volume, instead the Koran was written down on paper, on skin, on the branches of palm trees, on thin stone, on shoulders and side bones of animals and, mostly retained in memories of Prophets close friends (Sahaba)?
You agreed to the statement, but later contradict yourself in Q4!
You state:
"Preservation secured in multiple forms and manners including what you mentioned."
2)There were seven different versions of the holy text. Prophet Muhammad said in the Hadith: The Koran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510).
Your statement: "Noble Quran is devine, Ahadeeth are not divine. Keep this in mind."
BB: Again - there were 7 versions of the Quran and the Prophet's hadith is confirmed by a Sunni theologian. Are you, BB, now refuting Sahih-al Bukhari?
The question is - Where are those 7 original Qurans that the prophet commanded:
"so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510)."
3)You made a valid point that the Quran took 23 years to be delivered. OK - in that 23 years, the prophet never authorized or suggest that they be COMPILED or collected in format as delivered. Instead, it lay in multiple forms and manners - disorganized for 23 years.
The question here is:Why the message of Quran which is "supposedly the most simple message that any person could understand" took 23 years to deliver? Was God busy? One must raise this question and ponder about it!
4) BB: Do you reject that the collection of the Koran into a single volume was something Prophet Muhammad did not do or authorize?
Here you contradict yourself when you say:
"There is evidence that it was done in the life time of Prophet Muhammed. There is no proof of what you are talking about?"
Maybe you did NOT know what COMPILE means when you responded! The Quran was completed in prophet's lifetime but it was COMPILED/accumulated after prophet passed away. Refer to Q1.
5) BB:It was Caliph Omer who, after much discussion, persuaded Abu-Bakr to order the collection of the Koran. Hazrat Abu-Bakr ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit to do the job( reference:Al-Mush Al-Shareef, page 59,60).
Your response to this:
"It does not prove anything. You are purposely mixing apples and oranges here."
6)BB: Do you reject that when Caliph Usman took the caliphate, he was confronted by such confusion and sedition concerning the reading of the Koran in the different Islamic countries that he ordered it to be rewritten?
Your response:
"Non-sense and it is not true account."
7)BB: Usman ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit and three other men form Quraysh, Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubeer,Saeed Ibn El-Uss, and Abdelrahman Ibn Al-Harith Ibn Hesham, to rewrite the Koran.
Your response: "You are very selective to poison the issue by using the word re-write. Before press was invented, everything was re-written over and over again. Depends on its demand."
8) BB:It was Caliph Usman’s order to the scribes: " If you disagree with Zaid Ibn Sabit in anything of the Koran,write it in the language of Quraysh, because the Koran was revealed in the language of Quraysh." They did. (Al-Mushaf Al-Shareef, Pages 66,70).
Your response:
"Not true again same deceptive tactics are used by you."
9)BB: Do you reject that after Caliph Usman completed 'his Koran' he forced all the Islamic countries to have one Koran - and banned all other codices?
Your response:
"Damn lie and twisted account of events."
10) BB:He (Usman) finished the matter by BURNING all other codices (original copies) of the Koran. When Hazrat Usman banned whichever he banned from the Koran, and burned whichever he burned of it, he banned passages Allah has revealed and burned parts of the Koran which were given to the Muslims by the messenger of Allah.
Your response:
"Again, you are using deception, lies and misrepresenting the facts."
11)BB: He (Usman) appointed a small group of the Sahaba (close friends of Prophet) to rewrite the Koran and left out those who heard the prophet and memorized what he said. This is why Ibn Massoud was angry, because he was one of the best men who memorized the Koran. He said that he took from the mouth of the prophet seventy suras of the Koran while Zaid Ibn Sabit was yet a young lad.
Your response:
"Already answered above. You Shia bastard is implying that Quran was changed. A lie."
12)BB: Do you reject that when Ibn Massoud objected to the burning of the other codices of the Koran, Uthman took him out of the mosque with violence, and struck him to the ground, and broke one of his ribs? (REFERENCE: The Great Sedition, pages 160,161,181,182 written by Dr. Taha Hussein , a well known author, college professor, and minister of education in Egypt.
Your response:
"Bullshit."
13)It is very clear that much of the original Koran was burned, while other parts were rewritten.
Your response:
“SO WHY A REWRITTEN AND CHANGED QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION IS A PERFECT BOOK? CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT?”
14) BB: How can we reconcile these historical facts with the following words of the Koran?
Nay, this is a Glorious Koran [inscribed] in a Tablet preserved (Sarat Al-Buru 85:21,22).
That this is indeed a Koran most honorable in a book well guarded ( Sarat Al-Waqiah 56:77,78).
BB: If the Koran was inscribed in “a tablet preserved,” and in “a book well-guarded,” why was it necessary for Caliph Usman to rewrite the Koran?
Your response:
“Listen birdbrain, you all don’t like first three Caliphs, you have proved that again. So what you are telling us? What is your point?”
BB: Again, instead of responding you again resort to what you do best!
15) BB: How could he (Usman) burn the other codices? Why were there other codices in the first place?
Your response:
“These are complexed and delicate issues. You brain is not equipped to handle them. Find some other hobby.”
BB: Previously-you refuted all mention of other codices as ‘lies’, ‘shia-plot’; now you seem to be accepting its existence – INTERESTING.
16) BB: These are very serious questions (raised in Q 1-15) regarding a book said to be God’s word.
Your response:
“Not to me and 1.5 billion Muslims. Talk to CNN they might interview you.”
17) BB: Again, Bubble kindly not waste time blaming all who question as anti-Islam or, quoting from texts which have no relevance to the subject matter.
Your response:
“Let me tell you why? Because a Muslim know that you are lying and will never question like that. If you are Muslim tell me the forms of Kufr? WE have posted here.A Muslim does explore facts without compromising his/her IMAAN.”
Finally, it is CLEAR that you are beat/defeated. You blindly follow mullahs & ulemas who instil hate for others and claim that to be a message of God. Imagine – God instructing to hate & kill his fellow creations! Naujabillah !!!
faceup:
Despite of the Kufr you have been spewing you claim to be Muslim. My questions are:
1) What do you think IMAAN is?
2) What are the arakaan of Imaan?
3) What is Kufr?
4) What do you know about types of Kufr?
5) How a book written centuries after Quran can take precedent over a divine scripture?
6) If the Quran was changed and rewritten can you prove errors and contradictions in Quran?
7) Do you agree that a human cannot write a perfect book?
8) How you explain the scientific and astronomical facts in Noble Quran an alleged re-written book according to you that are discovered by modern science now? Whose work is that? Which Caliph has that knowledge over 14 centuries ago?
9) If actual Quran does not exist according to you, why so why are you still Muslim?
10) What is your Imaan?
11) How you have modified your Imaan?
12) How do you know that your Imaan is correct in the absence of actual Quran?
13) You still want to use false accusations and claim to be Muslim?
14) How can you claim to be a Muslim when according to you Quran does not exist?
15) How you can be one of us having a totally different belief?
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
[quote]
Originally posted by faceup:
**BB & Ghazi - I have gone through your responses to my questions that were first outlined in the original thread:THE GLORIOUS QURAN.
As usual, you resorted to cursing and calling the research “LIES”. You call or immediately assume that I am Shia – where did I state my religion?
Maybe, you should ADMIT defeat and get your mullahs to answer these questions.
The book that was published did not receive the usual “FATWA” of violence as all and every questions raised about Islam does. In some macabre way – this makes a statement in itself.
You have dishonoured all faiths here on this forum:
Shia Islam, Ismaili Islam, Ahmedia Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and, claim that you are “a mister know it all” when in fact your knowledge about Islam itself is very narrow and self-serving. Any texts or traditions that contradict your faith is immediately dubbed “falsehood”. How long do you think this SHAM can go on?
BB: I shall list the question again and discuss your responses:
1)BB: Do you reject that during the Prophet’s (pbuh) life time, the Quran was never compiled into one volume, instead the Koran was written down on paper, on skin, on the branches of palm trees, on thin stone, on shoulders and side bones of animals and, mostly retained in memories of Prophets close friends (Sahaba)?
You agreed to the statement, but later contradict yourself in Q4!
You state:
"Preservation secured in multiple forms and manners including what you mentioned."
2)There were seven different versions of the holy text. Prophet Muhammad said in the Hadith: The Koran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510).
Your statement: "Noble Quran is devine, Ahadeeth are not divine. Keep this in mind."
BB: Again - there were 7 versions of the Quran and the Prophet's hadith is confirmed by a Sunni theologian. Are you, BB, now refuting Sahih-al Bukhari?
The question is - Where are those 7 original Qurans that the prophet commanded:
"so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510)."
3)You made a valid point that the Quran took 23 years to be delivered. OK - in that 23 years, the prophet never authorized or suggest that they be COMPILED or collected in format as delivered. Instead, it lay in multiple forms and manners - disorganized for 23 years.
The question here is:Why the message of Quran which is "supposedly the most simple message that any person could understand" took 23 years to deliver? Was God busy? One must raise this question and ponder about it!
4) BB: Do you reject that the collection of the Koran into a single volume was something Prophet Muhammad did not do or authorize?
Here you contradict yourself when you say:
"There is evidence that it was done in the life time of Prophet Muhammed. There is no proof of what you are talking about?"
Maybe you did NOT know what COMPILE means when you responded! The Quran was completed in prophet's lifetime but it was COMPILED/accumulated after prophet passed away. Refer to Q1.
5) BB:It was Caliph Omer who, after much discussion, persuaded Abu-Bakr to order the collection of the Koran. Hazrat Abu-Bakr ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit to do the job( reference:Al-Mush Al-Shareef, page 59,60).
Your response to this:
"It does not prove anything. You are purposely mixing apples and oranges here."
6)BB: Do you reject that when Caliph Usman took the caliphate, he was confronted by such confusion and sedition concerning the reading of the Koran in the different Islamic countries that he ordered it to be rewritten?
Your response:
"Non-sense and it is not true account."
7)BB: Usman ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit and three other men form Quraysh, Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubeer,Saeed Ibn El-Uss, and Abdelrahman Ibn Al-Harith Ibn Hesham, to rewrite the Koran.
Your response: "You are very selective to poison the issue by using the word re-write. Before press was invented, everything was re-written over and over again. Depends on its demand."
8) BB:It was Caliph Usman’s order to the scribes: " If you disagree with Zaid Ibn Sabit in anything of the Koran,write it in the language of Quraysh, because the Koran was revealed in the language of Quraysh." They did. (Al-Mushaf Al-Shareef, Pages 66,70).
Your response:
"Not true again same deceptive tactics are used by you."
9)BB: Do you reject that after Caliph Usman completed 'his Koran' he forced all the Islamic countries to have one Koran - and banned all other codices?
Your response:
"Damn lie and twisted account of events."
10) BB:He (Usman) finished the matter by BURNING all other codices (original copies) of the Koran. When Hazrat Usman banned whichever he banned from the Koran, and burned whichever he burned of it, he banned passages Allah has revealed and burned parts of the Koran which were given to the Muslims by the messenger of Allah.
Your response:
"Again, you are using deception, lies and misrepresenting the facts."
11)BB: He (Usman) appointed a small group of the Sahaba (close friends of Prophet) to rewrite the Koran and left out those who heard the prophet and memorized what he said. This is why Ibn Massoud was angry, because he was one of the best men who memorized the Koran. He said that he took from the mouth of the prophet seventy suras of the Koran while Zaid Ibn Sabit was yet a young lad.
Your response:
"Already answered above. You Shia bastard is implying that Quran was changed. A lie."
12)BB: Do you reject that when Ibn Massoud objected to the burning of the other codices of the Koran, Uthman took him out of the mosque with violence, and struck him to the ground, and broke one of his ribs? (REFERENCE: The Great Sedition, pages 160,161,181,182 written by Dr. Taha Hussein , a well known author, college professor, and minister of education in Egypt.
Your response:
"Bullshit."
13)It is very clear that much of the original Koran was burned, while other parts were rewritten.
Your response:
“SO WHY A REWRITTEN AND CHANGED QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION IS A PERFECT BOOK? CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT?”
14) BB: How can we reconcile these historical facts with the following words of the Koran?
Nay, this is a Glorious Koran [inscribed] in a Tablet preserved (Sarat Al-Buru 85:21,22).
That this is indeed a Koran most honorable in a book well guarded ( Sarat Al-Waqiah 56:77,78).
BB: If the Koran was inscribed in “a tablet preserved,” and in “a book well-guarded,” why was it necessary for Caliph Usman to rewrite the Koran?
Your response:
“Listen birdbrain, you all don’t like first three Caliphs, you have proved that again. So what you are telling us? What is your point?”
BB: Again, instead of responding you again resort to what you do best!
15) BB: How could he (Usman) burn the other codices? Why were there other codices in the first place?
Your response:
“These are complexed and delicate issues. You brain is not equipped to handle them. Find some other hobby.”
BB: Previously-you refuted all mention of other codices as ‘lies’, ‘shia-plot’; now you seem to be accepting its existence – INTERESTING.
16) BB: These are very serious questions (raised in Q 1-15) regarding a book said to be God’s word.
Your response:
“Not to me and 1.5 billion Muslims. Talk to CNN they might interview you.”
17) BB: Again, Bubble kindly not waste time blaming all who question as anti-Islam or, quoting from texts which have no relevance to the subject matter.
Your response:
“Let me tell you why? Because a Muslim know that you are lying and will never question like that. If you are Muslim tell me the forms of Kufr? WE have posted here.A Muslim does explore facts without compromising his/her IMAAN.”
Finally, it is CLEAR that you are beat/defeated. You blindly follow mullahs & ulemas who instil hate for others and claim that to be a message of God. Imagine – God instructing to hate & kill his fellow creations! Naujabillah !!!**
[/quote]
After repeating your tautological rhetoric again, you still insist that you are a Muslim. YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER. No one follows anyone, you got any proof of that? The difference between you and I are:
I am a Muslim and you are not.
I have read Quran, and you have'nt.
You did not prove anything and you cannot prove anything.
You are a KAFIR and speaking for Kuffar.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
[This message has been edited by Ghazi (edited April 06, 2000).]
[quote]
Originally posted by faceup:
**BB & Ghazi - I have gone through your responses to my questions that were first outlined in the original thread:THE GLORIOUS QURAN.
As usual, you resorted to cursing and calling the research “LIES”. You call or immediately assume that I am Shia – where did I state my religion?
Maybe, you should ADMIT defeat and get your mullahs to answer these questions.
The book that was published did not receive the usual “FATWA” of violence as all and every questions raised about Islam does. In some macabre way – this makes a statement in itself.
You have dishonoured all faiths here on this forum:
Shia Islam, Ismaili Islam, Ahmedia Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and, claim that you are “a mister know it all” when in fact your knowledge about Islam itself is very narrow and self-serving. Any texts or traditions that contradict your faith is immediately dubbed “falsehood”. How long do you think this SHAM can go on?
BB: I shall list the question again and discuss your responses:
1)BB: Do you reject that during the Prophet’s (pbuh) life time, the Quran was never compiled into one volume, instead the Koran was written down on paper, on skin, on the branches of palm trees, on thin stone, on shoulders and side bones of animals and, mostly retained in memories of Prophets close friends (Sahaba)?
You agreed to the statement, but later contradict yourself in Q4!
You state:
"Preservation secured in multiple forms and manners including what you mentioned."
2)There were seven different versions of the holy text. Prophet Muhammad said in the Hadith: The Koran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510).
Your statement: "Noble Quran is devine, Ahadeeth are not divine. Keep this in mind."
BB: Again - there were 7 versions of the Quran and the Prophet's hadith is confirmed by a Sunni theologian. Are you, BB, now refuting Sahih-al Bukhari?
The question is - Where are those 7 original Qurans that the prophet commanded:
"so recite of it that which is easier for you (Sahih-al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, page 510)."
3)You made a valid point that the Quran took 23 years to be delivered. OK - in that 23 years, the prophet never authorized or suggest that they be COMPILED or collected in format as delivered. Instead, it lay in multiple forms and manners - disorganized for 23 years.
The question here is:Why the message of Quran which is "supposedly the most simple message that any person could understand" took 23 years to deliver? Was God busy? One must raise this question and ponder about it!
4) BB: Do you reject that the collection of the Koran into a single volume was something Prophet Muhammad did not do or authorize?
Here you contradict yourself when you say:
"There is evidence that it was done in the life time of Prophet Muhammed. There is no proof of what you are talking about?"
Maybe you did NOT know what COMPILE means when you responded! The Quran was completed in prophet's lifetime but it was COMPILED/accumulated after prophet passed away. Refer to Q1.
5) BB:It was Caliph Omer who, after much discussion, persuaded Abu-Bakr to order the collection of the Koran. Hazrat Abu-Bakr ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit to do the job( reference:Al-Mush Al-Shareef, page 59,60).
Your response to this:
"It does not prove anything. You are purposely mixing apples and oranges here."
6)BB: Do you reject that when Caliph Usman took the caliphate, he was confronted by such confusion and sedition concerning the reading of the Koran in the different Islamic countries that he ordered it to be rewritten?
Your response:
"Non-sense and it is not true account."
7)BB: Usman ordered Zaid Ibn Sabit and three other men form Quraysh, Abdullah Ibn Al-Zubeer,Saeed Ibn El-Uss, and Abdelrahman Ibn Al-Harith Ibn Hesham, to rewrite the Koran.
Your response: "You are very selective to poison the issue by using the word re-write. Before press was invented, everything was re-written over and over again. Depends on its demand."
8) BB:It was Caliph Usman’s order to the scribes: " If you disagree with Zaid Ibn Sabit in anything of the Koran,write it in the language of Quraysh, because the Koran was revealed in the language of Quraysh." They did. (Al-Mushaf Al-Shareef, Pages 66,70).
Your response:
"Not true again same deceptive tactics are used by you."
9)BB: Do you reject that after Caliph Usman completed 'his Koran' he forced all the Islamic countries to have one Koran - and banned all other codices?
Your response:
"Damn lie and twisted account of events."
10) BB:He (Usman) finished the matter by BURNING all other codices (original copies) of the Koran. When Hazrat Usman banned whichever he banned from the Koran, and burned whichever he burned of it, he banned passages Allah has revealed and burned parts of the Koran which were given to the Muslims by the messenger of Allah.
Your response:
"Again, you are using deception, lies and misrepresenting the facts."
11)BB: He (Usman) appointed a small group of the Sahaba (close friends of Prophet) to rewrite the Koran and left out those who heard the prophet and memorized what he said. This is why Ibn Massoud was angry, because he was one of the best men who memorized the Koran. He said that he took from the mouth of the prophet seventy suras of the Koran while Zaid Ibn Sabit was yet a young lad.
Your response:
"Already answered above. You Shia bastard is implying that Quran was changed. A lie."
12)BB: Do you reject that when Ibn Massoud objected to the burning of the other codices of the Koran, Uthman took him out of the mosque with violence, and struck him to the ground, and broke one of his ribs? (REFERENCE: The Great Sedition, pages 160,161,181,182 written by Dr. Taha Hussein , a well known author, college professor, and minister of education in Egypt.
Your response:
"Bullshit."
13)It is very clear that much of the original Koran was burned, while other parts were rewritten.
Your response:
“SO WHY A REWRITTEN AND CHANGED QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION IS A PERFECT BOOK? CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT?”
14) BB: How can we reconcile these historical facts with the following words of the Koran?
Nay, this is a Glorious Koran [inscribed] in a Tablet preserved (Sarat Al-Buru 85:21,22).
That this is indeed a Koran most honorable in a book well guarded ( Sarat Al-Waqiah 56:77,78).
BB: If the Koran was inscribed in “a tablet preserved,” and in “a book well-guarded,” why was it necessary for Caliph Usman to rewrite the Koran?
Your response:
“Listen birdbrain, you all don’t like first three Caliphs, you have proved that again. So what you are telling us? What is your point?”
BB: Again, instead of responding you again resort to what you do best!
15) BB: How could he (Usman) burn the other codices? Why were there other codices in the first place?
Your response:
“These are complexed and delicate issues. You brain is not equipped to handle them. Find some other hobby.”
BB: Previously-you refuted all mention of other codices as ‘lies’, ‘shia-plot’; now you seem to be accepting its existence – INTERESTING.
16) BB: These are very serious questions (raised in Q 1-15) regarding a book said to be God’s word.
Your response:
“Not to me and 1.5 billion Muslims. Talk to CNN they might interview you.”
17) BB: Again, Bubble kindly not waste time blaming all who question as anti-Islam or, quoting from texts which have no relevance to the subject matter.
Your response:
“Let me tell you why? Because a Muslim know that you are lying and will never question like that. If you are Muslim tell me the forms of Kufr? WE have posted here.A Muslim does explore facts without compromising his/her IMAAN.”
Finally, it is CLEAR that you are beat/defeated. You blindly follow mullahs & ulemas who instil hate for others and claim that to be a message of God. Imagine – God instructing to hate & kill his fellow creations! Naujabillah !!!**
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After repeating your tautological rhetoric again, you still insist that you are a Muslim. YOU ARE AN IMPOSTER. No one follows anyone, you got any proof of that? The difference between you and I are:
I am a Muslim and you are not.
I have read Quran, and you have'nt.
You did not prove anything and you cannot prove anything.
You are a KAFIR and speraking for Kuffar.
You have no clue how to debate?
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!